From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #60 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, March 1 2005 Volume 05 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? [glenn mcdonald ] [loud-fans] More oscars [glenn mcdonald ] Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? ["Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? I won't go into my rant about how this was the most annoying Oscar telecast ever, but am I the only one who was pretty disturbed by Jamie Foxx's fond memories of being whipped, and am I the only one who noticed that today's press talks about how moving his speech was without mentioning that part of it? Here in Cleveland there were a series of billboards that said "It's never right to hit a child" and in some neighborhoods the billboards were removed because so many parents complained to the mayor's office because they disagreed so vehemently. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? > I won't go into my rant about how this was the most > annoying Oscar telecast ever, but am I the only one > who was pretty disturbed by Jamie Foxx's fond > memories of being whipped, and am I the only one > who noticed that today's press talks about how moving > his speech was without mentioning that part of it? Thanks Aaron for pointing out yet another reason to not watch the Oscars. I didn't watch, obviously, but did Mr. Foxx really relate *fond* memories of whippings? (At least it gave insight into the character he plays.) The only interesting Oscar-related story I can think of: a woman I know who works for Landmark saw AS IT IS IN HEAVEN at the Berlin Film Festival. That's a director named Kay Pollak, male (I'm pretty sure), Swedish, hasn't shot a film since 1986. The Landmark lady found the film wonderful, but apparently it couldn't get a US distributor. An Oscar win for Best Foreign Film could have changed that. But the Oscar went to THE SEA INSIDE, a film I found clunky, sentimental, and grossly overrated. > Here in Cleveland there were a series of billboards > that said "It's never right to hit a child" and in some > neighborhoods the billboards were removed because > so many parents complained to the mayor's office > because they disagreed so vehemently. And I wondered why artists from Cleveland come out so intense and otherworldly. Andy Bar Plans 'Stag Party' for Prince Charles Sun Feb 27,10:46 PM ET Strange News - AP WELLINGTON, New Zealand - A bar in the southern New Zealand city of Dunedin is organizing a bachelor party for Britain's Prince Charles, who is due to visit the city later this week. AFP/Pool Photo Although the heir to the British throne is unlikely to attend, the businessman organizing the bash Saturday said he wanted to acknowledge the prince's visit to Dunedin so close to his April 8 wedding to Camilla Parker Bowles. "It's only right and proper that Dunedin puts on this do for him," Dave McKewen told the Otago Daily Times. "We know a lot of his mates can't make it over, so we're also rounding up a few students and some rugby fans to pad out the crowd." McKewen said he hopes Dunedin Mayor Peter Chin will pass along a formal invitation to the "Great Southern Stag Night" when the prince arrives on Saturday. Dunedin is widely known in New Zealand for its rowdy student parties, which often spill into the streets and can include the burning of furniture. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:55:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? Andy replied to Aaron: > I won't go into my rant about how this was the most > annoying Oscar telecast ever, but am I the only one > who was pretty disturbed by Jamie Foxx's fond > memories of being whipped, and am I the only one > who noticed that today's press talks about how moving > his speech was without mentioning that part of it? Thanks Aaron for pointing out yet another reason to not watch the Oscars. I didn't watch, obviously, but did Mr. Foxx really relate *fond* memories of whippings? (At least it gave insight into the character he plays.) - ----- Sheesh. I wonder did y'all know that the coverage of Foxx's acceptance speech has focused on how touching it was. For example, from the Contra Costa Times: Foxx's acceptance speech gives a brisk Oscar ceremony some heart and soul If it hadn't been for the spirit of a dynamic Texan granny named Estelle Marie Talley, the 77th annual Academy Awards ceremony would have been just a brisk and boring lovefest for Clint Eastwood's "Million Dollar Baby," which won four of the evening's six biggest awards. Talley was Jamie Foxx's grandmother, who died at age 95 without witnessing the heights the talented grandson she raised would reach. In his acceptance speech, the "Ray" star, who took home the Oscar for best actor Sunday night, evoked her no nonsense spirit and joked about her don't spare the rod parenting philosophy. "She could get an Oscar for the way she whooped me," Fox said. "She would whoop me and then she would talk to me about why. She still talks to me, only now she talks to me in my dreams. I can't wait to go to sleep tonight because we've got a lot to talk about." It was a refreshing note of genuine humanity in a ceremony notable up to that point mostly for its brevity and its abundance of Beyonce. Yes, Eastwood thanked his 96-year-old mother in his acceptance speech for best director, and that was nice, but it didn't come close to the sweet passion of Foxx's comments. - ----- As far as the issue itself is concerned, well, I wonder if you've ever had a discussion about corporal punishment with co-workers of color before. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:59:11 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? I actually thought he was saying "whooping", not "whipping" at first, but as he repeated it I got less sure. Not that "whooping" isn't also offensive, but it's less specific and thus *might* have been meant in a spirit of euphemistic exaggeration. Whereas "whipping" seems pretty unambiguous and awful. But what do you expect from an event that has a category for best costumes and The House of Flying Daggers isn't even a nominee? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:11:26 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] More oscars In my wife and my annual Oscar prediction contest, she comfortably defeated me 15 to 12. I got all four acting categories, animated feature, art direction, best picture, cinematography, directing, film editing, foreign language and sound editing. She missed one or two of those, but got makeup, sound mixing, visual effects, song and both screenplays, or something like that. The only winner I felt any personal affection for was The Incredibles, but since my best-of list for 2004 only had three American movies on it, and two of them were nominated for something (Before Sunset was the other), I suppose I can't complain much. The only category in which I'd seen all 5 nominees this year was Adapted Screenplay. Anybody guess more than 15? glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:44:12 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? >As far as the issue itself is concerned, well, I wonder if you've ever had >a discussion about corporal punishment with co-workers of color before. I'm afraid I have, and it's as disheartening as the discussions I've had with co-workers of color about feminism and homophobia. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:14:07 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? In a message dated 2/28/05 1:57:23 PM, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: > >As far as the issue itself is concerned, well, I wonder if you've ever had > >a discussion about corporal punishment with co-workers of color before. > > I'm afraid I have, and it's as disheartening as the discussions I've > had with co-workers of color about feminism and homophobia. > that's almost as offensive as the expression co-workers of color... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:32:28 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OK, is it just me? In a message dated 2/28/05 1:57:23 PM, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: > I'm afraid I have, and it's as disheartening as the discussions I've > had with co-workers of color about feminism and homophobia. > Perhaps you'd have better luck converting the ignorant savages if you wore a pith helmet. Yeesh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:35:50 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gary Brolsma In a message dated 2/26/05 5:30:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: Yeah, I don't know what the Times' problem was. Sure, it's meant to be a fluffy article, but they run with the "How MYSTERIOUS it all is!" aspect way too far. I agree. I like the internet because the people have a lot of control over it, (though admittedly, the golden age of the web is long over) not Clear Channel or Network execs. That AOL run article struck a complex, Scott Millery chord in me because I was a "pudgy doughy" kid, and it took me years to get comfortable with my body image. But, thank God I've mostly gotten past that (I wouldn't take my shirt off even while swimming until I was 30). I think the media perpetuates a nasty lie about body image and desirability and self-value that harms people on a very deep level, especially women, who are judged more for their looks than men. I'm a big guy, I was a big kid, and I probably will be a big corpse. That's just how the DNA seemed to combine to predispose me to. What really changed me was being in a relationship where my appearance was considered an asset and not something to apologize for, which was quite liberating and eye opening. I read that piece and it sent off inner alarms where I wanted to save that kid from psychological damage caused by people like those asses at the NY Times. Also, as someone with a Journalism degree I found that the writing was extremely unprofessional in its bias, whereas journalists are supposed to be objective. It's the frigging New York Times. They're supposed to be like, the creme de la creme in journalism. That wasn't top-notch journalism. Not at all. I wrote the times yesterday, and said what I needed to say. The Chris Rock "blood on the khakis" bit was great btw, - --Mark, who thought Belinda Carlisle was sexier with more weight, and Donnette's still got it goin' on p.s. On a completely unrelated note the new Ivy album, IN THE CLEAR, is a very good return to form, and all the Warner R.E.M. stuff has been reissued (tomorrow) with bonus DVDs "Every meal you've ever had is re-released in better-tasting, more nutritious form. You eat them all again." (Magnet's "The Back Page" in the current issue, a parody of the year in music, 2005) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gary Brolsma > Also, as someone with a Journalism degree I found that the > writing was > extremely unprofessional in its bias, whereas journalists are supposed to > be > objective. It's the frigging New York Times. They're supposed to be > like, the > creme de la creme in journalism. That wasn't top-notch journalism. Not > at > all. I've been mistrustful of the Times ever since they decided Spike Lee didn't have a college degree. Also, they think the war on Iraq is a pretty nifty idea. On the whole, "Mojo"'s looking mighty fine, Andy "I get along quite well with someone only when he is at his lowest point and has neither the desire nor the strength to restore his habitual illusions." - --E.M. Cioran ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:54:23 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gary Brolsma In a message dated 2/28/05 10:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, zoom@muppetlabs.com writes: "I get along quite well with someone only when he is at his lowest point and has neither the desire nor the strength to restore his habitual illusions." - --E.M. Cioran I have no more illusions about that paper. I think The Traveler's Rest Monitor (the little town next to Greenville) is higher quality. I'd like to think I'm kidding. - --Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #60 ******************************