From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #158 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, June 25 2005 Volume 05 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Oed Ronne ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] the past ain't what it used to be [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG [Jeff ] RE: [loud-fans] TMBG ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG [Jeff ] [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? ["don't mine me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? ["Bradley Skaught" ] [loud-fans] midyear top tens ["Brian Block" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Oed Ronne Haven't heard anything lately, but said Mr. Collins suffered a cerebral hemorrhage back in February. Apparently, he's in rehab and making a recovery. Don't know if that's "full" or not. - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Mandel" > > My exposure to Orange Juice was always in tiny doses; I love > > "Blueboy" and > > "Felicity", but the idea of them having entire albums is still oddly > > alien > > to me. Seems like a good disc, though. > > They're definitely a singles band, but if you ever get a chance to > hear RIP IT UP, it's worth the time; unlike most of the UK indie bands > who jumped on the pop-R&B bandwagon around 1982, OJ could actually > pull it off without falling on their faces, mostly due to Malcolm > Ross' guitar and Zeke Manikaya's drums. "I Can't Help Myself" in > particular is really quite good. > > S > ====== "Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." H.J.S. ====== ===== ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:04:36 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] the past ain't what it used to be Momentarily resurfacing from my boredom-induced lurkdom. For some reason, this letter to Dear Abby today just screamed "Post me to LoudFans" at me: - ------------------------ DEAR ABBY: I am 10. I was born in 1994. My problem is I really, really wish I had lived in the '80s. I know this sounds stupid, but the style was awesome -- not skanky. The music was great -- not rap. The '80s seem awesome! I mean, they had good songs like "She Blinded Me With Science." The '80s seem so cool -- at least people are always saying so. Help, Abby, please. I'm sitting here listening to '80s music now. I wouldn't admit this to anyone else except my mom or dad. -- BORN IN THE WRONG ERA DEAR IN THE WRONG ERA: I can't "fix" your problem, but it may comfort you to know that many people feel the way you do about various eras -- and that includes the roaring '20s, the romantic '30s, the fashionable '40s, the revolutionary '60s, the experimental '70s, as well as the "awesome" '80s. When you're older, you'll be able to satisfy your "itch" to live in the '80s by collecting music, clothing and accessories from that decade. It's not exactly a trip back in time, but it will capture the nostalgia. - ------------------------ Latre. --Rog (must now go check out eBay for collectibles from the ??? domestic?? suburban?? '50s) - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? I'm not finding any 2005 releases exciting me, at all, so that's a prominent reason for asking. Except maybe for the Beck album, which I still don't own, Andy Giant Popsicle Melts, Floods NYC Park NEW YORK - An attempt to erect the world's largest popsicle in a city square ended with a scene straight out of a disaster film - but much stickier. The 25-foot-tall, 17 1/2-ton treat of frozen Snapple juice melted faster than expected Tuesday, flooding Union Square in downtown Manhattan with kiwi-strawberry-flavored fluid that sent pedestrians scurrying for higher ground. Firefighters closed off several streets and used hoses to wash away the sugary goo. Snapple had been trying to promote a new line of frozen treats by setting a record for the world's largest popsicle, but called off the stunt before it was pulled fully upright by a construction crane. Authorities said they were worried the thing would collapse in the 80-degree, first-day-of-summer heat. "What was unsettling was that the fluid just kept coming," Stuart Claxton of the Guinness Book of World Records told the Daily News. "It was quite a lot of fluid. On a hot day like this, you have to move fast." Snapple official Lauren Radcliffe said the company was unlikely to make a second attempt to break the record, set by a 21-foot ice pop in Holland in 1997. The giant ice pop was supposed to have been able to withstand the heat for some time, and organizers weren't sure why it didn't. It had been made in Edison, N.J., and hauled to New York by freezer truck in the morning. Source: Associated Press/AP Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:43:24 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: [loud-fans] TMBG Someone be hating on They Might Be Giants http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2987 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:38:46 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the past ain't what it used to be In a message dated 6/24/05 10:21:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: DEAR ABBY: I am 10. I was born in 1994. My problem is I really, really wish I had lived in the '80s. Thanks for sending this. Now, when the lad is a wee bit older, he(?) must differentiate between good '80s (Go-Go's) and bad '80s (Mr. Mister). I totally relate. When I was his age I used to dress in old '50s clothes that belonged to my dad, or that my dad would find for me on his sales trips at bargain basements because I wanted to live in the fifties. I also wrote gushy letters to Annette Funicello and Cubby O'Brien, and made my own Mousketeer uniform. This wanting to live in the past is charming, but there could be a problem with this child's present that needs to be dealt with. This '80s escapism could be a coping mechanism (speaking from experience here). Good heavens Miss Van Buren, you're beautiful, - --Mark np The Ocean Blue WATERWORKS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > I'm not finding any 2005 releases exciting me, at all, so that's a > prominent reason for asking. In no order: Architecture In Helsinki - In Case We Die Enon - Lost Marbles and Exploded Evidence Bloc Party - Silent Alrm Ben Folds - Songs For Silvverman Mountain Goats - The Sunset Tree Electric Six - Senor Smoke Roisin Murphy - Ruby Blue Perceptionists - Black Dialogue LCD Soundsystem - s/t Bob Drake - The Shunned Country Plus forthcoming: New Pornographers - Twin Cinema The Rakes - Album Best free album: Jens Lekman - The Department of Forgotten Songs http://www.secretlycanadian.com/jenslekman/dept.htm Biggest disappointments: Mike Doughty - Haughty Melodic (In A-B'ing short segments there are few differences between this and the demo version that was floating around right before it came out, but I really liked the demos and am lukewarm about this. Most of the people I've played the demos for agreed, regardless of which versions they heard first.) Xiu Xiu - La Foret (But I will give it a few more chances, especially since it's not even out yet.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG > Someone be hating on They Might Be Giants > > http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2987 The funny thing to me: both Johns got married, and Linnell, ominous though it may seem to some, became a father several years back. Wondering if the author of the above piece can make either of those claims (or even if he's a real doctor), Andy Ruth The face on the flyer was serene as a god-- below, a phone number and scratched note: "even if you just glimpsed her, even if you're not certain." I bowed to that stare and flinched at a smudge where the invisible hand pressed too hard. At the curb a rhinestone purse still held a thimble and a token. I tripped over two votive candles. One flame guttered. I knelt but the wick curled into itself. That night it rained, you could no longer smell the steel burning. When I came back to Union Square the face was everywhere, on a red construction cone, a lamppost, a rental van, safe in a maze of faces but the woman had faded-- a cloud with a smudge where I had seen hair, the pearl necklace a string of blobs: you could still discern the hand's tremor but the words had fused to a solid block: "even if you just glimpsed her, even if you're not certain." - -- Dennis Nurkse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:59:57 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG On 6/24/05, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > > Someone be hating on They Might Be Giants > > > > http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2987 > > The funny thing to me: both Johns got married, and Linnell, ominous > though it may seem to some, became a father several years back. > > Wondering if the author of the above piece can make either of those claims > (or even if he's a real doctor), What I wonder is why the guy apparently thinks it's less harmful for an adult person to spend several paragraphs berating "nerds" - as if whether or not someone else is a nerd is at all relevant to adult life - - than for a harmless couple of musicians to appear nerdly in the "doctor"'s eyes. I mean, is there some aspect of the existence of TMBG (whose music he can surely ignore if it makes him flip out so much) that justifies such splenetic effusions? (I'm pretty sure Splenetic Effusion was a jazz-fusion act from the early '70s, however.) - -- ...Jeff, married but not a father The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:23:13 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] TMBG >>> Someone be hating on They Might Be Giants >>> >>> http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2987 >> >> ...snip... >> >> Wondering if the author of the above piece can make either of those claims >> (or even if he's a real doctor), > >What I wonder is why the guy apparently thinks it's less harmful for >an adult person to spend several paragraphs berating "nerds" > > ...snip... > I'd like to point out that this is a comedy site, and that this particular column is called "Your Band Sucks", and its entire point is to mock every type of music and every band. Honestly, people without a sense of humor should stay off the internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:32:02 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG On 6/24/05, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > >>> Someone be hating on They Might Be Giants > >>> > >>> http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2987 > >> > >> ...snip... > >> > >> Wondering if the author of the above piece can make either of those claims > >> (or even if he's a real doctor), > > > >What I wonder is why the guy apparently thinks it's less harmful for > >an adult person to spend several paragraphs berating "nerds" > > > > ...snip... > > > > I'd like to point out that this is a comedy site, and that this particular column is called "Your Band Sucks", and its entire point is to mock every type of music and every band. > > Honestly, people without a sense of humor should stay off the internet. They should especially avoid writing for any site billed as a "comedy site." - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "don't mine me" Subject: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? Saith Andy: >> I'm not finding any 2005 releases exciting me, at all, so that's a prominent reason for asking. << Long's about November, I'm always scratching my head, wondering what the heck it was I couldn't hear enough of back in April. This year I decided to keep a running list to make those year-end assessments a l'il easier, and here it is, warts and suspect judgments and all. The Barton and Audible records are especially commended to members of this here list: http://www.summervillain.com/blurgh/content/2005/05/contendahs/ The Innaway record won't be on my year's best list, or even close, but I think some of you might like it anyway. I reviewed it: http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/music/i/innaway.php - -- the artist formerly known as formerly Please don't write me back at this address; this is an outgoing-mail-only address, because addresses I use to post to archived mailing lists aren't safe from spammers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:43:50 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the past ain't what it used to be Roger Winston wrote: > > Latre. --Rog (must now go check out eBay for collectibles from the > ??? domestic?? suburban?? '50s) Jet Age, Rog. Jet Age. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:18:59 -0700 From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? On 6/24/05, don't mine me wrote: > Long's about November, I'm always scratching my head, wondering what the > heck it was I couldn't hear enough of back in April. This year I decided I rip everything I buy, and I turned anal on my metatags, so I can always see my 2005 purchases. Here are my highlights so far, in alphabetical order: Architecture in Helsinki Bloc Party Damon & Naomi Fiery Furnaces Low Lucksmiths Mountain Goats Of Montreal Outrageous Cherry Decemberists Trampled by Turtles At this rate, I'm going to have a really hard time come December. Biggest disappointments: Aimee Mann, Kathleen Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:56:59 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? I don't feel like doing any ranking until the year's end, so here are fifteen very-good-to-excellent albums from this year: Bloc Party, SILENT ALARM Bright Eyes, DIGITAL ASH IN A DIGITAL URN Bright Eyes, I'M WIDE AWAKE IT'S MORNING Epoxies, STOP THE FUTURE Christine Fellows, PAPER ANNIVERSARY Emm Gryner, SONGS OF LOVE & DEATH Aimee Mann, THE FORGOTTEN ARM Matt Pond PA, WINTER SONGS The Mountain Goats, THE SUNSET TREE The Shout Out Louds, HOWL HOWL GAFF GAFF Regina Spektor, SOVIET KITSCH Stars, SET YOURSELF ON FIRE Maria Taylor, 11:11 The Weekend, BEATBOX MY HEART Youth Group, SKELETON JAR Notable disappointments: Billy Corgan, THEFUTUREEMBRACE Kathleen Edwards, BACK TO ME Ben Folds, SONGS FOR SILVERMAN Belated 2004 discoveries: Ming & Ping, MINGPING.COM Ms. John Soda, NO P. OR D. Tegan & Sara, SO JEALOUS Information on any of the above, of course, available upon request. Jer Help Make Poverty History  Sign the ONE Declaration: http://www.care2.com/go/z/endpoverty http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:09:18 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? On 6/24/05, jer fairall wrote: > Notable disappointments: > > Billy Corgan, THEFUTUREEMBRACE Winner also of the "Pink Floyd Rejected This Album Cover Idea in 1974" prize - I don't know if it's the main cover image, but some of the ads for it feature a humongous disembodied hand placed hat-like over Corgan's egglike head. Ugh. - -- ...Jeff, whose expectations for any Corgan-related project these days would so low that "disappointment" would be extremely unlikely. Although if it were entirely instrumental, that might improve it. The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:57:17 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mid-year Top Tens? Another fantastic year for pop. In no order: Cass McCombs PREfection Lucksmiths Warmer Corners Spoon Gimme Fiction Teenage Fanclub Man-Made Oasis Don't Believe The Truth Richard Buckner/Jon Langford Sir Dark Fanglord... Go-Betweens Oceans Apart Josh Rouse Nashville Outrageous Cherry Our Love Will Save The World Eric Matthews Six Kinds of Passion... Pernice Brothers Discover A Lovelier You Trashcan Sinatras Fez House of Love Days Run Away John Vanderslice Pixel Revolt M.I.A. Arular I kind of like the new White Stripes and Ryan Adams as well. Great reissues this year, too. My favorite so far is the really weird self-titled album by Terry Melcher. But also: Merry Go Round Listen Listen Kirsty MacColl Kite Cardinal s/t David Bowie Stage The new Missy Elliot single is fantastic. And I like that Ashlee Simpson song, LaLa, too. B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:30:57 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] mid-year Okay, here's my current top, um... 11, sort of in order. The top 2 have been solid for a while now. I have a batch of new stuff on the way, courtesy of birthday money, and a few things that haven't gotten a fair listen yet, like the new Caribou and Innaway. ...and you will know us by the Trail of Dead- Worlds Apart The Golden Republic- s/t Queens of the Stone Age- Lullabies to Paralyze Hater- The 2nd Alaska!- Rescue Through Tomahawk Hood- Outside Closer The Capitol Years- Let Them Drink Spoon- Gimme Fiction Doves- Some Cities The Go-Betweens- Oceans Apart Beck- Guero Biggest disappointment so far: Athlete- Tourist. "Modern Mafia" is such a cool song, but it's the only thing of its ilk on the album. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:58:30 +0000 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] midyear top tens My 2005 favorites, roughly in order: Sage Francis, A HEALTHY DISTRUST System of a Down, MEZMERIZE Tori Amos, THE BEEKEEPER Decemberists, PICARESQUE Fiery Furnaces, EP Mountain Goats, THE SUNSET TREE Architecture in Helsinki, IN CASE WE DIE Beck, GUERO Pedestrian, UN-INDIAN SONGS Low, THE GREAT DESTROYER I suspect that Count Zero's LITTLE MINDS and Head of Femur's HYSTERICAL STARS will emerge among my favorites, given my extreme fondness for their past work - and Head of Femur, with their cheerful maximalism, should be loud-fan friendly to a degree i'm not seeing reflected in conversation so far. That said, so far i've heard these new albums twice each and can't say much about them. cheers, - - Brian ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #158 *******************************