From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #275 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 6 2004 Volume 04 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Love Zombies (0% Monochrome Set content) [Steve Holtebeck] Re: [loud-fans] Love Zombies (0% Monochrome Set content) [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love [2fs ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] american music club returns [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Love Zombies (0% Monochrome Set content) Rex: > Although I'll probably pick up the box eventually, I find "O&O" basically essential in its > album form... don't know what to compare it to... some relation to middle period Kinks, > but different somehow as well... so I have that and a fairly shabby single-disc best-of > and that does the trick for me. The best intro to the Zombies would be the first two discs of ZOMBIE HEAVEN, which has all of their studio material. Discs three and four are more for the diehards. And O&O is all on it's own at the start of disc two, unlike that Rhino Love 2-disc anthology where FOREVER CHANGES is split between two discs. > However, whoa, what's wrong with "Time of the Season"? Great song. Even if the big-'60's harmony > vocal is a bit much for you, step back from having heard it too many times and appreciate the crazy >resolve on the chorus for the lovely thing it is. I love "TotS"! I was just answering Andrew's question about "Time of the Season"-type songs by mentioning that it isn't terribly representative of the band or the album. Wasn't it added to later pressings of O&O after it became a hit? > I think I've asked before, but does anyone have any insight or recommendations about > Baby Lemonade's own albums? Like Stewart said.. they sound good but don't have many memorable songs. I think both BL and the Wondermints have found their true calling as backing bands for rock icons, because they're perfect as Arthur Lee's backing band. I've never heard any live recordings of the original Love, but can't imagine they sounded as good then as they do now. They do all the FOREVER CHANGES stuff with the horns and strings, but it never gets in the way of the rock! On the reunion front. I think the last two Go-Betweens albums are a straight continuation on their previous ones, the last one had some flaws but RACHEL WORTH is good. Did XTC actually "break up" between NONESUCH and APPLE VENUS, or just go into hibernation to get out of their contract? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:40:17 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Love Zombies (0% Monochrome Set content) On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:03:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00), Steve Holtebeck wrote: > On the reunion front. I think the last two Go-Betweens albums are a straight continuation on > their previous ones, the last one had some flaws but RACHEL WORTH is good. Did XTC > actually "break up" between NONESUCH and APPLE VENUS, or just go into hibernation to > get out of their contract? I like both of the GB albums, but neither as much as some of the earlier material. I don't think XTC ever broke up: they were "on strike" against Virgin records, essentially. Then again, with Dave Gregory leaving, and Colin Moulding drastically cutting back his productivity (I think I read that his wife was having health problems - so, understandably), it's basically the Andy Partridge Show these days. You'll note that that "I Wonder Why the Wonderfalls" TV theme show thingy was released under Andy's name...even though it sounds for all the world like an XTC song. It seems as if Andy's demos are closer and closer to what ends up on the records anyway. I should probably go over to the website and find out what the band is up to - but I've gotta go to work. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:05:45 +0100 From: "Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love > I think > like the Wondermints, they've found their true calling as > backing bands for rock icons. I've never heard any live > recordings of the original Love, but can't imagine they > sounded as good back in the day as Arthur > Lee and Baby Love-ade do now. They can play all the slow > FOREVER CHANGES > stuff with the horns and strings, then can turn around and > rip into something like "Seven and Seven Is"! The live DVD of Forever Changes recorded at the Festival Hall in London is certainly worth the price of admission - uncanny resemblances to the originals. However, not sure if it's some sort of format transfer issue but it looks out of synch to me which is distracting. The interview material is interesting too although I hate the way they programme the extra songs which don't make up Forever Changes - Little Red Book, Seven etc - from the menu you select the song, it plays then goes back to the menu again, so you select the next song and so on. It's daft - I'd have much preferred them to have rolled it into the main concert footage - I'm guessing they performed these as encores so why not leave them there? Ian - who can still listen to and enjoy the Wondermints playing their own songs and isn't actually all that bothered about the SMILE brouhaha... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:58:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: [loud-fans] super-important political issues! Okay, so is the background lyric in Roxy Music's "Re-Make Re-Model" "CPL593H" or "CPL5938"? You really can't hear a closing consonant...but phonetically they're very close. Online websites favor "H" - but they may or may not be accurate. Arguments in favor of your position should be put forth. Thank you. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:06:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] super-important political issues! Jeff: >Okay, so is the background lyric in Roxy Music's "Re-Make Re-Model" >"CPL593H" or "CPL5938"? You really can't hear a closing >consonant...but phonetically they're very close. Online websites favor >"H" - but they may or may not be accurate. Arguments in favor of your >position should be put forth. It's definitely the former. I agree that it's indistinct as sung, but I've been on the Avalon list long enough and read enough Roxy/Ferry stories and interviews to be real comfortable with "H" as definitive. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:22:19 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Acronym acrimony Miles: >>I don't have an AMC rule, but to me, WEST was the Eitzel product I always >>wanted, with some tunefulness and sonic variety making the trademark >>Eitzel scary gloomfests much more effective IMO. You know what? That IS a good record. I'd kind of forgotten it due to the double-edged sword of indifference to both Eitzel's later output and Pete Buck's increasingly dull and prodigious non-REM collaborations... "West" being the first I heard, before the deluge of Tuatara/Minus 5/guesting on everybody else in Seattle's records and jangling/6-string bassing/Coral Sitaring* by the numbers phase. Anyway, "West" itself hardly bespeaks sellout to me... really quite an immediate record, isn't it? Stewart: >>The CVB album doesn't exactly pick up exactly where KEY LIME PIE left off >>- -- rather like TUSK, it indulges in a certain kind of computer-based sound >>manipulation that just wasn't easily done back in the day by a CVB-type >>band -- but it definitely sounds like the same band. They sure sound the same live! And I guess that computer stuff is really cut from the same cloth as their old-school tape manipulations and so forth. But apparently it goes both ways for them... I picked up their web-only live CD from a show in Seattle earlier this year, and they do one of their "backwards songs"... forget which one, but one of the ones on the early records where they did a new instrumental track to the backwards vocal of another song... and it sounds exactly right, down even to the backing vocals. Cool. Steve H: >And O&O is all on it's own at the start of disc two, unlike that Rhino >Love 2-disc anthology that splits FOREVER CHANGES across two discs. ... and I have a similar Small Faces 2-disc-er which splits the entirety of Ogden's Nut Gone Flake over the end of disc 1/beginning of disc 2. And we just addressed Cale's "Island Years"... Moby Grape's "Vintage" contains the entirety of the debut, IIRC... isn't all of Pet Sounds on the Beach Boy's disc as well? I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. There are cases where it does get you the band's whole worthwhile output in one package (Moby Grape especially), but in some of those cases (The Small Faces) it's actually stopped me from truly appreciating what's assessed as a classic album *as* an album. In others (Cale) I knew the albums themselves already, but can imagine the discs playing as a collection of stuff that's more eclectic and less coherent than it is to those less experienced with Cale's catalog, and I weep for such people, kinda. >>I think >>like the Wondermints, they've found their true calling as backing bands >>for rock icons. Yeah, I kinda wonder if Baby Lemonade is listening to Smile right now and muttering "Goddamn Arthur... why did actually have to FINISH Forever Changes? We coulda been a contender..." Jeffrey: >>I'm looking forward to the AMC and the CVB as well. Not so much the >>DMV and the DMZ, however. I note you're staying out of the fray on the topic of the REM. What I'm least looking forward to, of course, is the GWB, courtesy of the RNC. Although if there's a new POD on the way, that'll probably be almost as bad. - -Rex Broome (guitar and vocal., POS) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:38:23 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] R.E.M. I've listened to the new record about three times since yesterday. I (like probably everyone else aside from Kings of Convenience) was hoping there'd be a quasi-rocky song on there somewhere. Will they ever rock again? I'm glad they're still together, but damn, recruit Curtis Crowe or something. - --Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:41:59 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles wrote: >Ian - who can still listen to and enjoy the Wondermints playing their own >songs and isn't actually all that bothered about the SMILE brouhaha... > > > Let me preface this by saying I was never a huge Beach Boys fan, I bought Pet Sounds for one song ("Woudn't It Be Nice") and that's usually all I play off it, and I haven't yet heard Smile, nor any of the bootleg Smiles, so I don't know those songs. So, last night I was listening to 3wk, sorting through huge stacks of mail that accrued while we were out of town, and on comes a retro sounding song. I stopped, listened, and said, "What is this? It sounds almost like the Wondermints." Yep, you guessed it. It was a set of short songs strung together from Smile. Jen (who loves the Wondermints, especially in summer, driving with the top down) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:57:58 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] bludlows update A while ago I asked the list if anyone knew anything about Boston band the Bludlows and no one replied. I'm not surprised. I managed to get ahold of them by emailing 3wk about my plight, and the band has been in touch ever since (they know I want to review the album once it's in my hands). They were in the process of putting together a website, and now it's up, with tunes, including a Dream Syndicate cover. Ordering is still primitive, but if you like what you hear and can't get it any other way... In what I've heard of their stuff (about half of the album) I hear flavors of Dream Syndicate, Television, Violent Femmes, and old school punk/post punk. http://www.bludlows.com/ Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:22:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:41:59 -0400, Jenny Grover wrote: > driving with the top down) In Columbus, that's how they mow the lawn. (Janet may have to explain that one...) - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:34:03 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Zombie Love 2fs wrote: >>driving with the top down) >> >> > >In Columbus, that's how they mow the lawn. > >(Janet may have to explain that one...) > > > Um... that's okay. I'm not sure I really want to know. At any rate, I did not mean with MY top down, but rather my car's. Did see some tops pulled up at X-Fest last Saturday, and some pants lost by crowd surfers. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:56:21 +0100 From: "Angela Bennett & Ian Runeckles" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] super-important political issues! > It's definitely the former. I agree that it's indistinct as > sung, but I've been on the Avalon list long enough and read > enough Roxy/Ferry stories and interviews to be real > comfortable with "H" as definitive. Agreed - it's a car registration number plate - CPL 593H - I'm betting that some Roxy mega fan now owns it... Late great Ian MacDonald interview over at Roxyrama mentions it... http://www.roxyrama.com/articles/article_interview_nme_sep1973.html Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com wrote: > Will they ever rock again? I'm glad they're still together, but damn, > recruit Curtis Crowe or something. If having William Rieflin (Swans, Nine Inch Nails, Revolting Cocks, Ministry, Lard, KMFDM) in the band hasn't raised their energy level, I suspect a personnel change is not the answer. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] american music club returns On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > So really the problem is "why do people say these sorts of things?" > rather than an intrinsic problem with reunion albums as such. And yet, I don't think the desire for reunion albums to be familiar in that way is ridiculous. It's probably MORE healthy to buy Artist X's new album because you liked his old ones than because you've developed an attachment to him as a person that would make you want the new album even if it were entirely unlike what you'd heard before. Well, no, that's putting it too strongly-- if only because when a musician makes a "totally different" album, it often has some of the same qualities their old work did, even if those qualities. But... well, there's something going on there I can't put my finger on. Yeah, there's a kind of emotional vampirism that happens when fans DEMAND a musician never change. That's lame. And yet there's a particular *kind* of spiritlessness that bandleaders' solo albums sometimes have which it feels like working in a group could fix. Except it often doesn't, so I should be trying to justify the expectation that it would. a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #275 *******************************