From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #99 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 20 2005 Volume 05 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic ["Stewart Mason" ] Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic [Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic Check out what Audioscrobbler says are the most played Loud Family songs on their network. If I had been asked to predict the top ten, I wouldn't have guessed any of them. http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/The+Loud+Family The top of the Game Theory list is definitely more populated by the usual suspects, but still interesting. http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Game+Theory OK, that's enough on-topicy goodness for this month. Chris np: Bedhead - Beheaded ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:14:16 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Prew" > The top of the Game Theory list is definitely more populated by the > usual suspects, but still interesting. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Game+Theory I'm kind of surprised by the top ranking of "Friend of the Family." Judging by the list, it seems clear that REAL NIGHTTIME is in fact the most popular Game Theory album, a position I had always assumed was held by THE BIG SHOT CHRONICLES. I admit that my internal list geek has recently become mildly obsessed with Audioscrobbler... S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:36:35 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic On 4/19/05, Chris Prew wrote: > Check out what Audioscrobbler says are the most played Loud Family > songs on their network. If I had been asked to predict the top ten, I > wouldn't have guessed any of them. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/The+Loud+Family Not too surprised at "Soul Drain," actually - that's a catchy little number. But apparently the emphasis track from IBC shoulda been "Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet-Talk" - that would've rocketed the album to the top of the charts for sure. Who knew? (either that or lotsa LF fans listen in shuffle-mode...) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:55:27 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic > I'm kind of surprised by the top ranking of "Friend of the Family." > Judging by the list, it seems clear that REAL NIGHTTIME is in fact the > most popular Game Theory album, a position I had always assumed was > held by THE BIG SHOT CHRONICLES. > > I admit that my internal list geek has recently become mildly obsessed > with Audioscrobbler... > > S > > The surprise for me was how well songs from Linda did on the Louds side. Shocked, I tell you! Stewart? A list geek? Who woulda thunk it! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:11:44 +0300 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Mason" >> The top of the Game Theory list is definitely more populated by the >> usual suspects, but still interesting. >> >> http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Game+Theory > > I'm kind of surprised by the top ranking of "Friend of the Family." > Judging by the list, it seems clear that REAL NIGHTTIME is in fact the > most popular Game Theory album, a position I had always assumed was > held by THE BIG SHOT CHRONICLES. > S I've now felt obliged to play Erica's Word out of sympathy! ...followed by the rest of Big Shot. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:13:27 +0300 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic > (either that or lotsa LF fans listen in shuffle-mode...) > ...Jeff That's what I thought at first, but the gods of probability would have to be looking the other way for quite a long time for that to happen. Maybe someone just had it on mega-repeat! Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:22:21 +0300 From: "Richard Blatherwick" Subject: [loud-fans] Worlds apart Jen posted a while ago raving about the new ...Trail of Dead album. I wasn't immediately won over. Source Tags & Codes grew on me last year ending up with me playing it almost exclusively for a couple of weeks, and the new one didn't have another song of the calibre of Another Morning Stoner, imo. Anyway, back to tried and trusted techniques, I've played it pretty much exclusively for the last couple of days - until Chris started talking of Audioscrobbler lists! - and lo and behold it keeps getting better and better. On a totally unrelated topic, I'm visiting Oz and NZ this summer. I have some old haunts of the music-buying variety to visit in NZ, but not having been to Oz before I was wondering if anyone had any reccommendations for good places to check out in any of the big cities? All my business down under, of late, has been through Whammo and Popboomerang. Cheers, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:37:30 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic Chris Prew wrote: > > The top of the Game Theory list is definitely more populated by the > usual suspects, but still interesting. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Game+Theory I'm surprised The Waist and the Knees isn't in there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:52:47 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and ramen) OT www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/04/17/1113676643831.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:10:03 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic This is kind of awesome. How legit is this program? Is it loaded with spyware - beyond its function of spyine on your music list? I guess what I am asking is, "should I download this or is 'the man' going to be learning my credit card numbers if I do?" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:37 AM To: High-Volume Air-Circulation Devices Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic On 4/19/05, Chris Prew wrote: > Check out what Audioscrobbler says are the most played Loud Family > songs on their network. If I had been asked to predict the top ten, I > wouldn't have guessed any of them. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/The+Loud+Family Not too surprised at "Soul Drain," actually - that's a catchy little number. But apparently the emphasis track from IBC shoulda been "Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet-Talk" - that would've rocketed the album to the top of the charts for sure. Who knew? (either that or lotsa LF fans listen in shuffle-mode...) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:27:15 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Blatherwick" >> (either that or lotsa LF fans listen in shuffle-mode...) > >> ...Jeff > > That's what I thought at first, but the gods of probability would > have to be looking the other way for quite a long time for that to > happen. > > Maybe someone just had it on mega-repeat! No, the way these artist lists are compiled, someone playing a song once counts as much as someone playing a song 500 times. Audioscrobbler has a different set-up that counts how much an individual listener listens to a particular song. Apparently, my favorite songs right now are Broken Social Scene's "Anthems For A Seventeen-Year-Old Girl" and the Decemberists' "Sunshine," which in fact, they probably are. All I can think of is that I might be the only person who occasionally sets up their iTunes playlist by ascending length of song, just for the giggles, which means that "Hot Rox" will automatically show up a lot...on the other hand, that would make the untitled songs on D4D show up a lot too. Hell, I dunno. S NP: "Anthems for a Seventeen-Year-Old Girl," now that I'm thinking about it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:46:36 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic I haven't run into any problems...but I'm on a Mac, so... It looks like something built by music geeks, for music geeks. I trust it. Looks like mostly open source stuff, too. It is fun. Once you've played enough songs, you can see what people who have similar tastes to you are playing that you might not be. You can also chat with like-mindeds. Its also kind of interesting to watch your listening patterns. Chris chrispy5 on audioscrobbler, if anybody's interested On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:10 PM, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > This is kind of awesome. How legit is this program? Is it loaded with > spyware - beyond its function of spyine on your music list? I guess > what I > am asking is, "should I download this or is 'the man' going to be > learning > my credit card numbers if I do?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Jeff > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:37 AM > To: High-Volume Air-Circulation Devices > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic > > > On 4/19/05, Chris Prew wrote: >> Check out what Audioscrobbler says are the most played Loud Family >> songs on their network. If I had been asked to predict the top ten, >> I >> wouldn't have guessed any of them. >> >> http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/The+Loud+Family > > Not too surprised at "Soul Drain," actually - that's a catchy little > number. > > But apparently the emphasis track from IBC shoulda been "Hot Rox Avec > Lying Sweet-Talk" - that would've rocketed the album to the top of the > charts for sure. Who knew? > > (either that or lotsa LF fans listen in shuffle-mode...) > > -- > > ...Jeff > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:24:11 -0400 From: "Stewart Mason" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Prew" > It is fun. Once you've played enough songs, you can see what people > who have similar tastes to you are playing that you might not be. > You can also chat with like-mindeds. Its also kind of interesting > to watch your listening patterns. My favorite feature is the Last.FM stream: a playlist of songs geared towards your musical profile (which you can also tweak to make it even more so), which is nice to have on if I'm in the office working on something else and just want to have something on in the background. Plus it's already introduced me to a few artists I didn't know, a couple of whom I've since bought albums by. I'd never heard of Red Snapper before, for instance. > > Chris > > chrispy5 on audioscrobbler, if anybody's interested stewartflamingo, ditto S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:49:33 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic On 4/19/05, Chris Prew wrote: > Check out what Audioscrobbler says are the most played Loud Family > songs on their network. If I had been asked to predict the top ten, I > wouldn't have guessed any of them. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/The+Loud+Family > > The top of the Game Theory list is definitely more populated by the > usual suspects, but still interesting. > > http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Game+Theory > > OK, that's enough on-topicy goodness for this month. > > Chris > > np: Bedhead - Beheaded > Well, AS has been having problems with all of their secondary (non-individual) lists for a while now. That LF list shows user "milkbone" as having played 77 Loud Family songs, when, at last count, he's played almost 500. (Yeah, it's me.) Since I do most of my listening on shuffle, my playlist is largely a reflection of the number of tracks a given artist has in my 18,000 song playlist, and how long they've been there. MB P.S.: Has anyone heard anything by Elizabeth Harper or The Silent League? They're opening for The Trashcan Sinatras at the Mercury Lounge on Saturday, and I'm curious if either of them are absolute do-not-miss acts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and ramen) OT On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 A52boy@aol.com wrote: > www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/04/17/1113676643831.html Wow, can these people whine, or what? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:55:39 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] live at El Mocambo...YEE HAW!! On 4/17/05, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > Not the only album with that problem. Which Velvets live set is the one > largely ruined, or at least undermined, by the asshole yelling for a > Pernod all through at least one side? Said asshole is apparently Jim Carroll. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7948-1203588,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:09:51 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's a Surprise - On Topic On 4/19/05, Stewart Mason wrote: > All I can think of is that I might be the only person who occasionally > sets up their iTunes playlist by ascending length of song, No, you're not. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:38:30 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... In a message dated 4/19/05 7:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: Wow, can these people whine, or what? Well, first of all, I personally don't eat potted meat, but I do love ramen (no whining there). I just created the subject heading because I thought it fitting, and I tried to make it connect with something musical (hence, the Belle and Sebastian reference). It wasn't a personal reflection of my own life (I know I've been accused of extreme self-absorbtion, but I'm not THAT self-absorbed!) Was what you said a joke, referring back to the classic early '90s cliched complaint about Xers by Boomers, or were you serious? If you were serious, why do you think this? I'm interested in your perspective, as well as others who would like to (respectful of the feelings/opinions of others) give their two cents. My sister and brother, both Boomers, have this attitude as well, yet one got a full scholarship for engineering school and the other had a job waiting for her at a hospital as a registered dietician as soon as she graduated from college, so I don't personally understand where they're coming from, why they think this. This list has members of both generations in it, so it would make an interesting thread (I think). - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:23:01 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... On 4/19/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/05 7:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: > > Wow, can these people whine, or what? > I'm interested in your perspective, as well as others who would like to > (respectful of the feelings/opinions of others) give their two cents. My sister > and brother, both Boomers, have this attitude as well, yet one got a full > scholarship for engineering school and the other had a job waiting for her at a > hospital as a registered dietician as soon as she graduated from college, so > I don't personally understand where they're coming from, why they think this. > > This list has members of both generations in it, so it would make an > interesting thread (I think). My problem is with the whole concept of "generations." While it certainly seems likely that *one* influence on a person's attitude is the time in which they grew up, there are so many more pertinent influences - and the dividing line between generations is a completely arbitrary and implausible notion, except perhaps with major issues like WWII or AIDS. As a lefty, of course I'd say that J. Roger "Chip" Worthington III (born 1967) has far more in common with Archibald S. Bucksmaker (born 1982) than he does with Joseph P. Sixpack (born 1967). But a right-winger might say that, for instance, the values one's raised with are far more influential than the happenstance of generation (of course, they would then need to argue that those values are not themselves overly shaped by time and circumstance...to an extent, they're also correct). The larger question is, what's the point of such generational generalizations anyway? Any individual you meet is going to be whoever they are - and assuming that they fit their "generational profile" is about as valid - and as harmful - as assuming the applicability of any other stereotype. (My take is that generation-speak is almost entirely marketing-driven: marketers, more than almost anyone else, need to divvy up and find in common large groups of people with common interests. Most of us have no such need.) Finally, then, Joe's right (in part): it's not about the generation (he didn't say that, or deny it), it's that these folks are paid-in members of the Universal Society of Whiners. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:39:25 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... In a message dated 4/19/05 11:36:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: On 4/19/05, A52boy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/05 7:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: > > Wow, can these people whine, or what? > I'm interested in your perspective, as well as others who would like to > (respectful of the feelings/opinions of others) give their two cents. My sister > and brother, both Boomers, have this attitude as well, yet one got a full > scholarship for engineering school and the other had a job waiting for her at a > hospital as a registered dietician as soon as she graduated from college, so > I don't personally understand where they're coming from, why they think this. > > This list has members of both generations in it, so it would make an > interesting thread (I think). My problem is with the whole concept of "generations." While it certainly seems likely that *one* influence on a person's attitude is the time in which they grew up, there are so many more pertinent influences - and the dividing line between generations is a completely arbitrary and implausible notion, except perhaps with major issues like WWII or AIDS. As a lefty, of course I'd say that J. Roger "Chip" Worthington III (born 1967) has far more in common with Archibald S. Bucksmaker (born 1982) than he does with Joseph P. Sixpack (born 1967). But a right-winger might say that, for instance, the values one's raised with are far more influential than the happenstance of generation (of course, they would then need to argue that those values are not themselves overly shaped by time and circumstance...to an extent, they're also correct). The larger question is, what's the point of such generational generalizations anyway? Any individual you meet is going to be whoever they are - and assuming that they fit their "generational profile" is about as valid - and as harmful - as assuming the applicability of any other stereotype. (My take is that generation-speak is almost entirely marketing-driven: marketers, more than almost anyone else, need to divvy up and find in common large groups of people with common interests. Most of us have no such need.) Finally, then, Joe's right (in part): it's not about the generation (he didn't say that, or deny it), it's that these folks are paid-in members of the Universal Society of Whiners. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com In a message dated 4/19/05 11:36:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: (My take is that generation-speak is almost entirely marketing-driven: marketers, more than almost anyone else, need to divvy up and find in common large groups of people with common interests. Most of us have no such need.) This is an excellent point. I can remember in 1996 having a woman practically begging me over the phone to please fill out her extensive marketing survey, as she said that I was a rare demographic (college educated white male, early twenties to early thirties). They even threw in a couple of dollars cash in the packet as an incentive/guilt into doing it. I remember back in college in Charleston in 1987, the day The Smiths' STRANGEWAYS album came out, I went to buy it, along with The Jesus and Mary Chain's DARKLANDS, and a marketing person from Warners interviewed me AT THE STORE, asking me all sorts of questions about my CD buying habits and artists I bought. That was just before the day I woke up, Cure t-shirt inside-out and shoes on in my dorm bed, not recalling where I was after my Lit class the day before and noticing the chip was implanted.... lol - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:22:05 EDT From: A52boy@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Ivy article (last post for today) Good article: _Home - Stomp And Stammer_ (http://stompandstammer.com/) There's one on Laurie Anderson as well, but I don't think it's on the online issue. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] le pastie de la bourgeoisie (while I eat potted meat and rame... On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 A52boy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/05 7:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmmallon@joescafe.com writes: > > Wow, can these people whine, or what? > > Was what you said a joke, referring back to the classic early '90s cliched > complaint about Xers by Boomers, or were you serious? If you were serious, > why do you think this? Because the people in the article and the article's author seemed to do nothing but whine about how life hasn't handed them a living. "Oh, I got my degree in philosohpy and now no one will hire me." or "Oh, I got a degree, and now I can work, but it's not *fun*!" Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #99 ******************************