From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #268 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, September 30 2004 Volume 04 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] The Rosebuds [dennis ] [loud-fans] GbV tour cancelled - YLT news ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] revisited [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Back to Picture Book (Briefly) [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] Back to Picture Book (Briefly) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Linda Perhacs on Gilmore Girls ["Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] The Rosebuds Hi, so I saw the Rosebuds (www.therosebuds.com) on Mark's recommendation. They played at Modified, an artspace in downtown Phoenix. They are a fun band, worth checking out. I like their sound - singer/guitarist, girl on synth sounding like organ, very energetic drummer. Kicks in the Schoolyard (available in mp3 format on their website) is a good song to give you a feel for how they sound. After the opening band's entourage left the Rosebuds were playing to five people, and still put on an energetic show. Mark, thanks for the recommendation. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:21:21 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] GbV tour cancelled - YLT news Thought this would be of interest for any fans anticipating the remaining shows. Pollard announced at the beginning of the Cat's Cradle show last night in Carrboro, NC that the remainder of the tour was indefinitely suspended due to the death of an unnamed friend on Tuesday. Bob said he had died of lung cancer and that as of today he had quit smoking. Amazingly enough he got through a 3 hour set without a cigarette. Of course he hasn't given up other things as he was already trashed at soundcheck and by the end of the show last night was barely standing. It was a very uneven show by GbV standards possibly due to the inclusion of many slower, longer songs. After the first encore and a long delay the house light came up but the crowd was having none of that and continued to rant until the band agreed to take the stage again for another couple of songs closing with the one of the best songs of the evening "I Am a Scientist". Portastatic opening the night the night and were great. I think I enjoy Mac McCaughan 's side project more than Superchunk. Pollard and Doug Gillard came out to do a song with them near the end of their set. Of course it was nice seeing my favorite and |ber GbV fan ana again. And on a related Cat's Cradle note I've learned that Chris Stamey AND Mitch Easter will be sitting in with Yo La Tengo at their show here October 10th. Blearily, Larry np: Crippled Pilgrims - Down Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:50:24 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] GbV tour cancelled - YLT news > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Larry Tucker > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:21 AM > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: [loud-fans] GbV tour cancelled - YLT news > > > Portastatic opening the night the night and were great. I think I enjoy > Mac > McCaughan > 3C4 > FCCA670FA00D24FDA8611344754D5B97F4B82006AE253E79B9CE5A539BD66ADF631A65A0 FD > 786 > E75CFCD56C3E399D9FDB&sql=11:5gq4g4ebtv8z> 's side project more than > Superchunk. Pollard and Doug Gillard came out to do a song with them near > the > end of their set. WTF! Told you I was a more than a little bleary. LT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:59:54 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] FW: [paisley-pop] A Message from Mr. Stamey More on the Chris Stamey V.O.T.E. PSA's and new album with YLT. Courtesy of the Guitartown list. Larry > Chris Stamey with Yo La Tengo: "don't forget to VOTE" PSA > > Howdy everybody, > > Here is a link to a few Public Service Announcements I recently > recorded with Yo La Tengo. > > There is a cool Flash animation video, by Tim Harper, as well as 3 > downloadable audio files (available in mp3 or wav formats). > Hit "Enter" at the bottom of the video to get the audio links. > > http://www.yeproc.com/vote/ > > If you want to pass this around, feel free, same goes if you want to > play it on the radio. And there's a whole CD YLT and I did together, > also called V.O.T.E., coming out before too long as well, with some > relevant cover songs and some new songs, too. > > Chris > > PS: by the way, I'm playing this weekend: > > in New York City this Friday Oct. 1, at Bowery Ballroom, with Tift > Merritt and the Damnwells > in Vienna, Va., Saturday Oct. 2, at Jammin' Java, with Ian Moore > in Brooklyn, NY, Sunday Oct. 3, at Southpaw, with Tift Merritt > in Ashbury Park, NJ, Monday Oct. 4, at the Saint > > Playing with me on these shows will be Tyson Rogers, keys; Skip and > Logan Matheny, bass and drums (from Roman Candle); and Matt > McMichaels, guitar. > > And Yo La Tengo is in the middle of a very interesting swing-state > tour, with lots of guests and cool stuff, check out the schedule at > > http://www.yolatengo.com > > Mitch Easter and I are sitting in on the Oct. 10 show at Cat's Cradle > in Chapel Hill, NC. > > For information on the V.O.T.E. PSA, or the current album Travels In > the South and fall tour, please contact: > > Cary Baker > conqueroo > 13351-D Riverside Dr. #655 > Sherman Oaks, CA 91423-2540 > Tel: (818) 501-2001 > Fax: (636) 246-0802 > cary@conqueroo.com > http://www.conqueroo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:47:55 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rosebuds In a message dated 9/29/04 4:01:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@illusions.com writes: > After the opening > band's entourage left the Rosebuds were playing to five people The opening band's entourage's loss. In Athens back when the last Pernice Brothers album came out, I went to see them with an old friend and the place cleared out when Mates of State finished. The Pernice Brothers were playing to Ward and I, and about five others. It was sad, but classic. The true zeitgeist happens, and few pay attention (yes, I mean this, arrogant as that sounds). Keyboardist Kelly is stunning, is she no? Lucky Ivan (singer/husband). She's also a performance artist. She used to teach math. I found a lesson plan of hers on the web! Guys, go out and see them and talk to them! They are very approachable. - --Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:11:51 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Hey, Jeffrey's right! "screening Stipe's booty calls... with John Cale's teeth!" More disturbing than funny, really... - -Rex Broome (guitar and vocal, John Cale's Teeth) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:56:42 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Musician, heal thyself Bradley: >>Both "Up" and "Reveal" basically demand you go to them--they're not giving >>you what you think you want and they stick steadfastly to things you think >>aren't supposed to work. But if you let them lead, they're thoroughly >>rewarding. Hmmm. Well, UP inspired me to listen to it, to figure out those oddball things; in that sense, it was compelling right away. REVEAL just sounded samey and torpid at first (with a few exceptions), and the songs in the UP mold seemed to be repeating the same themes with less inspired turns of phrase. Believe me, I wanted to like it, as a lonely UP fan, but it just never happened for me. I keep hearing charges that the new REM is very "adult contemporary", and I'm starting to wonder if maybe they feel like they need to reconnect with their core audience and perceive that core to be "Automatic For the People" diehards, which I think is misguided... no dis on AFTP, but just because a record is your biggest seller doesn't make it your quintessential record, and in fact it may be the record that's the least "yours", if that makes sense... just the one that somehow appealed to more people who don't actually like your band across the boards. It kinda reminds me of the "dull" period of Sonic Youth where they would go on at length about how "the kids" expect this and that from their albums... I was out of college by that time and seemed to be on the young end of the SY demographic, so I was confused as to who these "kids" were.... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:00:27 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Musician, heal thyself Bradley: >>Both "Up" and "Reveal" basically demand you go to them--they're not >>giving you what you think you want and they stick steadfastly to >>things you think aren't supposed to work. But if you let them lead, >>they're thoroughly rewarding. Hmmm. Well, UP inspired me to listen to it, to figure out those oddball things; in that sense, it was compelling right away. REVEAL just sounded samey and torpid at first (with a few exceptions), and the songs in the UP mold seemed to be repeating the same themes with less inspired turns of phrase. Believe me, I wanted to like it, as a lonely UP fan, but it just never happened for me. My comments on Up, previously anthologized some years back, are at http://www.macdialup.com/zwilliams/review47.htm and I maintain that it's got some lovely melodies, wrenching lyrics, and coheres in a way that neither Reveal nor some of the other, more successful albums have. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:43:25 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Musician, heal thyself At 10:00 AM 9/29/2004 -0700, Michael Zwirn wrote: >My comments on Up, previously anthologized some years back, are at >http://www.macdialup.com/zwilliams/review47.htm and I maintain that it's got >some lovely melodies, wrenching lyrics, and coheres in a way that neither >Reveal nor some of the other, more successful albums have. I highly recommend reading this review. Perhaps the highest compliment you can give a reviewer is that you enjoyed a review of theirs that was completely at odds with your own take, and Michael's Herculean engagement with UP is one of those very special pieces of writing for me. Finished my first listen to ANTICS and started on a second go-round this morning. Someone somewhere else (Feg or, more likely, idealcopy) said that this album was as front-loaded as its predecessor.* At least on this first listen, I don't agree, because I thought that what in a bygone age would have been known as "Side 2" was maybe the most fascinating *series* of songs they'd come up with so far -- not so much that they stand out individually, but they work together well. And a second listen to what would have been known as "Side 1" rocked me harder than it did the first time. It may have even been a good sign that I wasn't totally flipped out by the first listen, because very few of my all-time favorites have grabbed me completely from the start. I think ANTICS is gonna stick. later, Miles *Heck, I'm not sure that I completely agree with that criticism of TURN ON THE BRIGHT LIGHTS, especially since I'm a big fan of album-ender "Leif Erikson," but it does come out of the gate really stongly, no question about it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:44:19 -0700 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Smile arrives I picked up the Brian Wilson Smile disc that came out (I think) yesterday and it's just amazing. I listened to it repeatedly last night and have to say that it's more than I could have expected. I was initially a bit cynical about the Wilson version being re-recorded with his current band (mostly The Wondermints) as I've not been all that impressed with Wilson's voice and solo work in recent years. My expectations were low, but this is completely satisfying. Much of the recording is virtually indecernable as new, the attention to detail is so great, there's a lack of any trendy modern studio trickery and Wilson's voice sounds so much younger than on other recent recordings. My wife, Shannon, didn't initially believe me that it was all newly recorded. It may not be as abstract or bent or drug addled as some may have expected, but it is still a brilliant piece of orchestral pop and it works perfectly as a follow up to Pet Sounds. Detractors, bring it on. I always liked "Revolver" better than "Sgt. Pepper" anyways, so don't bother me with the "It ain't 'Sgt Pepper'" arguement. - - Dan V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:10:07 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] revisited At 01:32 PM 9/27/2004 -0400, LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com wrote: >Did you notice how the first album's sleeve was redone after Duran Duran got >huge? Gone were the New Romantic frillies and there they were, looking like >they did at the time of the reissue. I think the record company was afraid that the TIGER BEAT crowd would frightened and confused by the "old" look. "Old" being very relative here, since that look dated from only the year before! >There was a clique in my high school called "The Duran Duran Girls," and they >were identified by which member of the band's button they wore on their >Forenza sweaters. At my high school, though I think everyone dug "Hungry Like the Wolf" (I remember the basketball team, of all folks, grooving to it in the winter of '82-'83 when we were coming back late at night from a road game), I don't think it turned into that sort of obsessive dedication. That seemed to be the province of late elementary and early junior high kids, especially, but not limited to, girls. When the Durannies played Roanoke, VA, at the height of RIO-induced hysteria, it seemed like it was only those young'uns (and their parents) who made the two-hour trek to see them. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Back to Picture Book (Briefly) > Upon learning that the Young Fresh Fellows' "Picture Book" was a > remake of The Kinks, I thought to myself, Well surely the Kinks' > version doesn't say, "Scooby-dooby-doo". That has to be pure > McCaughey. But sure enough, the phrase is in the original. > > The television show Scooby Doo first aired in the fall of 69, while > VILLAGE GREEN PRESERVATION SOCIETY was released in 68. So where did > the phrase come from? Apparently Sinatra's "Strangers in the Night". > At least, that was the source of the phrase for the television show. Ah, but you're forgetting the Archies' "Feelin' So Good (S.K.O.O.B.Y.-D.O.O.)" released in '69 also. Well, I'm pretty sure it's not on the first album. Anybody know how to actually pull up the track list at allmusic.com these days? Thinking Miles should consult...er...that huge website with tapes of apparently every concert ever played (do we have a proper archive of the list these days?) (I sure miss having a searchable one...) Andy "R2D'oh!" - --spray-painted in red on the alley side of Hal's Motor Clinic, Roosevelt Way, University District, Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:56:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Back to Picture Book (Briefly) Andy: >Thinking Miles should consult...er...that huge website with tapes of >apparently every concert ever played Why? >(do we have a proper archive of the >list these days?) (I sure miss having a searchable one...) http://www.smoe.org/lists/loud-fans Though I'm told that the eScribe archive has sporadically crackled back to life, only to fizz out just as quickly. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Back to Picture Book (Briefly) > Andy: >>Thinking Miles should consult...er...that huge website with tapes of >>apparently every concert ever played > > Why? With the logic that if they have every concert ever played by anyone (and they seem to), John Cale's only Nashville appearance must be in there somewhere. Somebody out there knows what I'm talking about, right? Downloadable shows? Gig-something? Joe? It was mentioned onlist sometime in the last year. Cleaning hair off the keyboard again, Andy 637. Last Sonnet BRIGHT Star, would I were steadfast as thou art Not in lone splendour hung aloft the night, And watching, with eternal lids apart, Like Nature's patient sleepless Eremite, The moving waters at their priest-like task Of pure ablution round earth's human shores, Or gazing on the new soft-fallen mask Of snow upon the mountains and the moors Noyet still steadfast, still unchangeable, Pillow'd upon my fair love's ripening breast, To feel for ever its soft fall and swell, Awake for ever in a sweet unrest, Still, still to hear her tender-taken breath, And so live everor else swoon to death. - --John Keats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:53:24 -0700 From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Linda Perhacs on Gilmore Girls So what do folks think of the way the show has changed through the last few episodes of last season to the present? Instead of not-wanting-to-be-town-princess and I-like-grandma-but-you-don't (almost) pseudo-conflicts, we've moved on to adultery, the decline and ultimate dissolution of marriages, law-suits ruining relationships, sleeping with your professor, getting kicked out of house at the age of 18, and, well, a long-awaited relationship finally given a chance. Oh, and night terrors. While I think the innocence (and somewhat better writing) of the first couple of seasons was a good part of its charm, I actually think they've done a pretty good job at bringing in the adult themes. And, the way they brought Lorelai and Luke together was natural--Luke first trying to figure out how to make the jump to a relationship and then starting out with some fake dates. Or was Rory sleeping with Dean a jump the shark moment? Sorry to fill up Miles' inbox, mm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Re-cording Sorry, time for a recording update.... A couple of Saturdays ago, I finished a fine vocal track for This Is The Space Age. Except for some irritating cat moments, it all went relatively well, considering my limited expertise and old school equipment. And the irritating cat moments. So I'm belting out this tune, hoping the neighbors aren't hearing it, and due to my low rent recording set-up, I have to get it all in 1 take. No punching in and out, just flat out DO IT ALL IN ONE TAKE! There is a nifty little lead up to the chorus that I wanted to distinguish from the rest of the song by some sort of effect. I was hearing an EQ thing, where the vocals sound all mid-rangey and robot like, but couldn't find a sound I liked. Tried my phase-shifter, octave divider, chorus to no avail. Ended up running it through the trusty digital delay pedal, and that worked fine. In order to do that (all in one take), I had to QUIETLY step on the pedal, during the take without making too much noise, as I was singing! Told you this is low rent! It's a good track! Challenges my vocal range with plenty of low notes and high notes (without going to a falsetto). The lyrics came around quickly, and they are not bad. Now for the cat thing. I bet that any cat owners out there will know exactly what I'm talking about here. If you're a dog person, or pet free, excuse the following. Monster (our cat), has a very annoying, yet effective way of getting attention if he feels neglected. For instance: - --years ago, if we were watching TV, and he tired of us staring at it and not him, he would do the one thing that he knew would push our buttons. The little asshole would walk behind the TV set where there were tons of cables, junction boxes, extension chords, etc., knowing full well that I would get up screaming at him as he quickly ran away. It worked. - --a few years ago, if we wanted to SLEEP UNTIL THE ALARM WENT OFF, he would start running through the vertical blinds, making an amazing clatter, waking us up 30-45 minute before we needed to be awake. This worked, too. - --now, if the little runty bastard thinks I'm spending too much time doing vocal takes, or listening to the headphones, trying to mix the songs, he slyly bellies up to the offending mic cable or headphone cord and starts to pretend that he's gonna CHEW ON THE DAMN THING! Works every time. I pay attention to him then. I throw (gently) his little monkey ass out into the hall and shut the door. It can be hours later that I emerge, and sure enough, there he is, right outside the door, looking as cute as he can be. See what I'm dealing with here? Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:59:05 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Linda Perhacs on Gilmore Girls About our subject line: I hadn't heard her before, although Aaron (and others?) have raved about her before. Is what was played typical? Because I liked it pretty well. On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:53:24 -0700, "Michael Mitton" said: > So what do folks think of the way the show has changed through the > last few episodes of last season to the present? Instead of > not-wanting-to-be-town-princess and I-like-grandma-but-you-don't > (almost) pseudo-conflicts, we've moved on to adultery, the decline and > ultimate dissolution of marriages, law-suits ruining relationships, > sleeping with your professor, getting kicked out of house at the age > of 18, and, well, a long-awaited relationship finally given a chance. > Oh, and night terrors. > > While I think the innocence (and somewhat better writing) of the first > couple of seasons was a good part of its charm, I actually think > they've done a pretty good job at bringing in the adult themes. And, > the way they brought Lorelai and Luke together was natural--Luke first > trying to figure out how to make the jump to a relationship and then > starting out with some fake dates. > > Or was Rory sleeping with Dean a jump the shark moment? I think the writing in the first couple seasons was better in terms of that sort of screwball-comedy quickness - but I rather like what they've been doing in terms of plotting recently. It was obvious a couple years ago that eventually they'd have to solve the problem of Rory's virginity - since the show is set now and not in the Victorian era. I think the setup, the payoff, and - sadly - the results, are all true enough to life and effective. With everything going on at once, of course, they risk losing control of the stories and veering off into melodrama...but so far, they've kept a good balance between letting the drama play as drama and the comedy as comedy, complementarily. Although I would have liked it better if *Lorelai* realized that her staff was beginning to regard her in the way Emily's help regarded Emily...rather than have it pointed out to her. Just a little heavy-handed on the family-resemblance-depsite-apparent-wild-differences thing. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:51:23 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Musician, heal thyself >I'm starting to wonder if maybe they feel like they need >to reconnect with their core audience and perceive that >core to be "Automatic For the People" diehards I don't get that impression at all. I think they're doing what they want to do. > which I think is misguided... no dis on AFTP, but just > because a record is your biggest seller doesn't make it > your quintessential record Well, I do think AFTP is REM's finest record, but neither Up nor Reveal have much in common with AFTP. One of the things that I think is extraordinary about Reveal is that they took a similar style of arrangement and production as Up, and used it to create a dramatically different album. > It kinda reminds me of the "dull" period of Sonic Youth > where they would go on at length about how "the kids" > expect this and that from their albums... The problem with Sonic Youth, though, is that really aren't good at more than their fundamental thing, and instead of doing something really different they just do their usual thing less well. REM seems to have lost a good chunk of their audience that likes certain elements of what they do, but they've done it by trying new things and branching out. Whether they succeed or not is up to personal taste, but the possibility exists that some fans leave because REM aren't doing what the fan likes, as opposed to REM doing what the fan likes, but badly. I love all of REM's records, but given a choice between listening to the first six and the last six, i'll take the last the last six. More heartbreak in Giants-land--couldn't we have just lost the game without losing Dustan Mohr and, maybe, Durham? I'm not going to have any fingernails left for tomorrow's return of Williams... B ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #268 *******************************