From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #285 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 20 2004 Volume 04 : Number 285 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Gig Announcement [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V4 #273 [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] Bands reunited (the bands, not the show) [zoom@muppetlabs] Re: [loud-fans] yes! [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Re: Ted Leo + Pharmacists correction [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.co] [loud-fans] Ted Leo + Pharmacists [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] Tucker Carlson [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] yes! [2fs ] [loud-fans] anti-capitalism (a/k/a lower-case revolt) [2fs Subject: [loud-fans] Gig Announcement Well, sorta. :) Vox Populi (www.vox-pop.org) presents: "Chant Transformed: Heinrich Isaac and the Mass at the Imperial Chapel" The Emperor Maximilian I was one of the great Renaissance patrons of the arts, and the star in the firmament of musicians in his employ was Heinrich Isaac. Vox Populi presents a reconstruction of a Mass for the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul as it might have been performed at the Imperial Chapel in Isaac's time. Based on music from Isaac's Missa de Apostolis and the monumental Choralis Constantinus, this programme explores Gregorian chant and its roles as both the foundation of and inspiration for music in the Western Church. The Vox Populi Vocal Ensemble is a mixed-voice a capella chamber choir based in Berkeley, California, that specializes in performing the choral music of the Renaissance. Singing without a conductor, Vox Populi is dedicated to democratic artistic decision-making and the joy of connecting spontaneously with our audiences. The ensemble has performed in churches, museums, and other public venues throughout the Bay Area since 1998. Friday November 19 8 PM St. Mary Magdalene Church 2005 Berryman St. (at Henry), Berkeley CA Saturday Nov 20 8 PM St. Ann's Chapel 541 Melville Ave. (at Tasso), Palo Alto, CA All venues are wheelchair accessible. Admission is free but donations gladly accepted. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Jean Gray Hargrove Music Library University of California, Berkeley Watchman, what of the night? The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): The Book of the Prophet Isaiah 21:11 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:13 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans-digest V4 #273 > In my opinion Derogatis has devolved into the sort of contrarian that > should > take some time off and re-evaluate their critical thinking faculties. With > his "Kill Your Idols" book, he's made it his raison d'itra to take down > what > anyone else thinks is a classic. Most of it's there, if it's accepted by > enough critics or fans as an important album, he's probably taking it > apart > or having someone else take it apart in the most "this is crap" kind of > way. > He seems to me to be either a phony provocateur or just a pissed off man, > incapable of living and let living. Odd that for his Lester Bangs bio, for me at least, he managed reasoned, balanced writing that got the point across without the probably-fatal mistake of trying to imitate the subject. A fine overview of the rise and fall (and rise?) of rock criticism, too. Nobody's mentioned Christgau's "Turkey Shoots"? Andy "You're gonna look great." - --two cute young women at the Red Light, Seattle, last Saturday, looking at me holding up the sort-of-a-poodle skirt I'm wearing for Halloween ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bands reunited (the bands, not the show) > I think one of the healthiest types of reunions come when the "solo" > artist has some degree of understanding of what the "band", and the > chemistry which comes with it, brings out in their work that's not there > otherwise... not necessarily even in terms of "sound"... and turns to the > band judiciously when that makes sense. That is, the artist has a solid > sense of themselves as an individual artist and a collaborator. I guess > this is easiest when you basically have a backing band or two that you > return to when you deem it appropriate (Neil Young), but there are other > folks who seem able to assess what they're writing and whether it belongs > with the band or not. While he does all the writing, and while the relationship surely isn't as simple as "return to when you deem it appropriate," Tom Verlaine's relationship to the other three-fourths of Television seems an otherwise fine example of the above. Wondering what Richard Lloyd looks like now, Andy "Alright! Bass kicks in...cool! They sound kinda like Interpol, that guitar going *duh-duh*, *duh-duh*, *duh-duh*..." "Kind of a Sonic Youth feel..." "Yeah! [pounds foot to the beat] Is this a remake? This is like, the raw version of this song." - --Troy and James, in that order, commenting on Television's "Marquee Moon" and "Satisfaction," from THE BLOW-UP, at the University of Washington Bothell Campus bus stop, 10/11/04 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] yes! On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > There is a rather obvious bit of "Starship Trooper" in one of the > > songs on TTOOL. > > "Ballet Hetero". Just listened to this and wow, yes, "Starship Trooper" has an outro far too similar to "Ballet Hetero" for it to be coincidence. On the other hand, the notes don't sound the same to me. Strange. Didn't Scott say, "You never know when you've subconsciously stolen someone's entire song"? a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:42:01 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Ted Leo + Pharmacists correction In a message dated 10/19/04 9:37:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LkDylaninthmvies writes: > SHAKE THE STREETS that's SHAKE THE SHEETS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:37:12 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Ted Leo + Pharmacists Hey y'all, the new Ted Leo album, SHAKE THE STREETS, is really good. I think it's the best thing he's done yet. It sounds really smooth all the way through without sounding overproduced to me. It flows well. I've had a tendency with his records in the past to skip around, because they sounded pieced together, tracks seeming not to belong next to each other. It was on sale at Earshot Records here for 6.99, so I imagine it's probably on sale everywhere else as well. No big sound change, just no chalky aftertaste. - --Mark S. "Praise the Lord webll have fun in the Son We'll use our Bible like a loaded gun Shut down all who disagree With our bad theology Itbs manifest destiny Christian America" (Brian Healy/Dead Artist Syndrome) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:38:10 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Tucker Carlson If a movie is ever done of Tucker Carlson, he should be played by James Spader. I sure wish I'd seen the big scuffle with Jon Stewart (maybe played by Nicolas Cage?). Bowtie and preppy hair chunks a flyin'.... - --Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:11:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] yes! On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 (EDT), Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > > > There is a rather obvious bit of "Starship Trooper" in one of the > > > songs on TTOOL. > > > > "Ballet Hetero". > > Just listened to this and wow, yes, "Starship Trooper" has an outro far > too similar to "Ballet Hetero" for it to be coincidence. On the other > hand, the notes don't sound the same to me. Strange. Didn't Scott say, > "You never know when you've subconsciously stolen someone's entire song"? I think it was in reference to "Leilani" (not the Hoodoo Gurus song - but he thought it was at first, or something). Anyway, I'd say this is likely a conscious borrowing: notes changed a bit, but the structure is so similar as to be a clear homage. Kinda like what that former lister John Sharples did in almost-exactly-but-not-quite-quoting "My Sweet Lord" on one of the tracks on his new album (http://www.johnsharples.com). Yes, it's true (his lawyerly joke): he plagiarized "My Sweet Lord." - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:18:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] anti-capitalism (a/k/a lower-case revolt) So I picked up my copy of _Smile_ today - and you know how people here were speculating a few weeks back (I think it was here - if it wasn't, well, I'm getting old, you know) that, given how frequently various reviewers were writing the title "SMiLE" in emulation of the cover's graphic design, such typographic shenanigans were one way to distinguish this edition from the bootlegged original one? (As if saying "the 2004 release" or designating which bootleg wouldn't be adequate...) Well, no, and certainly not anyone's intention...since in the booklet itself, the title is consistently written in regular old style, capital-S, lowercase m-i-l-e, whole thing in italics. Down with the teenage poets' club... - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:27:37 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] anti-capitalism (a/k/a lower-case revolt) 2fs wrote: > So I picked up my copy of _Smile_ today - and you know how people here > were speculating a few weeks back (I think it was here - if it wasn't, > well, I'm getting old, you know) that, given how frequently various > reviewers were writing the title "SMiLE" in emulation of the cover's > graphic design, such typographic shenanigans were one way to > distinguish this edition from the bootlegged original one? (As if > saying "the 2004 release" or designating which bootleg wouldn't be > adequate...) > > Well, no, and certainly not anyone's intention...since in the booklet > itself, the title is consistently written in regular old style, > capital-S, lowercase m-i-l-e, whole thing in italics. > > Down with the teenage poets' club... It wasn't here, but I've been waiting for someone to bring this up! The original cover for the abandoned 1967 album had the title written as SMiLE (http://www.adriandenning.co.uk/smile.html and tons of other places if you google for "Beach Boys Smile") so that's the way lots of folks have referred to it since. Looking around those other links for "Beach Boys Smile", you can see lots of places where the album title is written as SMiLE (capital SM, small i, capital LE) even before the new album came out. This probably wasn't the first-ever use of mixed-case typography, but the title was intended all along to be written that way - -STeVE ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #285 *******************************