From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #168 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, July 4 2005 Volume 05 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [A52boy@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [nimbleboy ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [Cyndy Patrick ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts [Holly Kruse ] Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? [Jeff ] [loud-fans] synchronicity, only without Sting [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] Everybody knows that the dice are loaded [Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts On 7/3/05, Jenny Grover wrote: > Ya know, I've been thinking hard on some of what was said on this list > yesterday and there are a few things I want to comment on. This post > will probably piss somebody off, but that's life. First, I probably agree about 90% with you, so the following comments are exceptions to that general statement. > First off- regarding that creepy, stalkerish pie chart and complaints of > Mark or anyone else posting "too much". I honestly didnt' read it as creepy or stalkerish at all - I thought it was (a) pretty funny and (b) relevant to the issue. Because one thing I thought Mark was saying is that he feels discriminated against here, that people ignore his posts - but the fact that recently he's been the most prominent poster argues against that, since *by that fact* he has a lot to do with the overall direction, tone, and content of the list. The pie chart just graphically established that, quickly, with the added bonus of summing up (with the usual problems of pie charts - paging Edward Tufte) everyone's recent frequency, Kenneth. > Is this list heavily populated by uptight, anal, repressed geeks who > have too much freakin' time on their hands and not enough fun and love > and life in their hearts? Because it sure sounds that way at times. > You sound like a buncha parents who are "no fun." Hell, I remember when > people were sniping at others on here for typos! I got reprimanded for > calling tattoos "tats," for cripe sakes. Well, one person's uptight, anal, repressed geek is another person's intriguing fount of obscure information. I don't recall "sniping" for typos; I recall people (often me) humorously making hay of them - but again, as the late Senator from Illinois once said, one man's ceiling is another person's kettle of fish. It was probably me who complained about the word "tats" - but that would have been because I think it is, aesthetically, one of the ugliest words in the English language. But talking about the aesthetics of language is at least as relevant to this list's ostensible purpose as talking about movies, novels, politics, or monkey sex. (And there's been too much discussion of that last btw.) You give lip service to > diveristy and inclusion, ...must...resist...urge...to point out...typo! - -- ...Jeff, "before I die get another piece of pie" The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:08:20 -0500 From: nimbleboy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:04 AM, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > I'm gonna go. huh. didn't see that coming... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:17:16 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? Happy Fourth! Last night, I posted a long reply to Jenny's last post, but somehow it didn't make it to the List. The gist of it was that the only thing I was trying to do from the beginning was counter Mark's wild assertion that the List was a much better place for everyone to hang out at since he'd broken up the "Men's Club" (whatever that was). I was refuting his claim, not getting down on anyone who posts a lot. Everyone should post however much they'd like. That's maybe for the best that it got lost. Jenny, if you want to see the whole thing, let me know and I'll send it to you offlist. Anyway, here's some actual musical content instead. Haven't gotten or listened to enough stuff this year to formulate a decent mid-year top ten, though the following are looking like good candidates for the year-end list: Kaiser Chiefs: EMPLOYMENT Go-Betweens: OCEANS APART The Information: MISTAKES WE KNEW WE WERE MAKING Garbage: BLEED LIKE ME Soundtrack of our Lives: ORIGIN VOL. 1 Bubbling under: Eels: BLINKING LIGHTS AND OTHER REVELATIONS (would make a great one disc album, but at two discs though, there's way too much filler) Alkaline Trio: CRIMSON The Bravery: THE BRAVERY Beck: GUERO Hot Hot Heat: ELEVATOR Decemberists: PICARESQUE Had high hopes for but was disappointed by: New Order: WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL (though it's growing on me) Ad Frank: IS THE WORLD'S BEST EX-BOYFRIEND Ash: MELTDOWN Brendan Benson: AN ALTERNATIVE TO LOVE Starflyer 59: TALKING VOICE VS SINGING VOICE Everybody keeps telling me I should like, but am underwhelmed by: Bloc Party: SILENT ALARM Spoon: GIMME FICTION (the songs don't bother so much as the style, for some reason) Bullette: THE SECRETS Own (CD or download), but still need to completely listen to: Orange Peels: CIRCLING THE SUN Porcupine Tree: DEADWING Pernice Brothers: DISCOVER A LOVLIER YOU The Church: EL MOMENTO DESCUIDADO Needs more listens: Audible: SKY SIGNALS I was initially underwhelmed by the advance title song from the new New Pornographers disc, but it has since grown on me. I really, really hope the album's okay. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:33:15 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron Mark, in the parlance of Yoda - do not stay, do not go, just be. As I've tried to make clear over and over, I don't care if you're here or not, or how much you post. I just wanted you to: 1) Stop making claims that you've changed the List into something so much better. 2) Stop posting offlist e-mails. That's it. Whatever else you do, I don't personally care. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:05:39 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? On 7/3/05, Stewart Mason wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Winston" > > At Sunday 7/3/2005 01:30 PM, Bradley Skaught wrote: > > > >>I'm also working on my case that Robyn Hitchcock's "Queen Elvis" > >>album is a > >>lost classic. Even amongst die hard Hitchcock _fans_ it's a lost > >>classic... > > > > I never understood why QUEEN ELVIS doesn't get more recognition. It > > was the album that got me into Hitchcock, and is still probably tied > > for my #1 among his (along with GROOVY DECOY). OTOH, GLOBE OF FROGS > > doesn't do much for me. Add another QE fan here. I mostly agree, though, with the criticism of _Perspex Island_ which, though I don't hate it, just doesn't do much for me. > I really like QUEEN ELVIS a lot too, although I always did wonder why > the album version of "Madonna of the Wasps" didn't have that kinda > spooky solo a cappella opening that the mix from the video had. I > liked that a lot, and the album version is weakened by its absence. As you probably know, that bit showed up on the short-lived A&M best-of compilation - oddly, placed as a separate track (if I remember correctly). - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:25:12 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron On 7/4/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > Jen, out of love for me, has said I've really dug a hole for myself here > this time, in a concerned e-mail to me off-list, and, instead of me trying to > give this hole the Queer Eye touch and make it look "fabulous," I'm gonna go. > I've said it before and came back again...and again...and again..., but yeah, > this is it. It is. Are you by any chance going to be playing bass with The Who? > the list to change for me. That's wrong. I am an emotional, twee pop lovin' > half-gay Southern boy, and my spices make the stew here taste bad God I hope that's not a pun. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:07:15 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? Stewart: > I seem to recall that there was kind of a perfect > storm of criticism > fired at that album at the time I remember that well, and I also remember buying into it thoroughly. I was young enough at the time that a bad review in something like Rolling Stone would color my opinion about a new album. > a lot of the longtime > Hitchcock fans > thought it verged on slick and commercial in the > production (which is > possibly a fair point -- it does have that singularly > late-'80s > major-label drum sound) The two big obstacles to overcome are the arena rock drums (although the greatness of Morris Windsor's drumming comes through loud and clear) and the fretless bass, which used to trigger some nerd-y music snob reaction in me but doesn't anymore. It seems like most of the criticisms levelled at the album better suit Globe of Frogs and Perspex Island--too slick, uneven songwriting, gimmicky... > and some of them also found his newly > heightened media profile -- this was around the time > he was opening > for R.E.M. in their early major-label days -- to be > something of a > sellout. I do remember when a new Hitchcock album would come out and there'd be a half-hour on MTV about it. Again, I was probably young enough to have to videotape all those half-hours, but still complain about him selling out! > Meanwhile, the album was still too weird and > obscure for the > mainstream folks, so he was getting it from both > sides. When I finally got into the album, I was surprised at how well it demonstrated everything I like about Hitchcock. It's the most Syd Barrett-like of his albums songwriting-wise, and the 60's-style details in the arrangements are the best integrated, least novelty sounding of his career. There's also lots of great guitar playing (maybe the best since the Soft Boys) and great singing all around. The special chemistry of the Egyptians is well demonstrated, I think. The CD also features that very rare animal: The good remix! The "royal" mix of "Veins of the Queen" is gorgeous--the kind of mix that reveals different dimensions of a song and really stands on it's own. The "shatter" mix of "Freeze" is great, too. That song, more than the rest, perhaps, suffers from the 80's production and it took me longer to appreciate the real ferocity and edginess of the performance (as opposed to the ferocity and edginess that kind of production often tries to oversell.) > I really like QUEEN ELVIS a lot too, although I > always did wonder why > the album version of "Madonna of the Wasps" didn't > have that kinda > spooky solo a cappella opening that the mix from the > video had. I > liked that a lot, and the album version is weakened > by its absence. I don't remember that--so it was something other than the "is this love" round? B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:20:08 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? In a message dated 7/3/05 6:47:32 PM, jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: << The MTV/VH1 coverage was poorly done - VJs on-camera instead of performances. I never thought I'd type these words, but God bless AOL! They offered streaming coverage of all the European & North American shows, so I got to see the PF reunion on a 3.5 x 2.5 inch display, and it was wonderful. >> I was blown away by -- totally incredulous at -- how horrible MTV/VH1 coverage of Live 8 was. It was as if they waited until the the classicest part of the classicest songs, and then cut to the VJs......who were fawning and banal and just plain terrible -- TALKING about how great the damn bands were instead of letting us SEE them. For instance, they showed The Who doing "Won't Get Fooled Again," but cut away just before the big keyboard/sequencer thing 2/3 through the song......and never returned for the ending. Similarly, they cut to the VJs in the middle of "Comfortably Numb" -- but at least you could still hear the song in the background. THEN, they went to commercial RIGHT as THE guitar solo started. Strangely, it was as if the director had a change of heart at that moment, and they showed some of the solo. The cutting off of great songs about 2/3 of the way through went on for the entire 8 hours of the coverage. I kept bitching, and my wife finally told me to shut up. ( : Robert Hilburn did his own bitch about it in the Calendar section of the L.A. Times this morning. I have never seen ANYTHING that appeared to be so callously indifferent to viewers. MTV has now officially lost its mind. Left ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:47:46 -0400 From: "Sgt. Cockring" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron Sgt. Cockring does not approve. You cannot abandon the ship after taking it over, son! Get a grip on yourself! You are the lifeblood of the list. Now get some control over your emotions--but not TOO much, of course--and keep up the good work. On 7/4/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > I'm gonna go. I've said it before and came back again...and >again...and again..., but yeah, this is it. It is. Sgt. Cockring would like to wish all his countrymen and women a happy and resonant Independence Day! Please take a moment to reflect on what "independence" means to you today. - -Sarge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:51:52 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts Jeff wrote: > >I honestly didnt' read it as creepy or stalkerish at all > Alright, alright. I'll back off on the stalkerish part. I still think it was just kinda weird and a little intimidating that someone could immediately produce such a thing as that. I guess businessmen are okay. >with the added bonus of summing up (with the usual problems of pie >charts > > There were a few places I couldn't tell the darker colors apart. >I don't recall "sniping" for >typos; I recall people (often me) humorously making hay of them > The making hay part I don't mind. If it's obviously done in fun, and some typos are damn funny, you must admit, but it seemed to be used at times to make light of a person's post's content by undermining credibility. But I must say that one of the best melons I've had in a while came from a roadside stand that sells "Canlops". > - but >again, as the late Senator from Illinois once said, one man's ceiling >is another person's kettle of fish. > > Um... that's quite a quote. Would that my own writing evoked such interesting imagery. >It was probably me who complained about the word "tats" > It was several people. But even if you think it's ugly, it's still acceptible slang pretty much everywhere else and the sort of thing most people never give a second thought, so it kinda freaked me out. > > >>diveristy and inclusion, >> >> > >...must...resist...urge...to point out...typo! > > Oops! I kneel and beg for mercy. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:56:09 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? Roger Winston wrote: > Happy Fourth! > > Last night, I posted a long reply to Jenny's last post, but somehow it > didn't make it to the List. The gist of it was that the only thing I > was trying to do from the beginning was counter Mark's wild assertion > that the List was a much better place for everyone to hang out at > since he'd broken up the "Men's Club" (whatever that was). I was > refuting his claim, not getting down on anyone who posts a lot. > Everyone should post however much they'd like. That's maybe for the > best that it got lost. Jenny, if you want to see the whole thing, let > me know and I'll send it to you offlist. No, it's alright. I trust your synopsis here, and again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intentions. I've been stressed out lately and I guess it all just hit me wrong. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:57:38 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff" > Add another QE fan here. I mostly agree, though, with the criticism > of > _Perspex Island_ which, though I don't hate it, just doesn't do much > for me. Well, the songwriting is fairly weak on it. Didn't it turn out that "So You Think You're in Love" (the only song I can recall on the entire album, now that I think about it) actually dated from the early days of the Soft Boys? Maybe he was just going through a dry patch. >> I really like QUEEN ELVIS a lot too, although I always did wonder >> why >> the album version of "Madonna of the Wasps" didn't have that kinda >> spooky solo a cappella opening that the mix from the video had. I >> liked that a lot, and the album version is weakened by its >> absence. > > As you probably know, that bit showed up on the short-lived A&M > best-of compilation - oddly, placed as a separate track (if I > remember > correctly). I did not know that. Off to Amazon's zShop's! S NP: LA MIA VITA VIOLENTA -- Blonde Redhead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:29:02 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron > Please take a moment to reflect on what > "independence" means to you today. To me, it means the right for any President, no matter how conservative or homophobic he may be, to don a skirt if he so chooses (please dial up the New York Times homepage immediately). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MY few thoughts Stewart: > Interestingly, the original title of "We Love You, > Carol and Alison" > was supposed to be "My Keyboardist And My > Photographer Got Married And >All I Got Was This Chunk-Spattered T-Shirt." LOL!!!!!! Gil Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:48:41 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron Now that Mark's gone (again, or for the moment, or whatever), it seems that everyone's all conciliatory. Fine and well, but let's not forget that certain members of this List have, in the past, actually bothered to create new e-mail addresses so that they could ridicule Mark anonymously and jeer him into quitting this List several times before. Sorry that Jen gets nervous when people bring up the archives, but they serve a purpose when others try to pretend that certain creeps here haven't used desperate tactics to maintain this list as their very own Second Chance High School. It'll likely happen again, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:55:32 -0500 From: Holly Kruse Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts I cannot let the spate of chicks de-lurking (hi Sue, hi Janet) pass without de-lurking myself. My loud-fans participation has pretty much dropped to zero in the past few years for reasons that have less to do with list culture and more to do with life changes. As the fogey that I've become, and with a current book research project that takes my media focus away from indie music, I find it harder and harder to keep up with music. Without an iPod or a high-speed connection at home, I am being passed by and feel hopelessly behind. I skim posts for music recommendations and try to follow up on some of them, but I really feel like I have absolutely nothing to contribute by posting (unless people are really, really interested in online parimutuel wagering and/or dogs.) I think all I've done vis a vis posting in the past couple of years is, sadly, shamelessly shilling my book. Certainly, I would agree with the observation that the demise of the Loud Family naturally had a big effect on the list. I remember going to SF a few years ago to see the band kick off its last tour and hanging out with Sue and Joe, with Tim, and with others. When I was in Philly and the band played there a couple of times I got to meet Doug (and Sue for the first time) because they came up for the show, and at a later show Paula and others. Having a band that's touring be the focus of a list enables, I think, a better sense of off-list connection among members. Part of the problem for me could be that I've been in Tulsa for the past few years, and loud-fans visiting to see bands isn't nearly as common as it was when I was in the northeastern U.S. I must confess that I just page past the self-revelatory stuff and discussion of it in the digest and stop on posts that discuss music to which I might want to give a listen. This latest little blow-up, however, got my attention, and I've been diligently reading it. It's almost as interesting at the biennial "pop vs. soda (vs. coke)" thread. Holly holly-kruse@utulsa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:33:18 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron JRT456@aol.com wrote: >Now that Mark's gone (again, or for the moment, or whatever), it seems that >everyone's all conciliatory. Fine and well, but let's not forget that certain >members of this List have, in the past, actually bothered to create new e-mail >addresses so that they could ridicule Mark anonymously and jeer him into >quitting this List several times before. Sorry that Jen gets nervous when people >bring up the archives, but they serve a purpose when others try to pretend that >certain creeps here haven't used desperate tactics to maintain this list as >their very own Second Chance High School. It'll likely happen again, too. > > > Archives in general don't make me nervous. They're very useful and an be fun to read, as well. It just depends how they're used. BTW, how does one access the archives to this list anymore and were the "lost" ones ever restored? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:42:38 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron At Monday 7/4/2005 01:33 PM, Jenny Grover wrote: >Archives in general don't make me nervous. They're very useful and an be >fun to read, as well. It just depends how they're used. BTW, how does >one access the archives to this list anymore and were the "lost" ones ever >restored? The only thing I can find that is current is the smoe archives of text files of the digests: http://www.smoe.org/lists/loud-fans/ It's hard to navigate, since there's no searching or threading functions. The most recent digests are at the bottom. If anyone knows of any other archives, please chime in. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:43:45 -0400 From: "Sgt. Cockring" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron Sgt. Cockring does not approve. The integrity of the List is compromised by such pusillanimous pussyfooting, as is the already-tenous stability of the forum. - -Sarge On 7/4/05, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > let's not forget that certain > members of this List have, in the past, actually bothered to create new e-mail > addresses so that they could ridicule Mark anonymously and jeer him into > quitting this List several times before. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "don't mine me" Subject: [loud-fans] meta meta meta Funnily enough, just last night I was sayin' in real life how I thought QE was by far the best of the A&M Hitchcock records. Which is still somewhat faint praise -- it's no "element" -- but I think it gets short shrift, and I think it's held up better than most of the rest from that era. * I got a record by a band with the rather terrible name of "the screwdrivers" (www.thescrewdrivers.com) called 'shape of a bird in transit' that i think some of youse might like quite a bit. kinda reminds me a bit of the pernice brothers -- consistently fine vocal performances, not quite at joe pernice's level despite some tonal similarity, but that's *not* faint praise -- with a bit more of an indie/emo rocking edge. (the words 'tobin sprout' were also bandied about as it played). looks like it may've came out last year, and it bears a 2003 (c) date -- so maybe not half-year best fodder -- but i was sent a review copy last week, so who knows. * I think the ascendency of blogs on the one hand and message clients on the other has kinda hurt the community nature of mailing lists in general, but still, the lifecycles of mailing lists were pretty well established before those media evolved. A lot of it is a consequence of our namesake not being as active as he once was in the industry. But some of it is the size of the list -- many of the "oldtimters" remember when it was smaller than it is now, although it was later bigger than it is now -- and the cyclical nature of conversations -- certain topics come up again and again (usually introduced by newcomers) and the oldtimer's responses get increasingly formalized. (I had a friend whose graduate work at one point involved studying this stuff -- none of it is unique to loudfans.) Anyway, I feel like somebody should mebbe point out that there were longstanding feuds and running disputes on this list before Mr. Staples ever appeared on it, some of which at times seemed fairly bitter. And for better or worse, there were almost always people who seemed at odds with the mood of the list. In fact, I think the list has almost always had a primary "bete noire" -- someone who placed him/herself (or was placed, if you prefer) in an antagonistic relationship with the mainsteam of the part of the community represented by the frequent posters. I'm not gonna name names, but think on it a minute. That legendarily voluble guy who's been in as many no-account bands as I have, f'r instance, or the young would-be film-maker with the fondness for emoticons -- as well as some folks who stuck around, and are now de facto members of the 'old guard.' So anyway, while the old days were certainly different, I think whether -- or exactly how -- they were better or worse is open to some question. they were probably better in some ways and worse in others. Please don't write me back at this address; this is an outgoing-mail-only address, because addresses I use to post to archived mailing lists aren't safe from spammers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:05:26 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reunion bells? On 7/4/05, Stewart Mason wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff" > >> I really like QUEEN ELVIS a lot too, although I always did wonder > >> why > >> the album version of "Madonna of the Wasps" didn't have that kinda > >> spooky solo a cappella opening that the mix from the video had. I > >> liked that a lot, and the album version is weakened by its > >> absence. > > > > As you probably know, that bit showed up on the short-lived A&M > > best-of compilation - oddly, placed as a separate track (if I > > remember > > correctly). > > I did not know that. Off to Amazon's zShop's! One of us is wrong: here's the track listing at AMG, and it's "One Long Pair of Eyes" that has a separately indexed intro: . I guess we could both be wrong! But the collection does offer a couple of otherwise-hard-to-find tracks - something far more valuable when it iself was other than hard-to-find. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:07:38 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: [loud-fans] synchronicity, only without Sting With perfect timing, here fwd'd from the feglist: On 7/4/05, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > from the auditorium .... > > New Japanesse CD Release > > The Oak Tree label in Japan is releasing a new Robyn Hitchcock compilation, > Obliteration Pie. This 16 song set includes some new, live and rare > recordings, as well as two videos. We wil have a limited quantity available > for sale are accepting orders for these now, with the shipment due to > arrive in the second half of July, at which time orders will be promptly > filled. > > Obliteration Pie can be purchased from > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/giftshop.htm. > > Track List > 1. Madonna of the Wasps (new recording) > 2. City of Women > 3. I Fall Into Your Eyes > 4. Arms of Love (new recording) > 5. A Man's Gotta Know His Limitations, Briggs > 6. Madelaine > 7. Let thesun Begin > 8. My Dreams are Scars > 9. Frank Sinatra (verbal) > 10. My Wife and My Dead Wife (live) > 11. Chinese Bones (live) > 12. Funkytown > 13. Butterfly > 14. Queen Elvis (new recording) > 15. The Man With the Lightbulb Head (original recording and video) > 16. I Often Dream of Trains (original recording and video) > > Robyn will be doing a short Japanese tour in October: > > Friday 7 & Saturday 8 - Tokyo - Minaiaoyama Mandala (TEL: 03-5474-0411) > Monday, Bankholiday 10 - Osaka - Knave (TEL: 06-6535-0691) > > For more information: http://www.mplant.com/robyn.html > and in English: http://www.mplant.com/robyn/tourinfo05_eng.html > - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:13:23 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts Thank you! I've been looking for a new list nickname... On 7/4/05, Jenny Grover wrote: > Jeff wrote: > >It was probably me who complained about the word "tats" > > > > It was several people. But even if you think it's ugly, it's still > acceptible slang pretty much everywhere else and the sort of thing most > people never give a second thought, so it kinda freaked me out. And of course, giving things second thoughts is our specialty! Really: I know it's "acceptible slang" - but so is "grow the economy," and that still bugs me. I am a language geek. I accept my geekiness. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a few thoughts Holly Kruse wrote: > I cannot let the spate of chicks de-lurking (hi Sue, > hi Janet) pass without > de-lurking myself. It sure is nice to see all of these lurkers again! Too bad it took this latest topic to do this. > Certainly, I would agree with the observation that > the demise of the Loud > Family naturally had a big effect on the list. I'm actually surprised that the list has survived this long. But I really appreciate the fact that it goes on (and on, and on...). The good news is that there really is new Scott music on it's way. I get a feeling that he's getting interested in his own music again, and I cannot wait until it's in my hot little hands. Happy 4th, and everyone breath deeply. There is a place for everyone, and I hope this can be one of those places. Who the hell is Sgt. Cockring?! Gil Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:52:37 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Everybody knows that the dice are loaded I know there's a few Leonard Cohen fans here. There's an article in our local alternative weekly Westword about how a Boulder investment banker is suing him. Warning: It does not show Cohen in a particularly good light. http://www.westword.com/Issues/2005-06-30/news/news2.html The same issue also has Jason Sheehan reviewing Twin Dragon: http://www.westword.com/Issues/2005-06-30/dining/cafe.html Okay, I know that means nothing to you, but Sheehan is the only person I've ever read who can write interestingly about food and restaurants (not that I've read a lot of food writing), and Twin Dragon is my favorite Chinese restaurant. So there. There's also an interview with Xiu Xiu, which I skipped: http://music.westword.com/Issues/2005-06-30/music/music2.html Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:57:14 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (Snoopy vs.) The Red Baron In a message dated 7/4/05 3:49:11 PM, sgtcockring@gmail.com writes: > The integrity of the List is compromised by such pusillanimous > pussyfooting, as is the already-tenous stability of the forum. > As you probably know firsthand, Sgt., it's not so much pussyfooting as just cowardly and insecure douchebags behaving in their typically weaselly manner. The republic will stand. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Vomit, Wedding Secrets and Lost Boy Beach From: "Stewart Mason" >original title of "We Love You, Carol and Alison" was "My Keyboardist And My Photographer Got Married And All I Got Was This Chunk-Spattered T-Shirt." Damnit Stew, how did you find out?!... poo... Photo Carol - vacationing in Oregon somewhere between Rockaway Beach and Lost Boy Beach - really - http://www.angrylambie.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:15:42 -0700 From: Dennis Sacks Subject: [loud-fans] blowups, blowjobs, hitchcock What an interesting, dynamic group of people loud-fans is! Sometimes annoying, other times immature and hateful. Yet also funny, goofy, analytical, dense. Roger trotting out the pie chart was classic! I loved it. I seldom post here, mostly because I don't listen to new music nearly as much as the people who do post here. Plus, I really don't think critically about music or literature. I just enjoy, or not. And lack of new Scott material is a bummer. I must weigh in on Hitchcock. Queen Elvis is a favorite of mine. I loved it then, and I still love it. I also love Eye. I thought Perspex Island was weak, although it was cool seeing a video for "So You Think You're In Love" on MTV. NOT getting blow-jobs from the press, Dennis ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #168 *******************************