From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #252 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, September 14 2004 Volume 04 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] seen New Orleans, Oklahoma, Tennessee [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? [Jenny Grover spring.com> cc: (bcc: Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds) Sent by: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book owner-loud-fans@sm oe.org 09/10/04 06:09 PM At 02:59 PM 9/10/2004 -0700, Michael Mitton wrote: >> Are you sure? I could have sworn it was the original Kinks version...... > >Yes, I am sure. The unfotunate thing is that I'm also wrong! I'm so >embarrased--I had no idea the Fellows version was a remake. I'm weeping openly here. Anyone got a spare copy of VILLAGE GREEN PRESERVATION SOCIETY for Michael? later, Miles, who thinks the greatest run of albums ever was the Kinks' 1966-71 streak (FACE TO FACE through MUSWELL HILLBILLIES) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:38:06 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? Miles: >>who thinks the greatest run of >>albums ever was the Kinks' 1966-71 >>streak (FACE TO FACE through >>MUSWELL HILLBILLIES) That's certainly up there... I assume 2 brilliant album in a row can't count as a "run", right? That there is, what, seven proper albums plus some odds and sods and a companion compilation that's great in its own right. Ironically, to my mind, the weakest of the bunch features the biggest hit ("Lola"). Here's something: the convenience store near my work where I occasionally stop plays the oldies station, which is pretty standard "hit" fare... but a few weeks back, I actually heard "Sunny Afternoon" while standing at the ATM (or "ATM machine" as the sign sign on their front window window would have it). So... was that a "hit" in the US? I never heard it until I started acquiring proper Kinks albums. Michael Wells: >>Speaking of covers, on Scott's summer tour with John Wesley Harding and >>ex-Poi Dog regular Dag Juhlin (billed as the "All Male Threesome" - trust >>me, don't google that) Duly noted. What was Juhlin's role in Poi Dog? (Aside: Juhlin crops up twice on the mix comp Michael just sent to me (review forthcoming) so I was gonna ask this anyhow...) >>Michael "*your tolerance for Dave Davies' guitar playing may vary" Wells Mine never has! >>I know THIS teenage girl has everything Dar's ever done, including Cry Cry >>Cry. I must have missed that part about the girls...I was on a delivery. Aimee >>Mann has a similar audience demographic. When I saw Aimee in Asheville, I >>was the oldest person waiting for her autograph by the bus, (all the rest teen >>or early twenties girls) Rilly? The only Dar Williams fan I know is in her mid-thirties. The Aimee Mann fans I know (and there are lots, but we do live in LA) are at least old enough to remember when 'Til Tuesday was on the radio, but admittedly I don't hang out with that many young 'uns, my daughters aside. I know her profile has risen and fallen, but Aimee seems a little under the radar for the under-twenty set, so that's interesting. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:08:29 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? I believe "Sunny Afternoon" was a smallish hit in the US... Maybe up to #14 or something like that? (I'm stuck at work and my trusty big book of Billboard hits is at home). Still, I never seem to hear it on oldies radio around here... That was their last US top 40 hit until "Lola".... - ----- Forwarded by Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds on 09/13/04 12:02 PM ----- "Rex.Broome" dmedia.com> cc: (bcc: Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds) Sent by: Subject: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? owner-loud-fans@smoe .org 09/13/04 11:38 AM Miles: >>who thinks the greatest run of >>albums ever was the Kinks' 1966-71 >>streak (FACE TO FACE through >>MUSWELL HILLBILLIES) That's certainly up there... I assume 2 brilliant album in a row can't count as a "run", right? That there is, what, seven proper albums plus some odds and sods and a companion compilation that's great in its own right. Ironically, to my mind, the weakest of the bunch features the biggest hit ("Lola"). Here's something: the convenience store near my work where I occasionally stop plays the oldies station, which is pretty standard "hit" fare... but a few weeks back, I actually heard "Sunny Afternoon" while standing at the ATM (or "ATM machine" as the sign sign on their front window window would have it). So... was that a "hit" in the US? I never heard it until I started acquiring proper Kinks albums. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:22:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book At 10:23 PM 9/10/2004 -0500, Michael Wells wrote: >Miles: >> who thinks the greatest run of albums ever was the Kinks' 1966-71streak >(FACE TO FACE through MUSWELL HILLBILLIES) > >That's not a bad choice, but covering roughly the same period my vote would >instead go for the Stones 1965-72 (OUT OF OUR HEADS through EXILE ON MAIN >STREET). For me, it's really just a three-album run: BEGGARS BANQUET, LET IT BLEED, and STICKY FINGERS, with YA-YAS as Monumental Live Supplement. Earlier Stones records can't sustain quality IMO, and at the other end of the run, EXILE has plenty of good moments but is constantly undermined by the very (junk-induced?) sloppiness that others seem to treasure. I think someone who doesn't want to be a Stones completist but wants more than a cursory Jagger-Richards representation in their collection would be well-served by just the three albums I mention and HOT ROCKS or THE SINGLES BOX. >As always, YTFDDGPMV.* Like Rex, it doesn't for me. :-) >The lesson here, as usual, is that older music is better. I thought the lesson was still "you need to listen to more Rush." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:26:59 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book >At 10:23 PM 9/10/2004 -0500, Michael Wells wrote: > >Miles: > >> who thinks the greatest run of albums ever was the Kinks' 1966-71streak > >(FACE TO FACE through MUSWELL HILLBILLIES) > >That's not a bad choice, but covering roughly the same period my vote >would > >instead go for the Stones 1965-72 (OUT OF OUR HEADS through EXILE ON MAIN > >STREET). This sort of thing is debated all the time. It's hard to beat the 1965-1969 albums and non-LP singles by the Beatles (and I would suggest that the non-LP Kinks stuff from the same time period is fantastic too), but do you count LET IT BE, which was recorded before ABBEY ROAD? Do you count METAMORPHOSIS in with that period of Stones albums? There are a zillion answers to the original question, depending on what you like and what you're willing to overlook. How did the Ramones have four ace punk albums by 1978 when nobody else yet had two (or would ever have more than two, for that matter?) Can I vote for the two Bobb Trimble albums (1980 and 1982) as the best run of albums ever? My problem with that run of Kinks albums is that the LOLA album is pretty weak, but I sure am a fan of the rest. What's amazing is how utterly terrible they got after that. Imagine if McCartney's solo albums started with, say PRESS TO PLAY, and you're in the right ballpark. I remember listening to a radio show where the DJ was discussing the "good" Krokus albums vs. the "bad" Krokus albums. "After (whatever) they really lost it!!!" and there are people who can name the very moment that "Who's the Boss" jumped the shark... _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:56:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] seen New Orleans, Oklahoma, Tennessee At 09:38 AM 9/13/2004 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Here's something: the convenience store near my work where I occasionally >stop plays the oldies station, which is pretty standard "hit" fare... but a >few weeks back, I actually heard "Sunny Afternoon" while standing at the ATM >(or "ATM machine" as the sign sign on their front window window would have >it). So... was that a "hit" in the US? I never heard it until I started >acquiring proper Kinks albums. According to the authoritative Kinks site, #14 on Billboard and #11 on both Cash Box and Record World. That being said, it's not even close to being one of the Kinks songs that everybody knows: You Really Got Me All Day and All of the Night Lola Come Dancing I love all those songs, but whenever you're out to make a Kinks Konvert, you usually have to overcome the notion bred by these singles that they're some sort of novelty-song lightweights. Kinks chart positions: http://kinks.it.rit.edu/charts.html I was very surprised to see that "Tired of Waiting" was a #6 Billboard single in the US, and "A Well Respected Man" peaked in at #13 -- I would have thought that they would have peaked at the lower end of the top 40 rather than the upper >Rilly? The only Dar Williams fan I know is in her mid-thirties. The Aimee >Mann fans I know (and there are lots, but we do live in LA) are at least old >enough to remember when 'Til Tuesday was on the radio, but admittedly I >don't hang out with that many young 'uns, my daughters aside. I know her >profile has risen and fallen, but Aimee seems a little under the radar for >the under-twenty set, so that's interesting. I was thinking the same thing as Rex. And Mark, what's incongruous about a guy wearing a Siouxsie t-shirt liking Aimee Mann? Speaking of Siouxsie, I was mildly pissed off Friday night when VH-1 Classic ran a listing of the latest run of "An Evening With Siouxsie" dates, and lo and behold, there was an Atlanta date for Saturday, too late for us to budget time and money to see. I'd signed up for Siouxsie's notification list during the first batch of those shows, but never got any notification of new tour dates. I mean, she'd hardly be the first or thousandth artist whose "official" mail lists turn out to be unreliable, but still... later, Miles, who spent all his dough on Morrissey, Pixies, and Interpol tickets already ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:31:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book At 02:26 PM 9/13/2004 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: >My problem with that run of Kinks albums is that the LOLA album >is pretty weak, but I sure am a fan of the rest. What's amazing >is how utterly terrible they got after that. Imagine if McCartney's >solo albums started with, say PRESS TO PLAY, and you're in >the right ballpark. Of course I have to contest this. I'm certainly not arguing that 1972-present Kinks material put together can equal the amazing first seven years of the Kinks' recording career. But I would certainly make very positive arguments for GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, SCHOOLBOYS IN DISGRACE, most of the songs on LOW BUDGET (better performances of many of 'em on ONE FOR THE ROAD), WORD OF MOUTH, and Ray's RETURN TO WATERLOO soundtrack (which overlaps somewhat with WORD OF MOUTH). In fact, the only ones I'd categorize as "utterly terrible" are SOAP OPERA, THINK VISUAL, and PHOBIA. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:38:44 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picture Book >Of course I have to contest this. I'm certainly not arguing that >1972-present Kinks material put together can equal the amazing first seven >years of the Kinks' recording career. But I would certainly make very >positive arguments for GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, SCHOOLBOYS IN >DISGRACE, most of the songs on LOW BUDGET (better performances of many of >'em on ONE FOR THE ROAD), WORD OF MOUTH, and Ray's RETURN TO WATERLOO >soundtrack (which overlaps somewhat with WORD OF MOUTH). In fact, the only >ones I'd categorize as "utterly terrible" are SOAP OPERA, THINK VISUAL, and >PHOBIA. > I don't mean to imply that everything post-MUSWELL is worthless, just that after that album they're a completely different band, a bafflingly uninspired and unoriginal one. SCHOOLBOYS IN DISGRACE is a total guilty pleasure for me. I can't say I think it's especially good, but I enjoy it. But stuff like LOW BUDGET, SLEEPWALKER, GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, etc... To each their own, and I'm sure they're OK for fans of 70s/80s AOR, but I'll be happy to never hear any of those ever again. What do I know? I'm probably the only person here who loves the album by Moolah... _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:07:04 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >I believe "Sunny Afternoon" was a smallish hit in the US... Maybe up to #14 >or something like that? (I'm stuck at work and my trusty big book of >Billboard hits is at home). Still, I never seem to hear it on oldies radio >around here... That was their last US top 40 hit until "Lola".... > > I hear it quite a lot on the Clear Channel oldies station here (which I mostly hear while shopping- it seems to be a favorite in certain stores I frequent). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:55:06 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still I dream about those black hills Miles Goosens wrote: > You Really Got Me > All Day and All of the Night > Lola > Come Dancing > > I love all those songs, but whenever you're out to make a Kinks > Konvert, you usually have to overcome the notion bred by these singles > that they're some sort of novelty-song lightweights. When I was a younger fan (circa '78-'79), and would tell everyone that would listen that Van Halen's "You Really Got Me" was a (far inferior) cover of a Kinks song, they'd invariably think that the Kinks were some "punk rock" band. > Kinks chart positions: > http://kinks.it.rit.edu/charts.html The fact that "Waterloo Sunset" was never a hit in these United States, even though it was a hit everywhere else, remains a mystery to me. > I was very surprised to see that "Tired of Waiting" was a #6 Billboard > single in the US, and "A Well Respected Man" peaked in at #13 -- I > would have thought that they would have peaked at the lower end of the > top 40 rather than the upper "Tired of Waiting" was one of the first songs I remember hearing on AM radio when I was a kid, and also remember "Sunny Afternoon" from pre-classic AOR radio, but don't remember ever hearing "A Well Respected Man" on the radio. Our Comcast DMX oldies station plays "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" (the B side to "Sunny Afternoon" and one of the five greatest rock songs ever!) in it's regular rotation. I can always crank that one up! - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:04:37 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? Rex: > So... was that a "hit" in the US? I never heard it until I started acquiring proper Kinks albums. Funny, that's one I used to hear ALL the time. A favorite, I suspect, of late-night DJ's at rock stations...and I was out late a lot of nights. "My girlfriend's run off with my car..." > Duly noted. What was Juhlin's role in Poi Dog? (Aside: Juhlin crops up twice on the mix comp Michael just sent to me (review forthcoming) so I was gonna ask this anyhow...) I guess that would be best answered by others wiser than I, never the biggest PdP fan, but it can't be denied that their sound was much different before (unfocused and poorly produced) and after (Frank losing his mind and going electronic) Dag's participation. As a local resident, he signed up after they moved up from Texas...so I guess that puts him on POMEGRANATE, LIQUID WHITE LIGHT, and NATURAL THING among others. I don't think it's a coincidence that IMO those albums seem to sport the best songwriting and that the band enjoyed their greatest local popularity during Dag's tenure. Then again at the All Male Threesome show I got distracted talking to Scott and setting up the taping rig, so I completely spaced on who he was. C'est la vie. Dag's a subtly excellent guitartist, sharp songwriter and suprisingly good singer. Not the matinee idol looks, but he does have a bitterly funny and self-deprecating sense of humor. For more see www.dagjuhlin.com . I'd recommend his first solo disc INTO THE WOODS as well...quite good. Michael "...telling tales of drunkenness and cruelty" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:22:55 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: Moore Brothers in September The Moore Brothers are one of the best bands i've ever seen, and I highly recommend seeing them live. Every record of theirs has been practically ruined by bad production/bad engineering/etc., but they're amazing in person. Thom has a kind of Robert Pollard/Robyn Hitchcock/Lal Waterson thing going on, and Greg has an Aztec Camera/Nick Drake/Belle & Sebastian thing. They're really brothers with that kind of mind blowing harmony singing that only real family can have, and they've been doing this since they were born so it's really something special. They've been the Bay Area's best kept secret for over a decade, so hopefully folks in other places can discover them. The new album might be good, too, since it's all acoustic. love, B > Hi people, > The Moore Brothers are going to be doing a couple of shows in the > Northwest this next week. If you have friends in these areas and > felt inclined to give them the heads up, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > 9/15- Portland, Oregon > Jackpot Records in-store > 6pm > 203 SW 9th Ave. (corner of SW 9th and Burnside) > > 9/15- Portland, Oregon > Porky's Pub > 835 N. Lombard st., 97217 > w/ Minmae > > 9/16- Olympia, Wa > The Mark > > 9/18- Missoula, Montana > Area 5 > all ages > > Our new cd, "Now is the Time for Love", comes out on Tuesday, Sept. > 21. Please come and celebrate this release with us at one of the > following bay area locations (or come to all 3 and you may qualify > for a very special prize. More on that soon.) > > Fri. 9/24- Starry Plough > Berkeley, Ca. > w/ Mike Visser > > Sat. 9/25- Amoeba Records in-store > San Francisco, Ca. > 2 pm > > Sat. 9/25- Official CD Release Party > Hotel Utah > San Francisco, Ca. > w/ Bart Davenport and Rookie Card > > Hope to see you soon, greg and thom > > p.s. German tour dates are on our website now- www.themoorebros.com > and we will send them out soon. > > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:30:23 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] But my heart lies in old... Muswell? On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:04:37 -0500, "Michael Wells" said: > Rex: > > So... was that a "hit" in the US? I never heard it until I started > acquiring proper Kinks albums. > > > Funny, that's one I used to hear ALL the time. A favorite, I suspect, of > late-night DJ's at rock stations...and I was out late a lot of nights. > "My > girlfriend's run off with my car..." Odd you'd say "late night" - because in my experience it was a hit precisely because it could reliably be played on (wait for it) sunny afternoons. > self-deprecating sense of humor. For more see www.dagjuhlin.com Dag Juhlin? He and Gurf Morlix oughta get together to form the Named By Aliens Who Haven't Quite Got the English Language Phonemic System Down Yet band. - --Ford Prefect - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:28:19 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] seen New Orleans, Oklahoma, Tennessee In a message dated 9/13/04 3:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > And Mark, what's incongruous about a guy wearing a Siouxsie t-shirt liking > Aimee Mann? > > I've been thinking about it and nothing really, I suppose. If you're around my age and like girl rockers, it makes more sense, when you broaden the categories. I have several Siouxie albums myself (my favorite is KALEIDOSCOPE). It would only make sense that a guy who cut his teeth on rock and pop in the eighties that likes female fronted acts would wear a Siouxie shirt to an Aimee show (I wore my homemade Game Theory shirt :O) ). I was thinking more of it like the West Coast literate pop of Mann vs. the British goth/punk/pop of Siouxie is like comparing Blair to Jo on FACTS OF LIFE. Well, sort of. Nevermind. - --Mark S., who discovered today that "redneck girl" country singer Gretchen Wilson is from Greenville, SC (actually Traveler's Rest, a little town in Greenville County, about twenty minutes away...HELL YEAH!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:03:46 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still I dream about those black hills Steve Holtebeck wrote: >but don't remember ever hearing "A Well Respected >Man" on the radio. > > I remember hearing it quite a lot, as well as a host of other non-hit Kinks songs, mostly on FM radio in the 70's. Then with the garage revival thing in the 80's, college stations played a fair amount of Kinks non-hits. "Waterloo Sunset" got a lot of play on both, as I recall, but I don't hear it on the oldies station here. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #252 *******************************