From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #255 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, September 17 2004 Volume 04 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] urticaria [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] Sowing the Seeds of La's ["Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Sowing the Seeds of La's > Call me > Mellow is psych jangle pop. Totally unlike them. >>It sounds remarkably like There She Goes by the La's. Just heard it... it sure as hell does! >>It doesn't sound like a ripoff I'm... not sure I can agree with that... >>but it has the same shimmery guitar chorus, and it sounds like >>you've heard it 100 times the first time you hear it the way the La's song does. ... even more so since you *have* heard the La's song 1,000 times, and add another 200 apiece for the Boo Radleys and Sixpence None the Richer covers of it. But I guess it sits nicely next to their cover of "I Am the Walrus". Hmmm. There's still a big "no sale" sign on TFF for me. Someone recently played me their first album, thinking that it would fit into my early-'80's musical tastes better than the later stuff, but it didn't do much for me... kinda stilted. I think the vocal style just doesn't hit the spot and the lyrics strike me as weak. To forestall the cries of heresy and negativity, let me say that I think the new John Cale album is phenomenal. Truly great, far better than even the positive reviews had led me to believe. Musically inventive, melodically memorable... what a variety of textures... and man, those lyrics. Classic Cale: dark but in a way that leaves you smiling as often as not (although a lot of it is genuinely disturbing). It strikes me that this is a time when Cale's paranoid international-intrigue abstractions (lots of those here) come damned close to describing reality, and I have a feeling that when, inevitably, GWB goes waltzing back into the White House, I'm gonna be taking some kind of sick solace in this twisted piece of work. Sadly, it might just as well be titled "Music for a New Society". (Especially since the album's title is the lamest thing about it.) Seriously. It's great. I could go on and on about it. And man, is my Best of 2004 List shaping up bizarrely... >>(long live Fall-related subject lines!) Damn... couldn't think of one for this post... >>Johnny Ramone, the lead guitarist with influential >>U.S. punk rock band the Ramones, died on Wednesday after a >>five-year battlewith prostate cancer, a long-time associate told Reuters. Shit. Fewer original Ramones than Beatles now walk this earth. That blows. But... "lead guitarist"? - -Rexie Ramone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:36:31 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sowing the Seeds of La's On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:14:13 -0700, "Rex.Broome" said: > > Call me > > Mellow is psych jangle pop. Totally unlike them. > > >>It sounds remarkably like There She Goes by the La's. > > Just heard it... it sure as hell does! Did you hear it online, or just happen to hear it? If the first...where? > To forestall the cries of heresy and negativity, let me say that I think > the new John Cale album is phenomenal. Truly great, far better than even > the positive reviews had led me to believe. Musically inventive, > melodically memorable... what a variety of textures... and man, those > lyrics. Classic Cale: dark but in a way that leaves you smiling as often > as not (although a lot of it is genuinely disturbing). It strikes me > that this is a time when Cale's paranoid international-intrigue > abstractions (lots of those here) come damned close to describing > reality, and I have a feeling that when, inevitably, GWB goes waltzing > back into the White House, I'm gonna be taking some kind of sick solace > in this twisted piece of work. Sadly, it might just as well be titled > "Music for a New Society". (Especially since the album's title is the > lamest thing about it.) Haven't heard it yet - your comments seem likely to move it near the top of my "to-get" list. The cover seems to be an homage to _Vintage Violence_, no? Or to _The Prisoner_... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sowing the ashes of Johnny > Shit. Fewer original Ramones than Beatles now walk this earth. That blows. I just think it's funny that he gets a statue. The last time I checked Dee Dee's final resting place on findagrave.com, he didn't even have a marker. Not sure whether to be more surprised that the Blue Nile have a new album or that some people apparently think of one of rock and roll's all-time high water marks as "some sort of novelty-song lightweight," Andy Taiwanese director Tsai Ming-Liang's stunning "Goodbye, Dragon Inn," which takes place in a faded, decrepit Taipei movie palace on the night of its last-ever showing, is a paean to the togetherness of isolation among moviegoers. There are two sets of characters in "Goodbye, Dragon Inn": those in the movie that's being shown -- King Hu's lush-looking 1966 swordplay classic "Dragon Inn" -- and those who sit in the seats as it unfolds before them, either romantically rapt or comically distracted. Which group is more ghostly, and which more alive? There's no specific answer, the suggestion being that whenever we give ourselves over to movie images, in some ways we become ghosts ourselves, while the celluloid figures in front of us can seem more real than our flesh-and-blood neighbors. - --Stephanie Zacharek, from http://salon.com/ent/movies/review/2004/09/16/dragon_inn/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:57:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? At 11:49 PM 9/15/2004 -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >I could have phrased my Jobriath mention a lot better. It's a compilation >culled from his two Elektra albums, under the title of LONELY PLANET BOY. (I >originally thought that title was pretty awful, and maybe somebody had >figured out >that it sounds too much like a T. Rex tribute. Wouldn't that be a New York Dolls tribute instead? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:28:48 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? > >I could have phrased my Jobriath mention a lot better. It's a compilation > >culled from his two Elektra albums, under the title of LONELY PLANET BOY. >(I I'm just wondering who else here has heard Jobriath? I'm a fan of glam in its many forms and I find his music just about the dullest thing to come out of the genre. I also have the album by his 60s folk/psych band Pidgeon, and it's boring too. Some better lesser-known glam albums worth investigating: David Werner : WHIZZ KID Shakane : SHAKANE NBQ : NBQ (all-female Swedish band who actually cover Jobriath's best song!) _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:12:28 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sowing the Seeds of La's In a message dated 9/16/2004 3:30:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com writes: It doesn't sound like a ripoff I'm... not sure I can agree with that... There was the rumor floated when Gary Jules had a hit with TFF'd Mad World, that Tears got back together to cash in on the attention paid to Jules and his hit cover. Tears insist that wasn't true. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:14:10 -0400 From: John Swartzentruber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? On 9/16/2004 4:28 PM Aaron Milenski wrote: >> >I could have phrased my Jobriath mention a lot better. It's a >> compilation >> >culled from his two Elektra albums, under the title of LONELY PLANET >> BOY. (I > > > I'm just wondering who else here has heard Jobriath? > > I'm a fan of glam in its many forms and I find his music > just about the dullest thing to come out of the genre. > > I also have the album by his 60s folk/psych band Pidgeon, > and it's boring too. > > Some better lesser-known glam albums worth investigating: > David Werner : WHIZZ KID David Werner was glam? I'm only familiar with his self titled '79 release. It's on my list of vinyl that I wish were on CD. I don't suppose anything of his was ever available on CD? Ah, Pittsburgh in the late 70's and 80's. I wish I could get the Silencers first one on CD, too. Donnie Iris seems to be the only one who made it from analog to digital. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:25:14 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? > I'm just wondering who else here has heard Jobriath? > > I'm a fan of glam in its many forms and I find his music > just about the dullest thing to come out of the genre. I'm a fan of Jobriath's and I have to agree completely with Mr. Milenski--it's really, really dull! I like him mostly because he's an interesting story and he occupies an important space in the Morrissey iconography. There are a handful of cool songs, but mostly it's just overblown and badly sung glam-lite power ballads. When he rocks out he's kind of got a weird manic Jagger thing going on that's interesting, but really he's pretty lousy. Same goes for Brett Smiley who was the other great super-hyped, ultra-gay, tone deaf glam rock never-was! I actually have a live Jobriath bootleg somehere that i've never listened to--I should dig it out and see if he actually has anything going on in a live context. I'm going to bet not! This is a good time to say that Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel are super underrated. The album Psychomodo is fantastic and probably sounds better now than it did then. luv, B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:33:00 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? >>David Werner : WHIZZ KID >David Werner was glam? I'm only familiar with his self titled '79 release. >It's on my list of vinyl that I wish were on CD. I don't suppose anything >of his was ever available on CD? No CD that I know of. WHIZZ KID (1975) was certainly glam. I haven't heard anything he did after that... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:38:47 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? >This is a good time to say that Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel are super >underrated. The album Psychomodo is fantastic and probably sounds better >now >than it did then. Absolutely! For some reason, Cockney Rebel was the last of the major glam bands I bothered to investigate, just getting their albums last year, and, man, is PSYCHOMODO a great record...great, great, great, and better with each listen. Their first album is ace too, but PSYCHOMODO is easily one of the four or five best albums of the entire genre. I'm amazed that they never really received much critical acclaim, and that they went so unnoticed in the USA. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:16:32 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tears for Jobriath, anyone? > PSYCHOMODO > a great record...great, great, great, and better with each > listen. Their first album is ace too, but > PSYCHOMODO is > easily one of the four or five best albums of the entire > genre. It really is that good--lyrically outrageous but brilliant, and the music is fantastic. Lots of weird cabaret keyboard glam things going on. It almost makes me think of early Phil Judd-era Split Enz, but much darker and better realized. One of these days i'm going to rant about how brilliant Split Enz's Dyzrythmia is, but I don't have time right now... > I'm amazed that they never really received much critical > acclaim, and that they went so unnoticed in the USA. In England, they weren't just underrated, but they appear to have been mostly despised. They were thought of as a Roxy and/or Bowie rip-off (both are true, but with time I think it's probably revealed itself as something all its own), and Harley had an outrageous ego that was really unlikable. I think they just rubbed everyone the wrong way and looked like poseurs. Sometimes those bands go on to look great with hindsight. B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:22:49 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] a hard rain's a-gonna fall/Stacey's mom East Coasters, ready for yet another installment of rain? They're predicting up to 15 inches in my area when it's all said and done. Poor Asheville an hour up the road about floated away from the last go round. I was curious. I saw the Stacey's Mom video on AOL, and it was hard to see clearly with dial-up, but is that song and perhaps the video based on the movie VALLEY GIRL? Remember in the movie Julie's friend Stacey had the horny mom that went after one of Stacey's potential boyfriends? Stacey comes home to find the guy in bed with her mom. - --Mark S., still drying out from work tonight ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #255 *******************************