From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #289 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, December 31 2005 Volume 05 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Wolf Creek and King Kong (spoilers?) ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] Wolf Creek and King Kong (spoilers?) ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 ["Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wolf Creek and King Kong (spoilers?) This is Peter Jackson you're talking about. The first version of the DVD will be the theatrical release. Three months later it will be followed by the 3-disc, 7-hour director's cut with previews of the upcoming remakes of "Mighty Joe Young" and "Son Of Kong". - --- robert toren wrote: > And King Kong is an hour too long - every action sequence goes on for twice as long as > necessary; Jack Black is miscast (too much of a comedian), Naoimi Watts has one > expression she uses throughout; there're few (no?) real "horror" moments (in the > original Kong, the brontosaurus chasing a screaming man up a tree is nightmarish, as is > Kong's first tree-snapping silhouetted appearance), too much is played played for > laughs - even many of the Jungle deaths (s-squish! - ha ha ha) - I was willing to cut > Jackson a mile of slack for doing so well with the Ring Trilogy, but I think he was > self-indulgent and blew it. Kong himself is so "well done", there's no sense of awe. > Wait for the DVD. I await the re-edited two-hour Web version. > Just had to say it, > Getting old and cranky, > Robert __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:55:52 +0100 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 Some more for the big list. Lester Young - Gutterball I'm guessing Dream Syndicate's - John Coltrane Stereo Blues doesn't count. Baudelaire - ...Trail of Dead (but I can't remember if it's about him) Sun Ra - dEUS Roy Rogers - Elton John (didn't he sing on horseback? I'm far too young to remember!) Cole Porter - Graeme Downs (not about him, but trying to be like him) D. Boon - Uncle Tupelo Grant Hart - Posies Julian H. Cope - Julian Cope Rick James - Lemonheads (I think!?) Acuff-Rose - Uncle Tupelo (didn't they perform before the publishing took over?) And a couple of almosts Song for Bob Dylan - David Bowie Let's save Tony Orlando's house - Yo La Tengo! On the subject of Arcade Fire's Funeral, I too was wondering about the release date as all the copyright dates are 2004, but the info sheet inside has a photo on the front cover dated February 2005!? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:23:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 On 12/30/05, Richard Blatherwick wrote: > On the subject of Arcade Fire's Funeral, I too was wondering about the > release date as all the copyright dates are 2004, but the info sheet inside > has a photo on the front cover dated February 2005!? It must have been reissued, I guess. All I know is I remember hearing a lot about it in 2004 - to the extent that for a while it was hard to find, as Merge couldn't press enough copies to keep up with demand. And my year-end wrap-up blog entry that mentions the album is dated 12/31/04, so I know it at least existed then. Someone phone Fox Mulder (I'd use a more contemporary reference but I don't know what's on TV anymore). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:42:43 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 At Friday 12/30/2005 09:23 AM, 2fs wrote: >On 12/30/05, Richard Blatherwick wrote: > > > On the subject of Arcade Fire's Funeral, I too was wondering about the > > release date as all the copyright dates are 2004, but the info sheet inside > > has a photo on the front cover dated February 2005!? > >It must have been reissued, I guess. All I know is I remember hearing >a lot about it in 2004 - to the extent that for a while it was hard to >find, as Merge couldn't press enough copies to keep up with demand. >And my year-end wrap-up blog entry that mentions the album is dated >12/31/04, so I know it at least existed then. > >Someone phone Fox Mulder (I'd use a more contemporary reference but I >don't know what's on TV anymore). I'd go with the reissue theory. I bought my copy of FUNERAL on 12/4/04 after hearing the buzz for a month or two. I bought more copies and gave it to people for Christmas 2004. I put a song from it on my year-end Best Of 2004 mix CD. It's a 2004 release. But I suppose I'll allow people to put it on their Best of 2005 lists, since I put the first New Pornographers disc on my Best of 2001 list even though it came out in Nov 2000. I didn't hear it until April 2001. Latre. --Rog - -- FlasshePoint, yet another blog among millions: http://www.flasshe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:17:17 -0800 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:23:58 -0800, 2fs wrote: > On 12/30/05, Richard Blatherwick wrote: > >> On the subject of Arcade Fire's Funeral, I too was wondering about the >> release date as all the copyright dates are 2004, but the info sheet >> inside >> has a photo on the front cover dated February 2005!? > > It must have been reissued, I guess. The album was originally released by Merge in September 2004, and then released (NOT reissued) by Rough Trade in the UK in February 2005. Which is a way of saying that people from outside of the US should feel free to list FUNERAL on their best-of-2005 lists without fear of harassment. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:43:48 -0500 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wolf Creek and King Kong (spoilers?) > And King Kong is an hour too long - every action sequence goes on for > twice as long as necessary; Jack Black is miscast (too much of a comedian), > Naoimi Watts has one expression she uses throughout; there're few (no?) real > "horror" moments (in the original Kong, the brontosaurus chasing a screaming > man up a tree is nightmarish, as is Kong's first tree-snapping silhouetted > appearance), too much is played played for laughs - even many of the Jungle > deaths (s-squish! - ha ha ha) - I was willing to cut Jackson a mile of slack > for doing so well with the Ring Trilogy, but I think he was self-indulgent > and blew it. Kong himself is so "well done", there's no sense of awe. > Wait for the DVD. I await the re-edited two-hour Web version. > Just had to say it, > Getting old and cranky, I really liked the new King Kong and didn't feel that a moment was wasted. I thought Jack Black was excellent in the roll - he made the filmmaker's monomania believable to me in a way that I think few other actors could. I found Naomi Watts enchanting and felt she helped make the film, especially the final scenes, surprisingly moving. I don't think that this Kong was intended to be a horror movie. It seems to have taken the subtext of the original movie - technology v the natural world - and made it the focus of the film. Since, in 2005, we have a different understanding of the effect that tech has had on our world. Kong is no longer a figure of horror but, in a very real sense, a doomed and tragic figure. Jackson knows that we know the story already and is asking us to look at it from a different perspective. Indeed, Kong doesn't seem to be so much a horror movie as an action/romance. Watched from this perspective the movie is, IMO, a triumph. Now, if you want to see a real stinker, the 1970's Kong remake (featuring a gorilla that is obviously a man in a suit and some of the cheesiest sets in history) is being shown on American movie classics this week. The scene where a lust filled Kong bathes and undresses Jessica Lange is especially dreadful. "I just don't think this is going to work out between us, Kong." She says that - or something very much like it. That was a film that was too long by its entire running length. Of course, I really like long movies, so please take my opinions with the appropriate grain of salt. R. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 And then there's Icehouse - "Icehouse" from ICEHOUSE Of course, the band was originally called Flowers, and they originally issued this album under the "Flowers" name in Australia. But I guess the allure of the trifecta was too strong, so they changed their name to Icehouse for the American release of the album. Mike "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: Black Sabbath - "Black Sabbath" from BLACK SABBATH Art In America - "Art In America" from ART IN AMERICA Sue really digs those trifectas - artist, song, and album the same. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:00:42 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 On 12/30/05, Mike Curley wrote: > And then there's > > Icehouse - "Icehouse" from ICEHOUSE > > Of course, the band was originally called Flowers, and they originally issued this album under the "Flowers" name in Australia. But I guess the allure of the trifecta was too strong, so they changed their name to Icehouse for the American release of the album. Moving in the opposite direction, we have "Warsaw" by Warsaw on the album _Warsaw_...the band that, of course, later changed their name to Joy Division. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:19:40 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 In a message dated 12/29/2005 11:04:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, srgordon@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU writes: My dream job is to be the person who picks songs for indie films. Not sure how one gets that job, but let me know if you hear of an opening. If you are serious, I suggest you move back to L.A. and volunteer in the music library at KCRW, work your way up to DJ and....VOILA.....a la Gary Calamar.....Liza Richardson ....Thomas Golubic........and....Chris Douridas........you get to be a.....music supervisor on some really big films, indie and otherwise. Really, the reliability of this path is uncanny. See, i.e., _: SUPERMUSICVISION BIOS:_ (http://www.supermusicvision.com/bios/about.html) John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:09:36 +0100 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best of 2005 Lester Young - Gutterball I'm guessing Dream Syndicate's - John Coltrane Stereo Blues doesn't count. Baudelaire - ...Trail of Dead (but I can't remember if it's about him) Sun Ra - dEUS Roy Rogers - Elton John (didn't he sing on horseback? I'm far too young to remember!) Cole Porter - Graeme Downs (not about him, but trying to be like him) D. Boon - Uncle Tupelo Grant Hart - Posies Julian H. Cope - Julian Cope Rick James - Lemonheads (I think!?) Acuff-Rose - Uncle Tupelo (didn't they perform before the publishing took over?) And a couple of almosts Song for Bob Dylan - David Bowie Let's save Tony Orlando's house - Yo La Tengo! ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #289 *******************************