From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #305 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, November 11 2004 Volume 04 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter [Micah ] Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) [L] Re: [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) [JRT456@aol.] Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:22:01 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter On Nov 9, 2004, at 9:19 PM, Bradley Skaught wrote: > When I was in college the hardcore and emo scenes were pretty hopping > at > UMass, but there was a split between people who wanted more melody and > personal angst oriented lyrics and those who wanted it to be more > purely > hardcore, with the metal influences and political lyrics. > The kids who called themselves emo kids were listening to the first > Piebald > ep, which is pretty noisy and dark--kind of like Slint-style indie rock > mixed with Helmet or something. They were also into Moss Icon. So emo, > to > me, meant a kind of confluence of hardcore, indie rock and even some > power > pop with searing, emotional lyrics. This meant that when Piebald > discovered > Cheap Trick, they were still emo to most kids. A lot of it had odd > guitar > arrangements, too--again, like Slint or Sonic Youth or something. And > the > kind of rhythmic feel of hardcore. I feel like, eventually, that went > away > in favor of the more straightforward "pop punk" sound--you don't hear > many > bands called "emo" that have the kind of guitar playing I remember > from back > then, or much rhythmic sophistication. > I played drums in a band called The Ambsace Engine (don't ask) and we > were > considered emo. It was tricky stuff--lots of changing parts and weird > meters > and the like--but with heavy bits and some screaming and whining > lyrics. The > emo kids dug us, but really I can't say we sounded like anything else > called > emo. > > B > > > I think Bradley's got it -- I've always thought emo was more about lyrical content, and unfortunately, vocal delivery, than a particular musical style. There are emo bands that sound like slo-core, like punk, like power pop, like post-rock, but the commonality is the high pitched almost shrieking singing and the I'm-so-sad-and-emotional lyrics, which unfortunately sounded frequently like poems written on the back of someones homeroom folder. As with most sub-genres, a few innovators led to a raft of half assed imitators, and the backlash followed. Chris np: Squirrel Bait - an argument could be made that these guys are the true progenitors of emo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: Micah Subject: Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter Ah, man. I read that as "...hormones folder." Micah __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:15:34 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter In a message dated 11/10/04 9:30:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, prew@icsusa.com writes: > the commonality is the high > pitched almost shrieking singing and the I'm-so-sad-and-emotional > lyrics, which unfortunately sounded frequently like poems written on > the back of someones homeroom folder. > An excellent description, Chris, but we never did anything in homeroom that would merit its own folder. It was good for listening to your Walkman and drawing, and eating World's Finest Chocolates or M&Ms that some cheerleader or band member would be hawking. - --Mark S., who's had two emo records...the first Sunny Day Real Estate (sold...the next week) and the first Promise Ring (sold...the next day). In those days I would have to buy albums just from reading reviews most of the time, without actually getting to hear them first, so it was hit-or-miss. I liked my emotional ketchup bursts in a more Smithsian fashion, so I guess that would be more of a run, not a burst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:48:55 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) "The Republican partybthe party of industrial mega-capitalists, corporate financiers, power brokers, and the moneyed elitebwould like to thank the undereducated rural poor, the struggling blue-collar workers in Middle America, and the God-fearing underpriviledged minorities who voted George W. Bush back into office," Karl Rove, senior advisor to Bush, told reporters at a press conference Monday. "You have selflessly sacrificed your well-being and voted against your own economic interest. For this, we humbly thank you." Added Rove: "You have acted beyond the call of dutybor, for that matter, good sense." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:48:03 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) Nice try, but it's still hard to top that minister pal of yours for Leftist self-lovin'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] E-mo the letter > Somewhere or other, I said that "emo" seemed to be what happened when > punks simultaneously discovered broken hearts and major seventh > chords. I still think that's about right... Perhaps (probably) inevitably, you can read a book all about it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312308639/104-5140486-2642336?v=glance http://www.richmond.com/ae/output.cfm?ID=2835889&vertical=ae Me, I always remember one of the most sensitive (and beautiful) women in college, circa 1991, terming things too "emo" for her... Andy "You're much more attractive as a woman then you are as a man." - --Patrick, to myself, in the wee wee (early morning) hours of October 31, 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:46:01 EST From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] check out the onion.com today (they've outdone themselves) In a message dated 11/10/04 2:58:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JRT456@aol.com writes: > Nice try, but it's still hard to top that minister pal of yours for Leftist > > self-lovin'. > Well, could be worse, JRT. I could be posting quotes from THE SAVAGE NATION. - --MWS867 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #305 *******************************