From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #101 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, April 22 2005 Volume 05 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... [A52boy@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... [Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... On 4/21/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/21/05 2:02:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > I know. I'm sure there are few of those around. The competition for > paying jobs in the Communications field is quite cut-throat. If you love your job > and it relates to your field and you GET PAID and can make it on what you > get paid, then you have it made, and you shouldn't ever whine. I was going to write a whole thing about the difference between types of whines - you know, it's a bad pun, and parodying wine terminology - but I decided, eh, why bother. So instead I wrote this even more pointless, and arguably less amusing, post. But at least I'm not whining. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:51:02 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... What exactly is "le pastie de la bourgeoisie" supposed to mean? Do you mean "pastis", the licorice-flavored drink, or is this "pastie" something I'm not aware of? If it's "partie", it should be *la* partie, and it would be "soirie" (or "party") anyway. If it's "partie" as in "a part of", then your sentence is incomplete. I doubt that using Belle and Sebastian as a reference for French won't lead you astray. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:27:08 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... In a message dated 4/21/05 11:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gasp@aga.ca writes: I doubt that using Belle and Sebastian as a reference for French won't lead you astray. Richard I did some searching on this before creating that subject line, and pastie is French for potted meat (only three for a franc at Bon Marche!). No, it's supposed to be sort of like a casserole or meatloaf made from bits of once obscure Scottish pop bands pre-Matador output. Research I did on the web before making that subject line showed that there are different types, but I found a definition: The pasty came from England, where the miners took them in their lunches. They would put the pasties in their shovels and heat them over a lantern to have a hot lunch.These meat, potatoes, carrots, onion, rutabaga or turnip pastries, were easily eaten with the hands. The tradition was brought to the Upper Peninsula by immigrants who worked in the copper and iron mines. The mines don't exist anymore, but the pasty lives on. Accompaniments to the pasty vary, some preferring pasties topped with beef gravy. Others prefer catsup, pickle relish or chutney, or eaten plain while still warm and flaky. Another site said this same thing, but said they were Scottish in origin, which ties in nicely with the origins of said beloved pop band. I'd love to try a pastie. Whatever a pastie is, I understand it as being like, the Hardee's Thickburger of the English working class. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:18:07 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... On 4/21/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/21/05 11:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gasp@aga.ca > writes: > > I doubt that using Belle and Sebastian as a reference for French won't > lead you astray. > > Richard > > I did some searching on this before creating that subject line, and pastie > is French for potted meat (only three for a franc at Bon Marche!). And is originally most likely a pun on (warning: bad French follows) "l'epater la bourgeoisie" or whatever that phrase is (i.e., the notion of shocking the middle-class...). But then, I imagine art-historical references in the execrable "B.C."*...so what do I know... - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com * a recent strip made some reference to the Mona Lisa in hot pants...I took that as referring to Duchamp's take-off on the painting where he scrawled a mustache and the letters "L.H.O.O.Q." ("Elle a chaud au cul"; she has a hot ass) on a cheap reproduction of the painting... It was probably completely accidental, a bit of hot gas escaping from the molten lava pits that constitute Johnny Hart's brain these days. I wouldn't have read the strip, but for the wonderful "Comics Curmudgeon" website . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:33:26 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... A52boy@aol.com wrote: > I'd love to >try a pastie. >Whatever a pastie is, I understand it as being like, the Hardee's >Thickburger of the English working class. > > Not quite. Generally more pastry than filling and much smaller than a Thickburger. I used to make them and I'm sure you can find recipes online. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... > * a recent strip made some reference to the Mona Lisa in hot pants...I > took that as referring to Duchamp's take-off on the painting where he > scrawled a mustache and the letters "L.H.O.O.Q." ("Elle a chaud au > cul"; she has a hot ass) on a cheap reproduction of the painting... It > was probably completely accidental, a bit of hot gas escaping from the > molten lava pits that constitute Johnny Hart's brain these days. I > wouldn't have read the strip, but for the wonderful "Comics > Curmudgeon" website . Which lead me to wonder, is the mighty "Comics I Don't Understand" page still doing business? It is. http://www.comicsidontunderstand.com/ And look what he's showcasing this month... Plus, learn why Robert Blake was acquitted! Next you'll tell me Chef Brockett from "Mister Rogers" played one of Hannibal Lecter's cell-wing mates, Andy Pope Benedict XVI Gets E-Mail Address Thu Apr 21, 1:52 PM ET Europe - AP By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI had an Internet fan club even when he was cardinal. Now the Vatican has taken the logical next step by giving him a papal e-mail address. The Holy See hasn't said how many messages the pope has gotten, but if the late John Paul II's experience with a multimedia ministry is any guide, the new leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics will have an inbox jammed with prayers, problems and pet peeves. On Thursday, the Vatican modified its Web site so users who click on a "Greetings to the Holy Father" icon on the home page automatically activate an e-mail composer with his address in the send field. The address for messages in English is benedictxvi@vatican.va. There are also addresses for e-mails in Italian, Spanish, French, German and Portuguese. Benedict's e-mail isn't the only address generating interest in an online world. The pope's election triggered a mad scramble among people eager to register with various incarnations of his name on free e-mail providers such as Yahoo! and Microsoft Corp.'s Hotmail, British Broadcasting Corp. reported Thursday. And there is action on the Web, too. At one point Thursday, bidding on eBay surpassed $1,175 for "PopeBenedictXVI.com"  a Web domain name being peddled by an enterprising soul from Ontario, Canada. John Paul was the first pope to use e-mail, a medium that made its debut during his 26-year papacy. The Vatican said he received tens of thousands of messages in his final weeks as he struggled with illness. The Vatican even sent an e-mail to journalists to announce John Paul's death April 2. It's unclear how much, if any, e-mail Benedict receives will be answered by him or a member of his staff. When John Paul was hospitalized, a spokesman for the clinic caring for him said that the pope was shown some of the e-mails and that all of the messages he received would get an official response. In 2001, sitting in the Vatican's frescoed Clementine Hall, John Paul used a laptop to tap out an apology for Roman Catholic missionary abuses against indigenous peoples of the South Pacific. The Holy See often issues news or documents to journalists via e-mail, and its labyrinth of obscure offices and councils are on the Web in a half dozen languages. Even the Sistine Chapel with its famed art collection offers a virtual tour. Long before Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elevated to pope this week, an online fan club sang his praises and offered souvenirs with the slogan: "Putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981." That's when the doctrinal hard-liner became head of the Vatican's powerful Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. A message on the club's home page greets visitors and describes the unofficial fan site as "our little way of expressing our thanks and moral support for the man once known as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI." "These are the kinds of things that can be modern at church," a message from one visitor reads. "Some people don't know it's perfectly possible to be technologically `advanced' and follow the road our Lord established 2,005 years ago." While John Paul embraced the new communications technology as a useful tool in the church's efforts to spread the Gospel, he took a cautious approach to e-mail and the Internet. He spoke out against the proliferation of online pornography and hate speech, and he said the industry's needs to police itself and meet the "ethical and spiritual challenges" raised as communications technology evolves. "Its misuse can do untold harm, giving rise to misunderstanding, prejudice and even conflict," he said in a January message marking the 29th World Communications Day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:41:03 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Speaking of fact checking... Well, Mark, my issue with your whole theory is that I cannot find "pastie" in any French dictionaries, so it's just an English word that sounded French to you. I'm afraid it isn't french for *anything*, really, except online, which hardly trumps Larousse and Le Grand Robert. Besides, it sure doesn't sound like bourgeois food, wouldn't you agree? Resident list frog Richard On 21 avr. 2005, at 01:27 pm, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/05 11:24:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gasp@aga.ca writes: >> I doubt that using Belle and Sebastian as a reference for French won't >> lead you astray. >> >> Richard > I did some searching on this before creating that subject line, and > pastie is French for potted meat (only three for a franc at Bon > Marche!). > > No, it's supposed to be sort of like a casserole or meatloaf made from > bits of once obscure Scottish pop bands pre-Matador output. > > Research I did on the web before making that subject line showed that > there are different types, but I found a definition: > > The pasty came from England, where the miners took them in their > lunches. They would put the pasties in their shovels and heat them > over a lantern to have a hot lunch.These meat, potatoes, carrots, > onion, rutabaga or turnip pastries, were easily eaten with the hands. > > The tradition was brought to the Upper Peninsula by immigrants who > worked in the copper and iron mines. The mines don't exist anymore, > but the pasty lives on. > > Accompaniments to the pasty vary, some preferring pasties topped with > beef gravy. Others prefer catsup, pickle relish or chutney, or eaten > plain while still warm and flaky. > > > > Another site said this same thing, but said they were Scottish in > origin, which ties in nicely with the origins of said beloved pop > band. I'd love to try a pastie. > > Whatever a pastie is, I understand it as being like, the Hardee's > Thickburger of the English working class. > > --Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #101 *******************************