From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V5 #30 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, January 30 2005 Volume 05 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] growing up [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] the return of Eric Matthews [Cardinal007 ] Re: [loud-fans] Span [Tim Walters ] [loud-fans] e-e-e ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] growing up [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] growing up ["David Seldin" ] [loud-fans] Yes.net [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Span [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Bright Eyes [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] truth is definitely stranger than fiction [LkDylaninthmvies@a] [loud-fans] allmusic sound clip problems [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:05:28 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] growing up Actually, I did not say that I thought you really have disdain for Scott but simply that it would follow from your reasoning if someone did think that. I understand that what people think doesn't come from the rationales they express. It's true that Scott isn't posting here to try to convince us of anything. But anyone who is posting here is trying to convince someone of something, whether it's themselves they are trying to convince or others. Any expression is based on trying to convince someone of something. No convincing necessary = no expressing necessary. Perhaps you misunderstood my point about proof of existence. My point was that people shouldn't get their feathers ruffled by people they don't even know. Or attack others they don't even know. For all I know, you are a cool guy and if we met we'd become fast mates; soul brothers, even. But I don't know you. Anyway, the only point was that people shouldn't be overly sensitive or overly snippy to email correspondents... murt JRT456@aol.com wrote: >I'm more baffled by that other poster who thinks that I have >disdain for Scott Miller because he's not a professional musician. The bigger >point is that Scott doesn't post here trying to convince us otherwise, or try to >convince other musicians that he's actually making money. I'm also sorry that >other poster doesn't have proof of my existence. But then, why should he? It's >not like I ever talk about myself here. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:13:14 -0500 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the return of Eric Matthews This is news to me. On Friday, January 28, 2005, at 11:54 PM, Bradley Skaught wrote: > Finally! > http://www.ericmatthewsmusic.com/ > > Not only does he have a new album, but that long rumoured Cardinal = > reissue is on the way as well... > > xoxo, > B > > > stray songs: > www.davidbowie.com/users/bjskaught/index.html > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 1/27/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:56:23 -0000 From: "Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Span I wrote: > I used to have a bunch of Span on dodgy tapes, now no more. Both Please To See The King and Ten Man Mop (or Mr Reservoir Butler Rides Again, wonderful title!) seem to be rarer than hens teeth on amazon.co.uk - but there's a comp called Spanning The Years (naturally!) which looks pretty good - see http://tinyurl.com/47gse - is this pretty representative? Amazoning around a bit more I see that there's a comp of the first 3 Steeleye albums which includes the 2 above called The Lark In The Morning so I'll go for that I reckon. ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:25:14 -0000 From: "Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Span I used to have a bunch of Span on dodgy tapes, now no more. Both Please To See The King and Ten Man Mop (or Mr Reservoir Butler Rides Again, wonderful title!) seem to be rarer than hens teeth on amazon.co.uk - but there's a comp called Spanning The Years (naturally!) which looks pretty good - see http://tinyurl.com/47gse - is this pretty representative? I do have one of Maddy's Silly Sisters albums on vinyl which she did with the great June Tabor and it's lovely. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:13:33 -0800 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Span On Jan 28, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Bradley Skaught wrote: > Some of the others mentioned i've heard and haven't liked as much. > Please To > See The King has a very delicate balance of performance, sound, > arrangement, > etc. that makes it special--the others i've heard lack at least one of > those > elements. I don't disagree; PTSTK and TEN MAN MOP are the only ones that don't require a bit of mining. But the others yield nuggets as well. PARCEL OF ROGUES, for example, has "The Weaver and The Factory Maid", probably my favorite single song of theirs (which never seems to make it to the best-ofs, despite being an obvious showpiece), the distinctly odd and wonderful "Robbery With Violins", and ten seconds of the most distorted guitar ever (at the end of "Alison Gross", an otherwise mediocre song). On reflection, I think you would also like HARK! THE VILLAGE WAIT; it has a fair amount of the Shirley Collins nature (c. "No Roses"), and I know you're less ambivalent about her than I am. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:30:35 -0800 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Span This bounced the first time; apologies if you see it twice. On Jan 29, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles wrote: > but there's a > comp called Spanning The Years (naturally!) which looks pretty good - > see > http://tinyurl.com/47gse - is this pretty representative? It's quite representative, in that it has almost the same proportion of gold to dross as one of their average albums. In fact, it seems to include all my least favorite tracks: dubious roots-rock covers, misguided celebrity cameos, fa-la-la-la-hey-nonny bollocks. Maybe this stuff is less annoying to you English peeps. Somewhere in my dad's vaults is a recording of a BBC show called "Steeleye Span Meets Dr. Frankenstein," a pantomime-ish Christmas special. Very silly, but actually kind of fun, and a much better outlet for their sinful twee urges. > I do have one of Maddy's Silly Sisters albums on vinyl which she did > with > the great June Tabor and it's lovely. Yes, yes, yes! NO MORE TO THE DANCE is merely good, but SILLY SISTERS is sublime. Plenty of Martin Carthy and Nic Jones as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:57:58 -0800 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] e-e-e Hey Louds, Sorry for the intrusion. In the event someone might be interested, I have a not very interesting load of stuff on eBay right now including: Game Theory 89 Fan Club Lyric & Photo Book LOUD FAMILY Peter Blegvad Kew.Rhone ENH CD w/ ROBERT WYATT Cocteau Twins Dials + 3 RARITIES CD 4AD The Feelies- Crazy Rhythm A&M CD OOP w/ xtra trk Field Mice Coastal CD on Sarah Record The Frames- Another Love Song CD long Out Of Print from 1992 Tangerine Dream- Legend Soundtrack CD OOP w/ Bryan Ferry Rubber Rodeo- Scenic View CD ORIGINAL W GERMAN pressing The Plimsouls- One Night In America CD OOP French New Rose Two Nice Girls- Like A Version CD Gretchen Phillips OOP Thinking Fellers Union Porcelain Entertainment LP from Italy Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 - Tangle LP Pavement- Crooken Rain, Crooked Rain LP + 7 Quasi- Field Studies LP+12 Sleater-Kinney/Donner Party with ELLIOT SMITH It is here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZcassetto Thanks- Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] growing up > Rex, then Matt: > >>>it was hearing Monica Lewinsky describe herself as "not so much >>> religious >>>as >>>spiritual" that drove this one home for me: people, and often vacuous people, are largely picking and choosing from various religious >>traditions, which may sound like a good thing, but I'm not so sure. > >>In my experience, this kind of syncretism largely involves picking what's >>"cool" from one religion or another, and ignoring anything that seems to make a demand on the practitioner. Won't argue Ms. Lewinsky's non-vapidity--well, not beyond observing that she's out there trying, just like the rest of us, and most of the rest of us aren't easy targets. I will say, though, that I used the "spiritual but not religious" line in describing myself. What I mean by that is that I reject religion, religons, and the specific beliefs of specific religons, but I have, however nebulously defined (and it *is* nebulous), a belief in certain things metaphysical. I watched Tim Quirk lecture once, on the Who's performance of "Young Man Blues" from the Isle of Wight festival film. Over the course of pointing out how Pete Townshend wields inspiration, loses inspiration, and then fakes it until he makes it again, Quirk mentioned that you didn't have to be religious to believe in transcendence. That's stuck with me powerfully. Of course, Quirk also said that while he tries not to be judgemental, if someone says to him that they believe in God, he finds it awfully hard to take anything else they say seriously. I differ with him on that. I am an atheist, but I feel you should try to take other people's beliefs seriously, and courteously; you should also acknowlege that many fine thinkers practice religion. But transcendence without religion, or God: yes, that made a lot of sense to me. Still does. Never heard of Acker Bilk before today (doesn't he play clarinet, not sax?), but some people say ROCKET COTTAGE is a real knockout, Andy "Tommy Chong? That you?" - --a couple of guys at the bus stop on 45th street as I stomped past them westwardly, on my way to meet my friend at the Blue Moon Tavern ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:10:32 -0500 From: "David Seldin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] growing up JRT, I'm wondering, why the animosity? David - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] growing up > In a message dated 1/28/05 10:12:31 AM, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: > > >> I find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm a frustrated professional >> writer...when I only have ever made the effort to get published for a >> brief time, and didn't even bother... >> > And on and on, even though he couldn't resist mentioning at any > opportunity > that he was working on a record review or going through a stack of promo > CDs, > in the same fashion that he's not a frustrated would-be member of academia > who's eager to talk about rushing off to class but never mentions his > filing > duties. What's really sad, though, is that he's a grown man who thinks > there's any > reason to watch Monty Python besides the presence of Carol Cleveland. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:31:07 -0800 From: Tim Walters Subject: [loud-fans] Span On Jan 29, 2005, at 1:58 PM, zoom@muppetlabs.com wrote: > Never heard of Acker Bilk before today (doesn't he play clarinet, not > sax?), That's exactly the problem. > but some people say ROCKET COTTAGE is a real knockout, Only in the sense that unconsciousness is an appropriate response to the cover painting. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:21:03 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Yes.net If you've ever been listening to the radio, wondered what they just played, and cursed the DJ for not saying: http://yes.net/ mm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:24:49 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Span From: Tim Walters > Somewhere in my dad's vaults is a recording of a BBC show called > "Steeleye Span Meets Dr. Frankenstein," a pantomime-ish Christmas > special. Very silly, but actually kind of fun, and a much better outlet > for their sinful twee urges. I've heard of that special, but never actually heard it, so let me know if your dad decides to go into the bootleg business. Another great Span-related Christmas item is A TAPESTRY OF CAROLS by Maddy Prior & Carnival Band, a bunch of well known and lesser known carols recorded for a BBC radio special then for an album. I pulled it off emusic a couple of years ago, and think it's one of the best albums ever. Maddy & the Carnival Band have collaborated on a couple of other holiday albums (like John Denver & the Muppets, they seem to make nothing but Christmas albums), but TAPESTRY OF CAROLS is the one to have. > Yes, yes, yes! NO MORE TO THE DANCE is merely good, but SILLY > SISTERS is sublime. Plenty of Martin Carthy and Nic Jones as well. Is that Nic Jones? The Silly Sisters album is also on emusic, and there's some great guitar playing by someone! Not to mention Maddy Prior and June Tabor both singing on the same album.. It's like a who's who of that era of British folk. I still don't understand why they were called the Silly Sisters though.. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:59:45 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Bright Eyes Anyone bought the new Bright Eyes releases? I personally like the single from DIGITAL ASH IN A DIGITAL URN "Take It Easy (Love Nothing)" but I don't like the album. I do like I'M WIDE AWAKE, IT'S MORNING, but didn't get the single. So, I have the CD Single from the album I didn't want and the album I did want. I think Oberst has grown up a lot. - --Mark, hoping to pick up the Field Mice's SNOWBALL this coming week (btw we're snowed and iced in, and it's not a wussy 3 mm of snow on the ground that makes most Southerners cower in fear) p.s. Whatever happened to Stewart Mason? Is he okay? I know I'm not his fave person in the world, but he needs to be here so we have his input ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:13:58 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] truth is definitely stranger than fiction The top five searches on AOL a minute ago were: 1. leg warmers 2. Grace Slick 3. Lawrence Welk 4. Hello Kitty 5. Butthole Surfer (no s was shown) - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:51:38 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] allmusic sound clip problems Are any of you who use non-Windows operating systems registered on Allmusic, and are you able to play the sound clips? We can't get them to play on either my Linux computer or my husband's Mac. I am able to play Windows Media files from other webpages just fine. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:58:38 -0800 From: Tim Walters Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Span On Jan 29, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Is that Nic Jones? Jones plays guitar on "Lass of Loch Royal" and "The Game Of Cards", and fiddle on "Doffin' Mistress" and "Silver Whistle". The other guitar parts (including the very tasty "Geordie") are Carthy. > I still don't understand > why they were called the Silly Sisters though.. That's because emusic doesn't give you the cover art: http://tinyurl.com/5kwok Or was it the "sisters" part you were wondering about? That I can't explain. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V5 #30 ******************************