From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #266 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, November 29 2005 Volume 05 : Number 266 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] A "simple" technical matter in Flash/Jake Holmes [Steve ] [loud-fans] Re: John's Mix [basher132 ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: John's Mix [AWeiss4338@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:46:20 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A "simple" technical matter in Flash/Jake Holmes > Shame on Led Zeppelin for not giving credit to Holmes for > "Dazed and Confused"! I first heard Holmes' "Dazed And Confused" on a Rhino Nuggets comp in the mid-80s and was astounded that he wasn't credited on Zeppelin's version. Here's a two-part article on Perfect Sound Forever, outlining in academic detail what Led Zeppelin songs were ripped off from whom. http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html http://www.furious.com/perfect/yardbirds2.html In another way, this wouldn't be an issue if these records didn't sell 10 million copies. Stealing other people's songs is a part of the folk/blues tradition, and it only really becomes an issue when you make tons of money off them. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:06:51 GMT From: basher132 Subject: [loud-fans] Re: John's Mix On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:46:07 EST, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > John Bartlett sent me this very good mix. > Thanks for that, Andrea. First, this.... 21 Church of Women, XTC, This is a bit of > a relief from all the power pop I am aware that my mixes sometimes vary only in the amount of bounce each track has. I suspect it's because I work nights, and need something singalong in the car on the way home in the morning to keep me awake. More variety next time. > > 1 I Canbt Go Wrong, The Lolas > Very nice flowing, melodic catchy power pop > 2 The Geeks Get The Girls American Hi Fi, This is wonderful. > Mainstream power pop, melodic, catchy, this is what I want in a pop > song. > 3 Payback, Eytan Mirsky, This is good indie power pop, same > adjectives apply . 4 I Will Survive, Cake I can take or leave this > band, and this cover is one Ibd leave. I like the original > somewhat, but this cover plods, and just doesnbt go anywhere. > 5 Human Touch, Elvis Costello, Love it. I like the way he succeeds > at ska. 6 Life Will be The Death of Me, The Ordinary Boys, melodic > stomper, cheery is a sour way. Like it a lot. > 7 Hit Me Again, Neon , pop with a lot of power. Good harmonies. > Cool. 8 The Referees Alphabet, Half Man Half Biscuit, A ref recites > the sporting alphabet of everything he encounters during a soccer > and/or cricket game. Very good, fun, and funny folk/rock. Wouldn't be the same without a HMHB track. 9 > Blithering Heights, KC Bowman, a little more rocking > singer/songwriter than true power pop, and I like it, a little > folk, a little rock, but more rock than folk. 10 Ibm Down, The > Popdudes, The Beatles go pop punk, and a great cover. I like the > way the singer screams. Who is this band, Ibve never heard of them? Thay are an ad hoc sort of band that come together for the International Pop Overthrow festivals that take place across the States ( and for the past 2 years, in the Cavern Club in Liverpool. I know that the Sparklejets UK lead guy Mike Simmons is involved, but I don't know the other members. From the IPO vol. 8 compilation. > 11 Town Bike, Liquor Giants, a march and also a chant. Cool indie > pop. 12 Pressure Drop, The Specials, A fantastic cover, ska of > course, of one of my favorite reggae songs. I love the singers, a > happily ominous warning of doom. 13 I Hang On, Melony, Ibve heard > this before, and canbt recall where, but I also remember liking > this great power pop song. Itbs fun, melodic, flowing, all of what > makes a good pop song. I probably put it on the last disc I sent you.... 14 The Weakest Shade Of Blue, Pernice > Brothers, every songs Ibve heard from this band Ibve liked, and > this is no exception. More rock then Ibve heard from them, and this > swoops nicely from one melody line to another. I can't get the hang of the P. Bros. I should love them to death, but I can't get into them. This on the other hand, I think is magnificent. Perhaps it's because I'm approaching 40, and can understand the desperation of wanting to feel 1st love again, or behaving like a teen again, before it all gets too late. Or something. 15 Girls Like You, > Smoothy, Any song with a good melody, good singing, fun lyrics, and > rocks I will listen to and usually like. This one is all of the > above. 16 Heavy Heart, You Am I, Folk music, rather gloomy, and > romantic, but thatbs what I like about it. My fave Aussie band. I like the idea of having "an all- day- morning hairdo", mainly because I have very little left 17 My before and After, > Cotton Mather, I have the album this song comes from, and I bought > it for this song. Ibd play this for someone who wanted to know what > a good modern pop song was. 18 The Bastion of the Teenage, > Garfields Birthday More melodic pop, more folk/rock than power pop. > I like this kind of pop too. > 19 Goody Goody Gumdrops, Reciever Goofy lyrics, fun pop, I like the > drummer on this song. 20 Switch It On, Steve Ward, so long as > people can write a good melody, and can sing pretty well, there > will be a never ending supply of pop songs, especially when the > subject is romance. This song is one of them, for all the reasons > above, and I do like it. 21 Church of Women, XTC, This is a bit of > a relief from all the power pop. More experimental, angular, and > off center than the straightforward songs on here. A nice change of > pace. What album is this on? It's on Wasp Star. No Black Sea perhaps, but a very respectable effort from two guys in middle age. 22 Have You Seen Mary, no group name > given here, but who ever this is good. Gentle, folk based pop, more > soft rock than power pop. This would be good for late night > listening. Whoops. This is by a Swedish group called Eggstone, from the LP In San Diego 23 Little Deedra, The Lolas, The moirC) I hear this band, > the more I like them. What albums(s) are these two songs from. A > great stomp, from both drums and bass. Cool guitar solo. Bouncy > pop. The Lolas are my current musical loves . This track is from Something You Oughta Know, which I highly recommend, whilst the 1st track is from Silver Dollar Sunday 24 I Want A 1,000,000 For Xmas, The Andersons. I would too! > The perfect way to end the mix, a hard charging pop song. Thanks very much for the review, Andrea. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:16:37 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: John's Mix Thanks for that, Andrea. First, this.... You're welcome. 21 Church of Women, XTC, This is a bit of > a relief from all the power pop I am aware that my mixes sometimes vary only in the amount of bounce each track has. I suspect it's because I work nights, and need something singalong in the car on the way home in the morning to keep me awake. More variety next time. This certainly would keep me awake. > > 1 I Canbt Go Wrong, The Lolas > Very nice flowing, melodic catchy power pop > 2 The Geeks Get The Girls American Hi Fi, This is wonderful. > Mainstream power pop, melodic, catchy, this is what I want in a pop > song. > 3 Payback, Eytan Mirsky, This is good indie power pop, same > adjectives apply . 4 I Will Survive, Cake I can take or leave this > band, and this cover is one Ibd leave. I like the original > somewhat, but this cover plods, and just doesnbt go anywhere. > 5 Human Touch, Elvis Costello, Love it. I like the way he succeeds > at ska. 6 Life Will be The Death of Me, The Ordinary Boys, melodic > stomper, cheery is a sour way. Like it a lot. > 7 Hit Me Again, Neon , pop with a lot of power. Good harmonies. > Cool. 8 The Referees Alphabet, Half Man Half Biscuit, A ref recites > the sporting alphabet of everything he encounters during a soccer > and/or cricket game. Very good, fun, and funny folk/rock. Wouldn't be the same without a HMHB track. I see. 9 > Blithering Heights, KC Bowman, a little more rocking > singer/songwriter than true power pop, and I like it, a little > folk, a little rock, but more rock than folk. 10 Ibm Down, The > Popdudes, The Beatles go pop punk, and a great cover. I like the > way the singer screams. Who is this band, Ibve never heard of them? Thay are an ad hoc sort of band that come together for the International Pop Overthrow festivals that take place across the States ( and for the past 2 years, in the Cavern Club in Liverpool. I know that the Sparklejets UK lead guy Mike Simmons is involved, but I don't know the other members. From the IPO vol. 8 compilation. Cool. I'll have to hunt up the album. I should have remember their name form the adds I saw for the festivals. > 11 Town Bike, Liquor Giants, a march and also a chant. Cool indie > pop. 12 Pressure Drop, The Specials, A fantastic cover, ska of > course, of one of my favorite reggae songs. I love the singers, a > happily ominous warning of doom. 13 I Hang On, Melony, Ibve heard > this before, and canbt recall where, but I also remember liking > this great power pop song. Itbs fun, melodic, flowing, all of what > makes a good pop song. I probably put it on the last disc I sent you.... That maybe is where I heard it then. 14 The Weakest Shade Of Blue, Pernice > Brothers, every songs Ibve heard from this band Ibve liked, and > this is no exception. More rock then Ibve heard from them, and this > swoops nicely from one melody line to another. I can't get the hang of the P. Bros. I should love them to death, but I can't get into them. This on the other hand, I think is magnificent. Perhaps it's because I'm approaching 40, and can understand the desperation of wanting to feel 1st love again, or behaving like a teen again, before it all gets too late. Or something. I've only heard a few songs by them, but I would agree about this one. It's certainly the best I've heard from them. 15 Girls Like You, > Smoothy, Any song with a good melody, good singing, fun lyrics, and > rocks I will listen to and usually like. This one is all of the > above. 16 Heavy Heart, You Am I, Folk music, rather gloomy, and > romantic, but thatbs what I like about it. My fave Aussie band. I like the idea of having "an all- day- morning hairdo", mainly because I have very little left I'll have to see if I can find something by YAI too. 17 My before and After, > Cotton Mather, I have the album this song comes from, and I bought > it for this song. Ibd play this for someone who wanted to know what > a good modern pop song was. 18 The Bastion of the Teenage, > Garfields Birthday More melodic pop, more folk/rock than power pop. > I like this kind of pop too. > 19 Goody Goody Gumdrops, Reciever Goofy lyrics, fun pop, I like the > drummer on this song. 20 Switch It On, Steve Ward, so long as > people can write a good melody, and can sing pretty well, there > will be a never ending supply of pop songs, especially when the > subject is romance. This song is one of them, for all the reasons > above, and I do like it. 21 Church of Women, XTC, This is a bit of > a relief from all the power pop. More experimental, angular, and > off center than the straightforward songs on here. A nice change of > pace. What album is this on? It's on Wasp Star. No Black Sea perhaps, but a very respectable effort from two guys in middle age. Thanks. I agree. 22 Have You Seen Mary, no group name > given here, but who ever this is good. Gentle, folk based pop, more > soft rock than power pop. This would be good for late night > listening. Whoops. This is by a Swedish group called Eggstone, from the LP In San Diego I've heard Eggstone before, but not in a long time. I did like what I've heard of them before. 23 Little Deedra, The Lolas, The moirC) I hear this band, > the more I like them. What albums(s) are these two songs from. A > great stomp, from both drums and bass. Cool guitar solo. Bouncy > pop. The Lolas are my current musical loves . This track is from Something You Oughta Know, which I highly recommend, whilst the 1st track is from Silver Dollar Sunday I'll have to see if my local record store has it. 24 I Want A 1,000,000 For Xmas, The Andersons. I would too! > The perfect way to end the mix, a hard charging pop song. Thanks very much for the review, Andrea. You're welcome. Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #266 *******************************