From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #184 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 30 2005 Volume 05 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] RSS question ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Always fun ["Bill Carter" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Bill Carter" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Stewart Mason" ] RE: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Bill Carter" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Steve Holtebeck" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [pking123@sympatico.ca] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Always fun [Roger Winston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] RSS question Say I wanted to offer, as an RSS feed, the top story in 10 other RSS feeds. Is there an easy way to do that? If so, how? Answers offline. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:03:36 -0400 From: "Bill Carter" Subject: [loud-fans] Always fun Another "100 Worst" list http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ Regards, Bill Carter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:08:57 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Carter" > Another "100 Worst" list > > > http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ Lame indeed. Making fun of Limp Bizkit? My, what a courageous and provocative stand! S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:29:47 -0400 From: "Bill Carter" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun Uh, you've got your panties in a twist because Limp Bizkit shows up on a list of the 100 worst songs ever? Sentimental favorites of yours, are they? My, what a courageous and provocative defense! B >>> "Stewart Mason" 7/29/2005 5:08:57 PM >>> - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Carter" > Another "100 Worst" list > > > http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ Lame indeed. Making fun of Limp Bizkit? My, what a courageous and provocative stand! S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:43:00 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Carter" > Uh, you've got your panties in a twist because Limp Bizkit shows up > on a > list of the 100 worst songs ever? Sentimental favorites of yours, > are > they? No, more along the lines of "Gee! Limp Bizkit were exceptionally lame? Why, I had no idea!" What shocking and rebellious critical stand are they going to going to make next, that Tiffany's singles were lightweight fluff? S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:56:23 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Always fun >No, more along the lines of "Gee! Limp Bizkit were exceptionally >lame? Why, I had no idea!" Yeah, how dare they put *bad* songs on a list of the worst songs! They totally lose hipster cred points for not mocking things that people like! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:02:28 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun Bill Carter on 7/29/2005 2:03:36 PM wrote: > Another "100 Worst" list > > > http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ From this list: 6) I Think I Love You - David Cassidy A perfect argument for why girls under the age of 12 should not be allowed to buy music. Weird - I've been meaning to do a blog entry on this song ever since I bought VERY BEST OF THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY a few months ago. (Note: The song is from the Partridge Family, not Cassidy solo). It's the best and oddest bubblegum tune of all time, IMO. Psychedelic/unrelated intro, weird high/off-key background vocals in the verses, harpsichord solo, catchy sing-along verse AND chorus... what more could you ask for? Harrumph. Lame? I don't think so. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:06:08 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keegstra, Russell " > >No, more along the lines of "Gee! Limp Bizkit were exceptionally >>lame? Why, I had no idea!" > > Yeah, how dare they put *bad* songs on a list of the worst songs! > They > totally lose hipster cred points for not mocking things that people > like! Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be more fun to avoid the fish-in-a-barrel route of this list and maybe point out the lameness of much of what *does* have, as you say, "hipster cred." I'd be entertained if just one person would come right out and admit that Devendra Banhardt's records are a complete load of arse, for instance. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:29:55 -0400 From: "Bill Carter" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun The list was never presented as, in your words, a "shocking and rebellious critical stand...". You're tilting at windmills. As the article points out, the list was derived from a "fun thread on [the site's] message boards". As the web site further states: "...you are taking this far too seriously! It's a lame list of lame songs." B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:53:16 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun The poll's a fair enough mix of obvious targets, misunderstood pop, and overrated critics' darlings. This kind of thing still needs to be occasionally trotted out and discussed. I overheard a 16-year-old kid explaining to his pals yesterday that "Afternoon Delight" is an Elton John song. That should pay for a lot of Elton's sins. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:58:32 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun On 7/29/05, Roger Winston wrote: > Bill Carter on 7/29/2005 2:03:36 PM wrote: > > http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ > > From this list: > > 6) I Think I Love You - David Cassidy > A perfect argument for why girls under the age of 12 should not be allowed to buy music. > > Weird - I've been meaning to do a blog entry on this song ever since I bought VERY BEST OF THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY a few months ago. (Note: The song is from the Partridge Family, not Cassidy solo). It's the best and oddest bubblegum tune of all time, IMO. Psychedelic/unrelated intro, weird high/off-key background vocals in the verses, harpsichord solo, catchy sing-along verse AND chorus... what more could you ask for? Harrumph. Lame? I don't think so. I agree with Rog on this one. I'm also rather fond of (though I haven't heard it for literally decades) "Point Me in the Direction of Albuquerque" or whatever it's called - which allowed me to acquire the skill of correctly spelling the name of that city at an early age. On 7/29/05, Stewart Mason wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be more fun to avoid the > fish-in-a-barrel route of this list and maybe point out the lameness > of much of what *does* have, as you say, "hipster cred." I'd be > entertained if just one person would come right out and admit that > Devendra Banhardt's records are a complete load of arse, for instance. I do believe you just did that. The problem with lists that diss hipster cred is...well, too often they're merely snarky and don't explain *why* the songs/artists/albums/plastic surgery they dislike are more full of crap than the closing scene of _Magic Christian_. But the whole point of such lists is for people to say, "no, that doesn't belong there" and "but what about this thing?" over and over again, so...mission accomplished. (However, so as not to be complete morons, the compilers of such lists should at least get their facts right. Hmmph..."David Cassidy"!) (Speaking of which: I don't suppose anyone's yet recorded a faux-bluegrass track called "Turd Blossom Special"... Quick Googled answer: apparently.) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:32:14 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun At Friday 7/29/2005 04:58 PM, Jeff wrote: >I'm also rather fond of (though I >haven't heard it for literally decades) "Point Me in the Direction of >Albuquerque" or whatever it's called - which allowed me to acquire the >skill of correctly spelling the name of that city at an early age. Yeah, you got the title right. That's a great one too, and is also available on the new comp. "I'll Meet You Halfway" is another goodie. The writing/performing team behind the PF songs knew what they were doing. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:44:12 -0700 From: "Steve Holtebeck" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:58:32 -0700, Jeff wrote: > (However, so as not to be complete > morons, the compilers of such lists should at least get theirfacts > right. Hmmph..."David Cassidy"!) David had a solo hit a while back with a re-recording of "I Think I Love You", so if the list derived from "a fun thread on [the site's] message board", some of the morons who contributed to the list probably considered it David Cassidy solo song.. Which doesn't excuse listing it as the 6th lamest song of all time. That list has quite a few songs that I genuinely like.. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:30:52 -0400 From: pking123@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun 89) Smokin' In The Boys Room - Motley Crue -- I thought this was a cooler version than the original Brownsville Station version. I would have stuck Brownsville Station up there instead. 80) Sugar Sugar- The Archies On the surface, this could qualify as "lame" except ironically I hear that a lot of hippies took to it at the time. Maybe it sounded hilarious when you got stoned. :-) 59) Saturday Night - Bay City Rollers Fine. But this was one of their better ones. They did way lamer songs than this. Remember "Dedication"? And, unless I have missed something, I saw Nothing from NKOTB Nothing from The Partridge Family Only 1 tune from Micheal Bolton And I would have included the entire Milli Vanilli catalog. > Another "100 Worst" list > > > http://www.antimusic.com/specials/lame/ > > Regards, > Bill Carter > > __________ NOD32 1.1183 (20050729) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:24:42 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun On 7/29/05, pking123@sympatico.ca wrote: > 89) Smokin' In The Boys Room - Motley Crue > > -- I thought this was a cooler version than the original Brownsville > Station version. I would have stuck Brownsville Station up there instead. No sir, I don't like it. See, it's stupid and inane enough to *write* a dumbass, pathetically pandering song...but to cover it, without even the merest shred of irony - well, that's even more stupid. Plus, the boys in Motley Crue kant spel. > 80) Sugar Sugar- The Archies > > On the surface, this could qualify as "lame" except ironically I hear > that a lot of hippies took to it at the time. Maybe it sounded > hilarious when you got stoned. :-) Apparently, the top-40 pop of (slightly before?) one's childhood is, for some folks, automatically lame. I like the sound of this one - what the hell is that riff played on, vibes and bass harmonica? Plus that one high vocal part, about making it so sweet, is pretty hot. > 59) Saturday Night - Bay City Rollers > > Fine. But this was one of their better ones. They did way lamer > songs than this. Remember "Dedication"? Perhaps thankfully, no. But who can argue with songs featuring cheerleader-style spelling chants? Not I, that's for certain. And Stephin Merritt would agree. > > And, unless I have missed something, I saw > > Nothing from NKOTB Should I be distressed that I know what the abbreviation stands for? > Nothing from The Partridge Family My apologies to people far less moronic than I - who failed to realize that Mr. Cassidy took this one back to the bank for another go-round sans Ms. Jones, Mr. Bonaduce, and the rest. It's also entirely possible (since I haven't heard that remake) that it is (unlike the original, by the Partridge Family) utterly lame. (I blame Roger Winston for the error. Boo Roger! You misleading snake!) By the way: if Andy Partridge and Joe Pernice (do the translation, per interview in latest _Magnet_) ever work together, they should definitely call themselves something like "The New Partridge Family"... > Only 1 tune from Micheal Bolton I suspect that's all anyone could bear. > And I would have included the entire Milli Vanilli catalog. I think it was disqualified on grounds that it had no actual songs in it. I am lazy: was "Hot Rod Hearts" by Robbie Dupree on it? - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:05:26 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun I like a lot of the songs on that list! I mean, I take pop music _way_ too seriously but even I can love an Avril Lavigne song for being the well processed piece of American cheese that it is. The worst song on that list, because it has nothing of any value in terms of melody, lyric, production, singing, rhythm, etc. is the New Kids' "Hangin' Tough". > Maybe it's just me, but I think it would be more fun >to avoid the > fish-in-a-barrel route of this list and maybe point out >the lameness > of much of what *does* have, as you say, "hipster >cred." I'd be > entertained if just one person would come right out >and admit that > Devendra Banhardt's records are a complete load of >arse, for instance. I admit it fully. And the Tyrannosaurus Rex albums that inspired them are equally awful--I don't care how hip that stuff is. I can't say making a list of things that suck is something that strikes me as really worthwhile, but I kind of have to agree with Stewart on this one. It's more interesting to look at established critical untouchables and marvel at how bad that stuff can be. "Bad" being entirely subjective, of course, but that's the fun right? How 'bout, for a big piece of unproductive and worthlessly negative fun, we list the things that we think are lame that we aren't supposed to? I seem to remember Aaron Milenski not liking Liz Phair, which is (or used to be) against the rules for nerdy male pop geeks! Bands I can't stand that i'm supposed to love: Led Zeppelin (with a good singer they would have been great. I like to play a game at work called "Get Zeppelin a good singer". The best answer so far? Burton Cummings.) The Doors (don't get me started) Lou Reed (after the third VU album) The Ramones (boring!) Can (see: The Ramones) Creedence (Fogerty is like the Eddie Vedder of the 70's--why sing like that?) Oh okay, there's no point to this at all--I only hit a few classic rock highlights and i'm already feeling that icky, "big waste of time" feeling that comes with indulging in this kind of nonsense. It's more fun to talk about bad stuff that's actually good like that last Gretchen Wilson single "When I Think About Cheating"... B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:21:28 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Always fun At Friday 7/29/2005 10:24 PM, Jeff wrote: > > Nothing from The Partridge Family > >My apologies to people far less moronic than I - who failed to realize >that Mr. Cassidy took this one back to the bank for another go-round >sans Ms. Jones, Mr. Bonaduce, and the rest. It's also entirely >possible (since I haven't heard that remake) that it is (unlike the >original, by the Partridge Family) utterly lame. (I blame Roger >Winston for the error. Boo Roger! You misleading snake!) Though I have no doubt that Steve is correct and that Mr Cassidy did do a solo version of "I Think I Love You", I don't believe I have heard said version. The original PF version must be the more well-known one, as it actually charted pretty high and all. As you say, maybe the solo version was a lot lamer and deserved to be on the list, but somehow I don't think the list makers were making such distinctions. I wager they just attributed it wrongly. Now, I do remember David Cassidy's solo cover version of "Cherish"... Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #184 *******************************