From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #107 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, April 29 2005 Volume 05 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Groovies ["Michael W. Zwirn" ] Re: [loud-fans] Groovies [Michael Zwirn ] Fwd: [loud-fans] Groovies [Mike Curley ] Fwd: [loud-fans] Groovies [Mike Curley ] Re: [loud-fans] Groovies [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] No Scott !/ Yes - walking and 'running' robot [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Groovies [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Groovies [A52boy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:39:46 -0700 From: "Michael W. Zwirn" Subject: [loud-fans] Groovies Anyone here knowledgeable about the Flamin' Groovies back catalogue? I'd been vaguely curious about them for awhile but never picked up anything until yesterday - I saw a double-CD compilation, very cheap, with one CD of studio and one of live tracks. I brought it home and found the liner notes almost nonexistent, and I'm wondering if I got re-recorded stuff rather than original versions of the songs. In particular, "Shake Some Action" doesn't sound like the version I have on the DIY American Power Pop series. The album is called The Flamin' Groovies Collection, PF #2057. Any info? Allmusic.com isn't very helpful. Michael P.S. on the "Why We Don't Live in Mauritania" front: Hundreds of students protest visit by Shalom to Mauritania By The Associated Press MAURITANIA - Hundreds of students rallied Wednesday to protest an upcoming visit by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom to the desert West African nation of Mauritania, one of only three Arab League countries with full relations with Israel. About 300 students gathered at a university in the capital, Nouakchott, shouting anti-Israel slogans ahead of the visit, which is scheduled for May 3. "No to the opportunistic visit of this criminal in the land of Islam! No to the normalization with the Zionist entity!" rally organizer Moulaye Ould Mohameden shouted to the crowd. Nearby riot police prevented the students from marching in the streets of Nouakchott, where Israel has a heavily guarded embassy. Mauritania, an Arab-dominated West African nation straddling black and Arab Africa, opened full diplomatic relations with Israel in the 1990s despite widespread objections at home. Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania are the only nations in the 22-member Arab League to have diplomatic relations with Israel. President Maaoya Sid'Ahmed Ould Taya's impoverished regime has increasingly looked for allies in the West after supporting Iraq's ex-dictator Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War. - --------------------- Michael W. Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com (t) 503-234-3901 (c) 503-887-9800 http://zwirn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:08:26 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Groovies Aaron wrote the long and helpful response below - thanks so much - and I would respond by saying the version of "Shake Some Action" is actually rougher, rockier, than the one on the DIY American Power Pop compilation. At least, insofar as I recall. Michael On Apr 28, 2005, at 11:53 AM, Aaron Milenski wrote: >> In >> particular, "Shake Some Action" doesn't sound like the version I have >> on the DIY American Power Pop series. The album is called The Flamin' >> Groovies Collection, PF #2057. Any info? > > I don't know this album at all, but recently an early version (1973?) > of the song has surfaced. It's very nice and has a wonderful jangly > guitar sound, but is significantly different from the officially > released > 1976 version (and it's shorter.) Cyril Jordan claims to much prefer > this first version, which may be why it's been put on an album called > "Collection?" > > I just dug up a track listing for this album, and it sure is a weird > mix of stuff...including some non-LP tracks, a few songs from > their early Roy Loney-led albums, and a lot of cover versions. > > The problem with the Groovies is that their catalogue has been > recycled so many times that there's no coherence to any > collections. My rceommendations for the Groovies are to > just buy the best albums from their two periods: TEENAGE > HEAD from the Loney days and SHAKE SOME ACTION from > the Jordan days. I wish some enterprising reissue label > would do us all a favor and make a CD of only the original songs > from the Jordan days--the three albums, SHAKS SOME ACTION, > NOW and JUMPIN IN THE NIGHT, are about half-and-half originals/ > covers, and as far as I'm concerned every single one of the covers > is a waste of vinyl. > > > - --------------------- Michael W. Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com (t) 503-234-3901 (c) 503-887-9800 http://zwirn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fwd: [loud-fans] Groovies The Groovies catalog is full of numerous compilations with all the same songs mixed in with a lot of live recordings. To complicate things more, a lot of them contain some alternate versions that were recorded with a different (and inferior) line-up in Australia some time in the '80's. I can recommend "Groovies' Greatest Grooves" as a great starting point. It concentrates on their classic 1976-1979 era (Shake Some Action, Now!, and Jumpin' in the Night), with a few of their older classics (Slow Death, Teenage Head) thrown in for good measure. Mike "Michael W. Zwirn" wrote: To: Loudfans From: "Michael W. Zwirn" Subject: [loud-fans] Groovies Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:39:46 -0700 Anyone here knowledgeable about the Flamin' Groovies back catalogue? I'd been vaguely curious about them for awhile but never picked up anything until yesterday - I saw a double-CD compilation, very cheap, with one CD of studio and one of live tracks. I brought it home and found the liner notes almost nonexistent, and I'm wondering if I got re-recorded stuff rather than original versions of the songs. In particular, "Shake Some Action" doesn't sound like the version I have on the DIY American Power Pop series. The album is called The Flamin' Groovies Collection, PF #2057. Any info? Allmusic.com isn't very helpful. Michael P.S. on the "Why We Don't Live in Mauritania" front: Hundreds of students protest visit by Shalom to Mauritania By The Associated Press MAURITANIA - Hundreds of students rallied Wednesday to protest an upcoming visit by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom to the desert West African nation of Mauritania, one of only three Arab League countries with full relations with Israel. About 300 students gathered at a university in the capital, Nouakchott, shouting anti-Israel slogans ahead of the visit, which is scheduled for May 3. "No to the opportunistic visit of this criminal in the land of Islam! No to the normalization with the Zionist entity!" rally organizer Moulaye Ould Mohameden shouted to the crowd. Nearby riot police prevented the students from marching in the streets of Nouakchott, where Israel has a heavily guarded embassy. Mauritania, an Arab-dominated West African nation straddling black and Arab Africa, opened full diplomatic relations with Israel in the 1990s despite widespread objections at home. Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania are the only nations in the 22-member Arab League to have diplomatic relations with Israel. President Maaoya Sid'Ahmed Ould Taya's impoverished regime has increasingly looked for allies in the West after supporting Iraq's ex-dictator Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War. - --------------------- Michael W. Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com (t) 503-234-3901 (c) 503-887-9800 http://zwirn.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fwd: [loud-fans] Groovies If it's louder and rockier than the DIY American Power Pop Version, then it is almost definitely the Australian version from the "One Night Stand" album. Some more corroborating evidence: track 6 from the collection you bought is "Bittersweet," a cover of the Hoodoo Gurus song, and it's from the same Australian session. I'm not a big fan of the Australian sessions, and I would definintely agree that either the Roy Loney era albums (Teenage Head and Flamingo) or the Sire records (Shake Some Action, Now!, and Jumpin' in the Night) or the Groovies Greatest Grooves compilation (which relies more on Cyril Jordan orginals than on covers) are much better places to start. Mike Michael Zwirn wrote: CC: Loudfans From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Groovies Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:08:26 -0700 To: "Aaron Milenski" Aaron wrote the long and helpful response below - thanks so much - and I would respond by saying the version of "Shake Some Action" is actually rougher, rockier, than the one on the DIY American Power Pop compilation. At least, insofar as I recall. Michael Yahoo! 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Thanks much for the info, Mike and Aaron. n.p. Steve Miller Band, "Rock'n Me Baby" in the coffeeshop where I'm sittiing. - --------------------- Michael W. Zwirn, michael@zwirn.com (t) 503-234-3901 (c) 503-887-9800 http://zwirn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] No Scott !/ Yes - walking and 'running' robot This I just had to send - if you got the bandwidth, watch the movies (link is just below the top splash image) - this child-sized, humanoid-shaped robot moves, walks - and runs - seriously creeped me out for 24hrs... http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/ robert http://www.angrylambie.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:34:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Groovies Mike: > If it's louder and rockier than the DIY American Power Pop Version, > then it is almost definitely the Australian version from the "One > Night Stand" album. Those ONE NIGHT STAND sessions have been reissued a ton of times under different names, along with a live set by the same band that's on emusic as "Flamin' Groovies Live". These collections are normally super-cheap ($10 or less for a two-disc set) but it's best to leave them be unless you're some sort of a weirdo completist. As Mike says, the inclusion of "Bittersweet" or "Call Me Lightning" is a dead giveaway.. Aaron: > I don't know this album at all, but recently an early version (1973?) > of the song has surfaced. It's very nice and has a wonderful jangly > guitar sound, but is significantly different from the officially > released > 1976 version (and it's shorter.) Cyril Jordan claims to much prefer > this first version, which may be why it's been put on an album called > "Collection?" Cyril doesn't have any control over these reissues -- they're all licensed by the Australian AIM label, and usually feature the 80s stuff along with the Sneakers ep and the Rockfield sessions sometimes. The alternate version of "SSA" is from a single and was also on a Norton CD called SLOW DEATH, which also has the only CD appearance of "When I Heard Your Name" (the great "Shake Some Action" B-side), and some lo-fi outtakes from the early 70s. Well worth picking up. Aaron again: > I wish some enterprising reissue label > would do us all a favor and make a CD of only the original songs > from the Jordan days--the three albums, SHAKE SOME ACTION, > NOW and JUMPIN IN THE NIGHT, are about half-and-half originals/ > covers, and as far as I'm concerned every single one of the covers > is a waste of vinyl. The GROOVIES GREATEST GROOVES cd contains all the original songs from the Sire (Chris Wilson) era, plus a few covers. NOW and JUMPIN' IN THE NIGHT were reissued by SPK, and there was some talk about reissuing the entire Sire catalog on Rhino Homemade but that's probably not going to happen. The US and UK versions of the albums have different track listings, and it would be great to get a multidisc set of everything. And I must disagree about every single Groovies' cover being a waste of vinyl -- I just got the CD reissues of NOW and JUMPIN' IN THE NIGHT, and their Byrds' covers in particular ("5D", "Ladyfriend", "Feel A Whole Lot Better") sound tons better in 2005 than the Byrds originals. Truly awe-inspiring. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:07:00 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Groovies In a message dated 4/28/05 3:10:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@zwirn.com writes: My rceommendations for the Groovies are to > just buy the best albums from their two periods: TEENAGE > HEAD from the Loney days Is "Gimme Gimme Teenage Head" by Primal Scream a nod to the Groovies? Inquiring minds wanna know, - --Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #107 *******************************