From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #108 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, April 30 2005 Volume 05 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? ["Keegstra,] Re: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? [Jeff <] RE: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? ["Keegs] RE: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? ["Keegs] Re: [loud-fans] No Scott !/ Yes - walking and 'running' robot [zoom@mupp] [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data [minemeno@an] [loud-fans] Little Hits ["Larry Tucker" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:17:50 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? Someone, very possibly eMusic, is offering to sell their customers' data. http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/28/epic_asks_which_digi.html Note from eMusic's Terms of Service: You may "opt out" of such disclosure(s) to the extent they include your personally identifiable information by sending an email at any time to service@emusic.com indicating your intent to do so. Just saying. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:41:29 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? On 4/29/05, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > Someone, very possibly eMusic, is offering to sell their customers' data. > > http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/28/epic_asks_which_digi.html > > Note from eMusic's Terms of Service: > > You may "opt out" of such disclosure(s) to the extent they include your personally identifiable information by sending an email at any time to service@emusic.com indicating your intent to do so. It does seem likely that this is eMusic...but what puzzles me is this (from the link you cite): "The 'datacard' [concerning the info sale] says that the company has race, age, gender, religion, and income information on the subscribers." Really? If eMusic has any of those things, they have them by implication...certainly, I don't recall mentioning my religion in anything I've filled out for eMusic. I don't really recall filling out *any* of that - although the usual demographic surveys these things sometimes ask for (which I generally either ignore or intentionally fill out incorrectly, as an 93-year-old Albanian billionaire) rarely if ever include religion as a category. Very strange. In more directly musical news, the new The New Pornographers CD (that was fun to write) isn't out till August - but Matador has an mp3 up already. Go here and find it about 1/3 down the page. The link on the main Matador page doesn't appear to work. Incidentally, I went to the Matador page looking for something else, but once I got there I totally forgot what it was. Perhaps I was looking for "Matlock" videos, or plaid Bermuda shorts, or a metal detector. Geez. currently on iTunes: The Clientele _Suburban Light_ - -- ...Jeff hardly working The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:05 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? >"The 'datacard' [concerning the info sale] says that the company >has race, age, gender, religion, and income information on the >subscribers." They may well have sent it through one of the correlating database service houses (like ChoicePoint) to match up what they have with the additional information. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:56:20 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data? Ya know, now that I look at the Direct Marketing News link and see the variety of data for sale, I'm coming to the conclusion that *everyone* wants to sell your data: - -This file contains individuals who have purchased an iPod MP3 player. Selects: more than 2.1 million total file, 3-month hotline, geography, income, age, gender, marital status, mail order buyer, magazine subscriber, computer owner, donor, ethnicity, religion, book buyer, credit card holder, homeowner, length of residence and age of child present. - -This file contains buyers who have turned to the clairvoyant Samantha for insight in realizing their dearest dreams. - -This file contains individuals who have purchased or inquired about purchasing a weapon because they are afraid of being attacked or robbed in their homes or elsewhere by criminals. - -This file contains dot com enthusiasts who are spending money on the Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Scott !/ Yes - walking and 'running' robot > This I just had to send - if you got the bandwidth, > watch the movies (link is just below the top splash > image) - this child-sized, humanoid-shaped robot > moves, walks - and runs - seriously creeped me out for > 24hrs... I'll have to tell my Furbys about it! So does "Sad And Lonely" from Sad Machines feature the most Scott-like vocal in years or what? Andy SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who outraged some Mexican-American groups last week by calling for a closed border, praised the civilian volunteer Minuteman Project for its patrols to spot illegal immigrants. "Look, they've cut down the crossing of illegal immigrants by a huge percentage," Schwarzenegger told KFI-AM's "The John & Ken Show" on Thursday. The Republican governor accused the federal government of failing to control the border and said it encouraged illicit crossers by giving them access to water. "The whole system is set up to really invite people to come in here illegally, and that has to stop," he said. The Minuteman Project involves hundreds of volunteers, some armed, who have been patrolling the Mexico-Arizona border since April 1 to document and report illegal crossings. Chris Simcox, a Minuteman organizer, welcomed Schwarzenegger's support. "It's gratifying to see that elected officials are responding to the will of the people," he said. There are plans to expand the patrols to California in June, a move Schwarzenegger "does not oppose," said Margita Thompson, his press secretary. President Bush has denounced the volunteers as vigilantes. Nativo V. Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association, called Schwarzenegger's comments Thursday "nothing short of base racism." "Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them," he said. Schwarzenegger's press secretary called the issue a matter of national security. "It's not racist to ask the federal government to enforce its laws," Thompson said. Schwarzenegger's comments came a week after he faced criticism for telling a gathering of newspaper publishers that the United States needed to "close the borders." He apologized the next day, blaming faulty English and saying he really meant the borders should be secured. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that about 11 million illegal immigrants live in the United States, half of whom come from Mexico. California is home to 2.4 million, far more than any other state. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: [loud-fans] which digital music service is selling your data I got a very apologetic note from eMusic service within a handful of hours of my email this morning, which acknowledges my updated privcay preferences and further states the eMusic has not rented nor sold its membership list, nor has any immediate plans to do so. Reading between the lines a little, I get the impression that the boingboing story was a major PR disaster for them. I'm heartened that they seem to be taking it so seriously. Not that it sounds like Game Theory or anything, but I followed up on a recommendation for Great Lakes Myth Society, and I'm not sorry. I feel like there's an obvious sounds-like that I'm spacing on, but it's moody folk rock osrta stuff. The new record from Gem (Doug Gillard) is another recent addition. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via www.antithetical.org/minemeno ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:45:53 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Little Hits Be prepared to get totally lost in all the cool stuff at this blog. WOW! http://www.littlehits.com/ Larry ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #108 *******************************