From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #143 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 7 2005 Volume 05 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] spoon [Jeff ] [loud-fans] Attn: Aaron Milenski [Jeff ] RE: [loud-fans] Attn: Aaron Milenski ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] Nina Gordon ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Nina Gordon [Michael Zwirn ] RE: [loud-fans] Nina Gordon ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop ["Stewart Mason" ] [loud-fans] As discussed for a while here... [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop [A52boy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:44:53 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spoon On 6/5/05, Jeff wrote: > On 6/5/05, Dan Sallitt wrote: > > > i don't think i saw this on-list ... > > > spoon has alternate (demo) versions of 4 tracks from their current "gimmie > > > fiction" release available for download: > > > http://www.spoontheband.com/site.html > > > > I bought GIMME FICTION at www.bn.com, and got a separate disc with these > > four tracks. - Dan > > They're not the same four tracks. A/B-ing them, it turns out both "I Summon You" and the version of "Sister Jack" that's labeled something like 2Vs1c are the same as on the 4-track EP. The other "Sister Jack," then, is the only thing you need if you have the EP. Consumer update. Whoo.hoo. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:06:11 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: [loud-fans] Attn: Aaron Milenski I seem to recall that Aaron's a fan of the Shivvers - Said the Gramophone has a cover of that band's "Teen Line" by the Swedish act Hello Saferide. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:13:41 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Attn: Aaron Milenski Yow, that got my attention. >I seem to recall that Aaron's a fan of the Shivvers - Said the >Gramophone has a cover of that band's >"Teen Line" by the Swedish act Hello Saferide. A couple years back a CD came out with about an hour's worth of unreleased Shivvers stuff. It was pretty cool. You gotta love when these obscure Swedish bands discover obscure US power pop bands and cover their songs... The Shivvers are possibly the only powerpop band of the 70s to have a female songwriter. I can't even really think of any from the 80s, either. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:43:31 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop > > The Shivvers are possibly the only powerpop band of the 70s > > to have a female songwriter. I can't even really think of any > > from the 80s, either. >The Bangles don't count? Hmmm, guess I never thought of them as "power pop," with ALL OVER THE PLACE being almost retro-60s and subsequent albums being really mainstream. But...you're right. "Hero Takes A Fall," "James," etc... are grade-A pop/powerpop. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:53:32 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop On Jun 6, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Aaron Milenski wrote: >> > The Shivvers are possibly the only powerpop band of the 70s >> > to have a female songwriter. I can't even really think of any >> > from the 80s, either. > >> The Bangles don't count? > > Hmmm, guess I never thought of them as "power pop," with > ALL OVER THE PLACE being almost retro-60s and subsequent > albums being really mainstream. > > But...you're right. "Hero Takes A Fall," "James," etc... are > grade-A pop/powerpop. > > 'Til Tuesday? Blake Babies? Shams? (very end of the 1980s-early 1990s) Syd Straw? Tallulah Gosh? Surely some of these must meet the definitions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:01:36 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: [loud-fans] Nina Gordon Nina Gordon sings Straight Outta Compton: http://www.ninagordon.com/audio/straightouttacompton.mp3 You know you want it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:48:02 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop >'Til Tuesday? >Blake Babies? >Shams? (very end of the 1980s-early 1990s) >Syd Straw? >Tallulah Gosh? >Surely some of these must meet the definitions. Not really (though I haven't heard the Shams)...I'm going by a pretty strict definition of power pop and being guitar- based, upbeat, focused on vocal melody, and in the tradition of early Beatles, early Who, etc... These artists all did something different (and arguably much more interesting) than that. I suppose this discussion could degenerate into a discussion of what is and what isn't powerpop, which I'd like to avoid. I was just suggesting that within the narrow boundaries of the form, very few women made the music (and, sorry to say, but my experience has been that powerpop fans are every bit as sexist as typical ARO/Metal fans...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:56:09 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nina Gordon On Jun 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > Nina Gordon sings Straight Outta Compton: > > http://www.ninagordon.com/audio/straightouttacompton.mp3 > Wow. Anyway, following that link I also found the following list-relevant curio item: http://download.wbr.com/ninagordon/audio/collaborations-softesttip.mp3 Yes, it's what you think, and oddly it's the full song. Does Warner Bros. has to get permission for that sorta thing? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:58:39 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Nina Gordon Mr. Zwirn: >Anyway, following that link I also found the following list-relevant >curio item: >http://download.wbr.com/ninagordon/audio/collaborations-softesttip.mp3 The full Nina Gordon downloady stuff page is: http://www.ninagordon.com/sightsandsounds.html No idea as to the permission or lack thereof from WB. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:00:01 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] female powerpop - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Milenski" > >'Til Tuesday? >>Blake Babies? >>Shams? (very end of the 1980s-early 1990s) >>Syd Straw? >>Tallulah Gosh? > >>Surely some of these must meet the definitions. > > Not really (though I haven't heard the Shams). And for that matter, Tallulah Gosh don't count because unless I'm misremembering hugely, Amelia Fletcher didn't have much of a hand in the songwriting in that band, which I believe was mostly done by her brother Mathew and the excellently-named Peter Momtchiloff. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:34:03 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] As discussed for a while here... LOS ANGELES--Rhino Records' critically acclaimed Nuggets series rocks the cradle with its third installment, CHILDREN OF NUGGETS: ORIGINAL ARTYFACTS FROM THE SECOND PSYCHEDELIC ERA 1976-1996. This four-disc set celebrates the diverse range of post-punk underground music influenced by the garage rock and psychedelic anthems featured on the original Nuggets collection. 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