From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #39 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 8 2005 Volume 05 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Jerry Lewis and Liz Phair together in the same email message! [John Swartzentruber ] RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip ["Bradley Skaught" ] RE: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip ["Aaron Milenski" ] RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] poll results [glenn mcdonald ] RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [Gil Ray ] RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack ["Bradley Skaught" ] [loud-fans] Album Length [Cardinal007 ] Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Album Length [Jeff ] Re: [loud-fans] Album Length [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Album Length [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] This is the modern world...(sorta) [Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jerry Lewis and Liz Phair together in the same email message! On 2/7/2005 1:45 AM Robert Toren wrote: > oh, and - cough - > Liz Phair in a see-through blouse... >http://thefinkfile.blogspot.com/2005/02/mom-youre-embarrassing-me.html > Hey, that's Brendan Benson between her legs! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:46:31 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jerry Lewis and Liz Phair together in the same email message! On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:45:10 -0500, John Swartzentruber wrote: > On 2/7/2005 1:45 AM Robert Toren wrote: > > > oh, and - cough - > > Liz Phair in a see-through blouse... > >http://thefinkfile.blogspot.com/2005/02/mom-youre-embarrassing-me.html > > > > Hey, that's Brendan Benson between her legs! Okay, that's the meta-geekiest post ever... BTW: here is a list of words you can type using only your left hand: - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:01:34 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Macca Attack Anyone else think McCartney was absolutely fantastic at the super bowl? = What a band! They really sounded amazing--"Drive My Car" was = particularily rocking. And what a victory for quality pop music--the = Super Bowl Halftime show, fer chrissakes! I liked the bit where he yelled "Thank you, Super Bowl!" Very Spinal = Tap. love, B stray songs: www.davidbowie.com/users/bjskaught/index.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:25:00 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack >Anyone else think McCartney was absolutely fantastic at the super bowl? = >What a band! They really sounded amazing--"Drive My Car" was = >particularily rocking. And what a victory for quality pop music--the = >Super Bowl Halftime show, fer chrissakes! >I liked the bit where he yelled "Thank you, Super Bowl!" Very Spinal = >Tap. I'll have to say that this was the first time ever that the Super Bowl halftime show didn't make me sick. I was surprised how faithfully the band played the songs--no screwing around at all. As it was playing, I was telling Jill how the "oh" just as "Hey Jude" goes into the coda was the highest note Paul ever sang on record and how he'd never hit the note...but he did. I was impressed. I was equally impressed that in his 60s he still has the same mullet he had thirty years ago and that he's still the only person on earth who looks good with one!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:57:05 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack On Feb 7, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Aaron Milenski wrote: >> > > I'll have to say that this was the first time ever that the Super > Bowl halftime show didn't make me sick. > > The one a couple years ago, with Britney & NSync playing with Aerosmith was fairly pap-filled enjoyable fun. File under "guilty pleasures". My least fave was the time in the early nineties when Michael Jackson sang, and they had all these kids around him mock-clamoring to be near him and sort of touch the hem of his garment...blech. Takes on particularly creepy overtones relative to recent events. I don't remember what year it was, but I think the Bills got annihilated that year. Which could be any number of years. Cp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:51:40 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip I found an advance of the new Eric Matthews album, and I really like it. = It's hard to call it a full length album since it's only 33 minutes = long. It also feels more like demos than a fully realized album--only = one song has a full band, with the rest being either acoustic or very = sparse. Lush chords, trumpets, airy vocals, questionable lyrics--all the = usual elements are in place. I hope there's a more realized album from = him in the future, but for now it's nice to hear something new. xo, B stray songs: www.davidbowie.com/users/bjskaught/index.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:09:42 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip >It's hard to call it a full length album since it's only 33 minutes long. Back in the old days (i.e. pre-CD), that's how long most albums were! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:51:39 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack >I'll have to say that this was the first time ever that the Super >Bowl halftime show didn't make me sick. I liked the U2 Superbowl performance in 2002. Simple and tasteful, IMO. Sir Paul was really quite good, though - and in excellent voice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack He was great, but I gotta say, I wondered a couple of times if it was all real....cynical times we live in...Turns out a bunch of folks at work question the performance and the sound as being too good...... I did really, really hate the manufactured crowd up front. I bet most of those folks have never heard some of those songs before. I know it's all corporate and stuff, but I still think it's gross. The Na Na cards didn't work for me either. Paul's long sleeve shirt didn't work for me at all. Keep the jacket on, or at least wear a see-through number like Liz Phair. Gil the Grumpy - --- Bradley Skaught wrote: > Anyone else think McCartney was absolutely fantastic > at the super bowl? = > What a band! They really sounded amazing--"Drive My > Car" was = > particularily rocking. And what a victory for > quality pop music--the = > Super Bowl Halftime show, fer chrissakes! > I liked the bit where he yelled "Thank you, Super > Bowl!" Very Spinal = > Tap. > > love, > B > > > stray songs: > www.davidbowie.com/users/bjskaught/index.html > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release > Date: 2/3/2005 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:46:24 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack The folks I was with were all watching pretty close to see if there was any cheating going on, and though i'll admit that the sound was remarkably good, it certainly didn't look like there was any lip-synching. There have been advances in the past five years or so as reagrds recording live sound that can generate some amazing results, so i'm willing to accept it as live--plus, as good as he sounded, his singing wasn't as perfect or free of the inconsistancies of working with a live mic that you'd expect from something pre-recorded. When he spoke, his voice has the same quality as his singing, too. Could have been some trickery I suppose, but it seemed pretty live to me. Certainly rockin'! B stray songs: www.davidbowie.com/users/bjskaught/index.html - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:56:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack From: Aaron Milenski > I was surprised how faithfully the band played the songs--no > screwing around at all. Does anyone know if that was his regular backing band? I didn't recognize any of the players, but they had the sound down. > As it was playing, I was telling Jill how the "oh" just as "Hey Jude" > goes into the coda was the highest note Paul ever sang on record > and how he'd never hit the note...but he did. I was impressed. I thought Paul sounded a lot better than he's sounded in a long time. I'm wondering if there was some studio doctoring involved. 62 year old people aren't supposed to sing like that! And I'm thrilled that we won't have to hear any more McCartney "wardrobe malfunction" jokes. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:57:29 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack In a message dated 2/7/05 3:29:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ggilray@yahoo.com writes: I bet most of those folks have never heard some of those songs before. I know it's all corporate and stuff, but I still think it's gross. I was invited to a Superbowl party and there were a lot of people there...mostly in their thirties. I was the only one who remained in the living room to watch Paul sing...everyone else went for nachos and wings. The attitude was like, "Who cares." Most of the people at this shindig I was at didn't know Beatles songs...but they could have sung "Can't Touch This" at the drop of a hat. It's weird, but, at least in my experience here, if you are not a Boomer and like the Beatles, you are seen as highbrow...like you're into Chopin or something. The only time I made an appearance in the living room for the game was during commercials and for Paul. I didn't even know who was playing 'til I got to the house...lol. I thought he sounded great. The crowd by him was cheesier than the Crock Pot everyone went to during halftime though. I dug the visuals of the fifties car footage during "Drive My Car," as well as the Beatles first arrival in the states they showed later. However, it gets to the point where you wonder how much of the image you see on the screen is actually there, and how much is computer generated. Was Paul even THERE? lol I'm afraid we've reached a point that the masses are indifferent to The Beatles, and they have to manufacture enthusiastic young crowds for 60-something rockers. Sad. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:07:43 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] poll results As one of the people most likely to get kicked off the list if poll normality becomes a membership criterion, I feel obliged to state the perhaps-obvious observation that there's a lot more to musical taste than what gets captured in the intersection-or-not of top 10-15 lists. Brian Wilson does nothing for me, I admit, and I have no idea what Green Day is doing in the top ten, but the other 18 of the top 20 are all things I like, or bands I usually like, or at least the *kind* of thing I often like. With only a very few exceptions, this list looks to me like a kind of music I listen to. The fact that I found ten records mostly other than these that I liked better is interesting, but no criticism. iTunes and my iPod affected my listening to, this year, and started to have more influence after my mid-year retirement from music reviewing. It took me a little while to adjust to the idea that I'm no longer listening as if I'm going to have an audience for my reactions. As I got used this, I started using Shuffle more, jumping in and out of whole albums as the random survey brought them to mind. Probably the major casualties of this, in my music-buying, are perfectly decent but not-that-unique genre bands in genres I like, and especially their respective back catalogs. The old me, a few years ago, bought up everything vaguely related to anything I kind of liked. The current me tries to walk away from anything that doesn't seem to have a genuine chance of changing my life. Which is most things. I think this tends to bias my listening towards stuff that's new or novel to me, which also feels fine. And the fact that none of you voted for Mascott or Puffy is *your* error. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack - --- Steve Holtebeck wrote: >> Does anyone know if that was his regular backing > band? I didn't > recognize any of the players, but they had the sound > down. I'm pretty sure that was the band he's been playing with for a while. It's the same line-up from that New York concert that was on TV a bit ago. The drummer is amazing. He also sings many of the background parts. Maybe it was him that was hitting the difficult notes. You know, my feelings are that is was all legit, but I hate the fact that I even have to question the idea of is it live or not. Damn you Ashley. And Madonna. And Cher. And on & on & on... Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:56:40 -0600 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack Judging from the sound mix of the opening ceremony (Very horrendous), Paul was completely lip-syncing..... It just sounded tooo good. I am willing to be peruaded otherwise though.... Remember that U2 halftime show from a couple of years back? - I heard that the only live thing from that "performance" was Bono's vocals.... Gil Ray , loud-fans@smoe.org m> cc: (bcc: Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds) Sent by: Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 02/07/05 03:26 PM - --- Steve Holtebeck wrote: >> Does anyone know if that was his regular backing > band? I didn't > recognize any of the players, but they had the sound > down. I'm pretty sure that was the band he's been playing with for a while. It's the same line-up from that New York concert that was on TV a bit ago. The drummer is amazing. He also sings many of the background parts. Maybe it was him that was hitting the difficult notes. You know, my feelings are that is was all legit, but I hate the fact that I even have to question the idea of is it live or not. Damn you Ashley. And Madonna. And Cher. And on & on & on... Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Macca Attack On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Gil Ray wrote: > You know, my feelings are that is was all legit, but > I hate the fact that I even have to question the idea > of is it live or not. Damn you Ashley. And Madonna. > And Cher. And on & on & on... i think if you carry that logic too far you wind up excoriating les paul and tom dowd. pitch correction can be done in real time, no sweat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:49:30 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack There could have easily been some trickery. Paul's not the kind of guy who usually would need pitch correction (i've heard dozens of boots from early live Beatles up through Wings and he's never off key in a dramatic way), but it can be done pretty easily and there are plenty of other "vocal helpers" one would use in a situation like that (admittedly, a terrible situation for singing.) Bowie had all sorts of help on that last tour--he was obviously singing well in general, but he's lost enough of his voice that some doubling effects/harmonizers/etc. popped up now and then. I'm okay with that as long as it's happening in person. The other advances in live sound that I was thinking of include amp-modelling software that could give a meaty, up close guitar sound without relying entirely on microphones and super accurate noise-gates that make it a lot easier to avoid the "drums in the football arena" sound. On the other hand, if they were playing to pre-recorded tracks, than maybe if Paul could ever write another good song he'd be able to make a record that good? B - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack > I was invited to a Superbowl party and there were a lot of people > there...mostly in their thirties. I was the only one who remained in the > living room > to watch Paul sing...everyone else went for nachos and wings. The > attitude > was like, "Who cares." Most of the people at this shindig I was at > didn't know > Beatles songs...but they could have sung "Can't Touch This" at the drop > of a > hat. Spent most of the weekend in Portland, passengering back to Seattle while the game was on, didn't have any idea who played the halftime show, and frankly, that's all okay. I liked the Simpsons' halftime shows. They know what's going on. Okay, what did we all think of "American Dad"? One worry though. What exactly does it mean to "bet the spread"? Does that mean you bet the final score *will* beat the spread, or no? Because, that makes a certain friend of mine either $10,000 richer... ...or... Andy "20 yen--a buck and a quarter--for the first hour. 10 yen for each additional hour and all night for 50 yen. If you pay more, you spoil it for the rest. The MP's will be stationed at the doors to enforce these prices. Trucks will leave here every hour, on the hour. NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT FEELS, BE SURE TO WEAR ONE." - --posted on the quartermaster's bulletin board for the occupying American forces in Tokyo, 1945, concerning the ways and means of the legendary Yoshiwara Pleasure Gardens; as quoted by Peter Carey in WRONG ABOUT JAPAN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:53:15 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:09:42 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: > >It's hard to call it a full length album since it's only 33 minutes long. > > Back in the old days (i.e. pre-CD), that's how long most albums were Not quite. True, CDs have made albums longer - but they were typically 40 minutes or so just before the advent of CDs. In the late 60s, they tended to be shorter (see: early Beatles albums) but not always (see: Bob Dylan albums). And country, apparently, has always tended toward very short albums - about the time it takes the average listener to down and feel the effects of a few shots of whiskey, I believe. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:56:18 -0500 From: Cardinal007 Subject: [loud-fans] Album Length On Monday, February 7, 2005, at 08:53 PM, Jeff wrote: > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:09:42 -0500, Aaron Milenski > wrote: >>> It's hard to call it a full length album since it's only 33 minutes >>> long. >> >> Back in the old days (i.e. pre-CD), that's how long most albums were > > Not quite. True, CDs have made albums longer - but they were typically > 40 minutes or so just before the advent of CDs. In the late 60s, they > tended to be shorter (see: early Beatles albums) but not always (see: > Bob Dylan albums). > It was always a mechanical issue. A twelve-inch platter has just so much space in which to fit grooves. The grooves are neither equal, nor necessarily symmetrical. The shorter the musical selections, the greater space, per second, available to the analog grooves. At least theoretically. I was lucky enough to work with Greg Calbi as our mastering guru in the eighties. He explained how the desire in the late seventies and eighties to fit more material onto twelve inches compromised the sound quality. He also explained how the later songs per side [those closest to the spindle] lost quality compared to those near the outer edge. but I was a young punk, and I don't think I paid enough attention. I certainly don't remember the "why"s of it all .... I'm sure this aged list has folks who can explain it all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:17:51 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Macca Attack On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:25:00 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: > As it was playing, I was telling Jill how the "oh" just as "Hey Jude" > goes into the coda was the highest note Paul ever sang on record > and how he'd never hit the note...but he did. I was impressed Sorry, but I've donned my Fact-Boy cape tonight, and so...the high note in "Hey Jude" is an F - the same F, btw, he also sings in the bridge of "Maybe I'm Amazed" - but assuming that's Paul on the high falsetto parts in "Don't Let Me Down" he gets to at least an F# there - - maybe a G# (I can't quite remember exactly how he sings it). Of course, if you've heard the Beatles Christmas records, you know George did a wicked Tiny Tim impersonation - not sure how high he sang, but pretty high... - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:28:36 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Eric's New Trip On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:10:01 -0400, John F Butland wrote: > My guess is that the length would be coincidence - not knowing for sure, > being a teetotaler. I would wager that, like so much in Nashville, it > was $ that motivated the brevity of C&W LPs - publishing royalties are > less with fewer songs for an LP that sells for full price, and more LPs > can be cranked out if fewer tracks are needed for each. Much the same > mental processes at work at Capitol with the early Beatles LPs, no? I'm pretty sure you're correct about the Nashville thing & royalties. It'd be interesting to see a chart showing the average length of, say, the Billboard 100 best-selling LPs from 1964 onwards. (FWIW: About halfway through databasing my CD collection, the average length per CD is about 50:20 or so. That might go up once I enter my classical CDs...but probably not, as proportionately there aren't enough of them to make a difference.) All this talk of drinking - better crack open a beer. (NP: GBV - HSOTD) - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:38:42 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album Length On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:56:18 -0500, Cardinal007 wrote: > It was always a mechanical issue. A twelve-inch platter has just so > much space in which to fit grooves. The grooves are neither equal, nor > necessarily symmetrical. The shorter the musical selections, the > greater space, per second, available to the analog grooves. At least > theoretically That's certainly true - but I'im pretty sure the royalties issue also influenced shorter albums, esp. in Nashville (I remember reading some controversy a few years back regarding Nashville's desire to keep CDs only 10 songs long, in fact). Anybody else own a vinyl copy of Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_ (some 68 minutes long, including 36 minutes on one side)? I think there might be some classical LPs longer - but I'm not positive. I know a number of Dylan albums (Hwy 61) were longer than 50 minutes, even in the mid-60s. - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:49:14 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album Length In a message dated 2/7/05 7:40:31 PM, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: << Anybody else own a vinyl copy of Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_ (some 68 minutes long, including 36 minutes on one side)? >> Yes, and AWATS is well over an hour too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:51:08 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Album Length In a message dated 2/7/05 7:01:46 PM, cardinal007@comcast.net writes: << He also explained how the later songs per side [those closest to the spindle] lost quality compared to those near the outer edge. but I was a young punk, and I don't think I paid enough attention. I certainly don't remember the "why"s of it all .... I'm sure this aged list has folks who can explain it all. >> The record is spinning faster at the outside....same concept as ...."the faster the tape speed, the higher the fidelity," I believe. Left ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] This is the modern world...(sorta) Wow. 2 newish cd's that I love! Heaven help me.. John Vanderslice - Cellar Door. It's been a long time since I've fallen so in love with a cd! (69 Love Songs?). For my $, this is a perfect album. Great songs, great production, great performance. This guy is my new hero. I want to meet him and tell him this, but it would probably scare the crap out of him. I love his lyrics! I'm not much of a lyric guy, but these jump out at me, and I think I understand them. Strange stories, and probably the best example of the heartbreak of heroin addiction I've ever heard (When It Hits My Blood). Dirty confession here, back in the 80's I tried the stuff.... once. Vanderslice captures that moment perfectly. It's horrifying and beautiful. He also captures the addict's games and deceit in trying to score the next hit in a picture perfect way. I never had to deal with that aspect, but had several friends that did, and he nails it. His voice seems like a mix of Rufus Wainwright and the guy in Neutral Milk Hotel. His writing sounds familiar, but original. The production is amazing. Lots of strange little sounds popping up left and right. Stuff I love. Thanks to Bradley for including this on a mix cd he gave us. It really is a life changer for me. Not sure what I'm going to change, but....it's that good. Chris Stamey Experience - A Question Of Temperature. Screw the rest of this cd, he covers Politician by Cream! It's a crazed, messed of version that totally rocks! It's funny, Stacey brought this home and said that I should check it out. I asked if it rocks, and she said that he does a bunch of covers and that I should give it a spin, knowing full well that I would flip when Politician came on, but slyly, not giving away the surprise. Man, did I flip. They do it proud. Someday, I'll check out the rest of the cd. I did check out his version of Compared TO What (another great choice!), but I'm slightly disappointed that he didn't sing the "Goddamn it" line that is in the Les McCann, Eddie Harris version.No biggie. Maybe the circumstances were similar to when Scott opted not to do the "unclean" line in Big Star's You Can't Have Me on BSC . Heaven help me. I love this modern stuff! Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:51:43 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] This is the modern world...(sorta) On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:46 -0800 (PST), Gil Ray wrote: > Wow. 2 newish cd's that I love! Heaven help me.. > John Vanderslice - Cellar Door I think Bradley and I are the other two main Vanderslice fans here. He's got (counting on fingers) 3 other albums out under his own name, plus two or three harder-to-find ones under the band name MK Ultra (I think there was another band called that, though!). He runs Tiny Telephone studios, apparently a well-regarded operation... Lotsa stuff at his website (the obvious URL). - -- ...Jeff The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:39:44 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] betting Never heard the term "bet the spread." It's either "take the points" (bet on the underdog) or "give the points" (bet on the favorite). Left ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #39 ******************************