From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #238 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 1 2004 Volume 04 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip ["Vallor" ] [loud-fans] Goodbye to TWAS [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to TWAS [zoom@muppetlabs.com] Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to 1985 [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to 1985 [Jack Lippold ] [loud-fans] tuesday ["Bradley Skaught" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:23:38 -0700 From: "Vallor" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:57:34 EDT > From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com > Subject: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip > > Is this documentary any good? I saw it for rent today, but since money was > tight I decided to get Margaret Cho's REVOLUTION, thinking that would be a safe > bet for my tastes. Is the focus primarily on Rodney Bingenheimer, or does it > do equal time with the musicians? It's good, and tremendously depressing. Rodney is a pretty sad character once you start digging, and the film digs. Chris Carter from Dramarama was instrumental in making the doc. Also depressing, the new Ramones documentary which Shannon & I saw tonight. From personally crossing paths with them, I knew Johnny was an ass and Joey was a good guy...I just didn't know what a massive tool Johnny was and yet I understand that The Ramones couldn't have succeeded without his prickishness. I've also been reading a book called From The Velvets To The Voidoids, which is sort of an oral history of American punk from 1964-65 til 1978-79. Strangely, in the Ramones film it mentions the bands first show opening for a major act was playing with Johnny Winter in '75. Coincidently, or perhaps not, the Velvets To The Voidoids book cites Johnny & Edgar Winter as instrumental in encouraging Patti Smith to start making music. Go figure. - - Dan V ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:04:31 EDT From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Goodbye to TWAS I thought it appropriate to post Tris McCall's goodbye to The War Against Silence here. I'm pretty sure I told Tris about it after Sue Trowbridge recommended it here. http://www.trismccall.net/jersey_city_journal_aug.htm#jclgo Go to August 26... Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to TWAS > I thought it appropriate to post Tris McCall's goodbye to The War Against > Silence here. I'm pretty sure I told Tris about it after Sue Trowbridge > recommended it here. > > http://www.trismccall.net/jersey_city_journal_aug.htm#jclgo Affectionate and a more than a touch feisty, ole! Though it's a *little* annoying how he can't figure out how to spell the name of his #2 Internet Role Model correctly... Relieved that I finally heard the Song Of The Year 2004. And I'm talking, of course, about Bowling For Soup's "1985." Unless maybe it's R.E.M.'s "Leaving New York"... Andy "...and that's what a lot of you may be planning on right now..." - --approximate words of John In The Morning, KEXP-FM, Seattle, introducing "Leaving New York" a few days ago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:14:21 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to 1985 In a message dated 8/31/04 3:59:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zoom@muppetlabs.com writes: > And I'm talking, of course, about Bowling For Soup's "1985." > > I've never heard Bowling For Soup or 1985 (but I found the lyrics online and read them) but I thought it would be interesting and hopefully fun for Loudfans to recall what they were doing/listening to that year? Please don't leave me stranded on this one! me: Still one year away from discovering Game Theory (dammit). Listened to music on a silver (then everything went black...now back to silver) Panasonic stereo with the radio and tape player built in...you pushed a button next to the "stop" one and it popped out sort of like a DVD player, but without electrical help. It contained the absolute biggest piece of shite record player in the world, complete with red plastic cartridge containing sapphire needle...upgraded to Realistic component speakers from Radio Shack and a diamond needle that year with Christmas money...two years away from a CD player (LOLITA NATION was, I think, the third CD I ever bought). Saw THE BREAKFAST CLUB with my German exchange student girlfriend in the theater the spring before h.s. graduation. Graduated from high school (Go Wade Hampton Marching Generals...yay.). Thanks for not preparing me properly for college in math or science! Listened to PSYCHOCANDY import (cost 20 bucks on vinyl!), FABLES OF THE RECONSTRUCTION, DREAM OF THE BLUE TURTLES (which skipped horribly on said record player) LOW LIFE, THE HEAD ON THE DOOR and still bought 45s...got tapes from my older brother who had a CD player, like LITTLE CREATURES and the Jam's COMPACT SNAP Went to College of Charleston that fall, had a dorm room (a converted motor hotel downtown by the campus) BELOW sea level (not kidding...records and stereo and all possessions ended up on my bed once after a storm)...roommate had a Kathy Smith poster, which was it for his decor, except for bamboo rug which began to REEK after said storm Got very upset when Ricky Wilson died...blew off classes, and went to the beach to walk around. Hope this didn't bore you, but I'd love to know what you guys were up to/listening to, in 1985. Anyone in a band then? - --Mark S. p.s. I made all this up. I was driving around in my primered Camaro and listening to Dokken and playing with my rattail while chainsmoking Marlboro reds ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:34:09 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? NO! the politics of music! Tom Waits sings for the Kerry, Michael W. Smith sings for Bush. so does Kid Rock. (scratches head) although the idea of Michael W. Smith doing anything with Kid Rock is somewhat amusing... Kerry's got Al Jourgenson, too. ## Jourgenson -- who engaged in a public relations war of words with Urban Outfitters over their controversial "Voting is for Old People" T-shirt -- will team up with an anti-Bush political organization, Punk Voter, to register 100,000 new voters with a bit of a personal touch on Ministry's upcoming tour. "I'll be at the Punk Voter booth before the show to get that [18- to 25-year-old] voter demographic off their ass." ## http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/gop.music/index.html brianna - -- An attitude of permanent indignation signifies great mental poverty. Politics compels its votaries to take that line and you see their minds growing more and more impoverished every day, from one burst of righteous anger to the next. Paul Valery, Tel Quel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:19:49 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? In a message dated 8/31/04 9:36:19 PM, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > Tom Waits sings for the Kerry, Michael W. Smith sings for Bush. so does > Kid > Rock. (scratches head) although the idea of Michael W. Smith doing > anything with Kid Rock is somewhat amusing... > Don't forget that the Dems have Elliott Smith! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:24:35 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:34:09 -0700, "me" said: > NO! the politics of music! > > Tom Waits sings for the Kerry, Michael W. Smith sings for Bush. so does > Kid > Rock. And so does Johnny Ramone. Funny - I'd just read somewhere about someone meeting him and observing that he was a prick... > http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/gop.music/index.html - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:26:00 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:19:49 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > In a message dated 8/31/04 9:36:19 PM, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > Don't forget that the Dems have Elliott Smith! I think he's registered to vote in Chicago. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:49:32 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the politics of dancing? In a message dated 8/31/04 11:29:25 PM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > And so does Johnny Ramone. Funny - I'd just read somewhere about someone > meeting him and observing that he was a prick... > And yet nobody deserved more to be the only Ramone to end up with plenty of money. I can't really give Johnny's politics credit for that, but I can certainly credit Joey's lame and hypocritical Leftist pacifism. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:29:27 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to 1985 I prefer to live in the present rather than relive non-existent glory days, thank you very much. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:44:47 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Goodbye to 1985 Around Christmas of '84, found copies of "Underwater Moonlight" and A. More's "Flying Doesn't Help" which inspired me in '85 to hunt out Hitchcock's solo stuff (much harder to find at the time than it was later) and to buy a copy of Slapp Happy's "Desperate Straights" that I stumbled across. Also got into Captain Sensible's first 2 solo releases (imports). Continued checking out the Julian Cope legacy that I started checking in '84. Found his solo stuff to be much more interesting than the Teardrop records (still do). Remembered getting annoyed at our local morning-shock-radio rock DJ for panning Katrina Leskanich's vocals, yet was totally accepting of Stevie Nicks without batting an earlobe. Quite a pop year for someone who just turned 30. Scott would not be familiar to these ears for at least 2 years. >I've never heard Bowling For Soup or 1985 (but I found the lyrics online and >read them) but I thought it would be interesting and hopefully fun for >Loudfans to recall what they were doing/listening to that year? Please >don't leave me >stranded on this one! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:05:45 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] tuesday The new Trashcan Sinatras album, Weightlifting, came out today and I highly recommend it. Actually, get the limited edition version because the bonus DVD is spectacular--the band performing five of the new songs live for radio broadcast. The album is beautiful. They'll probably never match the genius of I've Seen Everything, but as moody grown-up jangle pop albums go this one is stellar. The new Libertines is outrageously disappointing. The rave reviews are baffling to me. I can only guess that people are so in love with the "they're so messed up they can barely play" thing that don't notice the plummeting quality of the songwriting. The debut was a stunner if you could get past the "couldn't be bothered" rowdiness, but this time around they sound like they really couldn't be bothered. What a shame. Anyone else caught the video for the Cherry Bombs' "It's Hard To Kiss The Lips At Night That Chew Your Ass Out All Day Long"? Too hilarious for words. Rodney Crowell and Vince Gill in drag--unbelievable. Thanks to Steve H for the fine write up of the Scott/ESQ gigs (www.toneandgroove.com) --have you recovered yet? nighty night, B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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