From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #246 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 8 2004 Volume 04 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] pull you close and share my groove [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] 1985...oh boy! [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] 1985 redux [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] attn: a trophy Bradley in particular ["Bradley Skaught" <] [loud-fans] Finn Again ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] 1985 redux [Jenny Grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:42:00 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pull you close and share my groove Fortissimo wrote: >>And thank God he didn't, cuz he doesn't have the looks for it. >> >> > >Never stopped all those metal dudes... > > No, but a lot of them should have been stopped. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:53:23 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: [loud-fans] 1985 redux (sigh) such a year, and for music especially. I had grown up with classical music, some old Stones records, then prog and metal. As '85 turned I was still listening to Judas Priest, Yes, and Mozart...but recall being entralled by the Eurythmics, INXS, and some new band from Athens (a bit isolated, must have been!). From '84 was still playing the crap out of Metallica's "Ride the Lightning," Roger Hodgson's "In the Eye of the Storm" and "The Unforgettable Fire," probably in an attempt to fend off the boisterous enthusiasm of the Springsteen / Bryan Adams / Madonna omnishadow. The Bears began their Super Bowl year. If you lived in Chicago, the importance of this could not be overstated. Doing the first year at juco, before taking time off and transferring to the big school. Wheras money had previously been ultra-tight, was now working and that meant a bit of cash for records, concerts...and every spare cent not previously invested went to weed. Tons of weed. Piles. Was stoned from 1985 right on through about 1990. Rush "Power Windows," Smiths "Meat is Murder," and Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" all came out. I remember getting the Dire Straits but wondering what the hell was happening with Sting. I guess I'm still wondering. Feeling glad Heart was 'back,' if only briefly, pretty pissed off at REO confirming just how badly they'd jumped the shark and maybe just a touch turned on by that Madonna chick. WXRT was still listenable back then. You could hear Talking Heads, UFO and REM back-to-back. Saw Heart at the now-defunct Poplar Creek, and Triumph (w/ Mountain). Caught the Dead's '20th anniversary tour' at Alpine Valley. What was left of The Power Station toured with OMD in the worst concert of my paying life...while conversely Blue Oyster Cult played a small venue in one of the best gigs I've ever seen, just straight take-your-head-off rock 'n roll. 1985 marked my first Stevie Ray Vaughan concert, playing Loeb Playhouse at Purdue. I got to see B.B. King in front of 150 people and Jimmy Page with The Firm in front of about 15,000. Saw Iron Maiden for the second time in two years, the refitted and smoking loud Deep Purple (twice!), Santana and, in a late season promotional gambit, Cheap Trick in the pouring rain for the price of buying two sale pair of jeans at The Gap. Looking back over my ticket stubs (I didn't do that from memory, trust me), the average ducat was $9 - $17 general admission for major acts. Ye Gods. Michael "don't get me started on 1986" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1985...oh boy! - --- Roger Winston wrote: > And Mark, I watched an episode of Square Pegs on > HDNet last night, and you > know what? It totally sucked. I did not laugh > once. Some things from the > 80s are better left in the 80s. The HD picture > quality was nice though. Mmmmmmmm...HD....(is it really that great?) Gil _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:11:13 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1985 redux Music wise, 1985 was a split year for me. On one hand, REM, let's Active, GT, Marti Jones, Don Dixon, Bangles, Husker Du, 3 O' Clock, Redd Kross. On the other Vin Scelsia's Idoits Delight, he played lots of folk music. Early Suzanne Vega, Shawn Colven, Rochies, Lucy Kaplansky, John Gorkia, David Massengil, and so on. Radio wise, I tried WPRB (Princeton where I lived at the time) and while I liked them, they basically told me to fuck off when I requested Here It Is Tomorrow, too pop for them. WHTG in Eatontown NJ was a lot better, played all the bands mentioned, much more, and a lot more fun to listen to than PRB. Also Philly's WXPN, AAA, but with a wide range musically, where i could also indulge my folk leanings. Concerts, Eurythmics at the Mann Music Center in Philly, where Anne Lennox nearly caused a riot when she kept telling people to get to the front. I ran to the front, as did many others, the security goons pushed us back. Got to see Here Comes The Rain Again up very close, Anne had loads of makeup on, not too attractive in it. Lennox keeps urging us to the front, but after asked us to stop soon after when things began to get out of control. Roches at Alexander hall, Princeton U, got in for free and sat way stage right, beign an usher for McCarter Theater will get you those perks. Great concerts both of them. Too many others to remember. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:16:32 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: a trophy Bradley in particular > So - what think you of the most recent John Cale, > Hobo Sapiens? I bought it on import last year and while I would say that I like it, it never really sunk in. Lots of neat ideas and cool lyrics, but it absolutely screams "I just got pro-tools", so it's a bit much at times. I'm going to go back to it soon and check it out again. The Five Tracks ep is great and has "Wilderness Approaching" on it, which is a really stunning song, so I hope those are bonus tracks. Cale seems to have lost faith in his voice, too, which is frustrating. I think as singers age they often lose confidence as they lose some of their flexibility and range. Bowie rediscovered how to use voice on Heathen, but I think he lost a lot of his vocal tools and, thus, didn't really sell it much for awhile there (I love Outside, but imagine that album with like kind of vocal performances he's turning in these days and it'd be even more stunning.) I feel like Cale, is in a similar position. That said, I really liked Walking On Locusts. Every time I go back to it I find it holds up. The trick is to start with track 8--it's ordered with the weakest tracks up front and it's hard to get into that way. It features one of the best songs in the Cale catalog (or anyone's), "Gatorville & Points East". Brilliant from top to bottom, that song. "Entre Nous" is another genius piece of writing, even if the performance isn't quite razor sharp. I highly recommend going back to that album (it should run you, oh, a couple bucks used at most record stores!) I'll check in again on Hobosapiens after i've gone back to it. Really, though, I don't think he's made an album that wasn't worth at least checking out. B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:44:58 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Finn Again Recently, a friend asked me "I heard a song by the Finn Brothers the other day, what have they been up to since Crowded House"?* Instead of just telling him, I made him a mix CD with tracks from their various solo and collaborative projects. I knew how much I liked the stuff, but it was surprising even to me just how strong the past fifteen years have been for them! Both of Tim's solo albums from that time, Say It Is So and Feeding The Gods are fantastic--really worth looking into--and Neil's stuff is always great. I actually gave him a second disc with the entirety of One All on it, since that really is one of the great modern pop records (if i'm in super nerd mode i'll say that, actually, import version One Nil is the masterpiece, but whatever.) The best tracks from the first Finn album are brilliant, and there are five or six great tracks on the new one as well. I threw a track from Neil's live album on and a great live-on-the-radio version of "Six Months In A Leaky Boat." It ended up being a wildly successful and impressive collection--especially from two guys now in their third decade of making pop music! A nice way to recognize what extraordinary work they've been doing since '91. B *Just another reminder of how even people who like music, and know what they like, aren't glued to the internet finding out about their favorite artist's latest adventures. I used to play Days For Days and Attractive Nuisance in the record I work at all the time, and there were always folks saying "Is this Scott Miller? I always wondered what happened to him after Game Theory!" It shows just how hard it can be to reach people at a certain level and why so much money is spending on promotion and the like. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 02:48:15 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 1985 redux AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >Radio wise, I tried WPRB (Princeton where I lived at the time) and while I >liked them, they basically told me to fuck off when I requested Here It Is >Tomorrow, too pop for them. > > What?? Methinks you got ahold of a cantankerous DJ, because it was not too pop for them. I'm sure I heard it played on there, and the Three O'Clock and any number of other pretty underground pop things, Paisley, Power, and otherwise, including lots of Scott. Hell, they used to play "Walking on Sunshine" a ton, and do comparison contrasts between Katrina and the Bangles' versions. Not all the DJ's were predisposed to play as much of that stuff, but I think most were. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #246 *******************************