From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #237 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, August 31 2004 Volume 04 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Wire & Wood Revisited (all I got to show for it's... an...) [] [loud-fans] Re: question - Big Shot history [Robert Toren ] [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] web goodies ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] web goodies ["Fortissimo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:08:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Wire & Wood Revisited (all I got to show for it's... an...) dmw: >>how old is the defunct twin, and how exactly did it "eat it?" >>a good amp tech should be able to make your old twin (assuming >>it's pretty old) as reliable as new -- in some ways, more >>reliable, coz it won't have circuit boards. if the twin is a >>good size for the venues you're playing, i'd try to get it fixed >>up right before dropping cash on something new. Chris M: >>I second Doug's motion. I have a '72 Twin and I've had to have it refurbished twice, but I will never replace it. >>I did learn after it collapsed inward on itself that it's probably best not to kick your amp in the face. Anyway, >> both times I had it fixed up, I felt as if it were brand new afterward. Okay, more than you need know about Rex's amp: it is probably a '75 or '76 and came with outlandish heavy-duty JBL speakers. My dad bought it new when his band went from "folk" to "country"; he played rhythm exclusively and never learned any of the tech involved (I think basically his lead player tweaked the settings for him and he never moved them once). They were a hard-gigging band and it suffered much abuse... aside from the constant moving and spilled beer and whatnot, it was subjected to unholy freezing temperatures while sitting overnight in a horse trailer at a ski resort every Fri-Sat for about seven years*, beyond which, when it did break down, Dad took it to the local electrician who fixed his televisions. When I inherited the amp and it sounded a little tweaky, I went with Dad to this guy and realized that it had been being "fixed" entirely incorrectly for its entire lifetime, and I think that's the root of its current problems. Cut to my tenure using the hell out of it. Past whatever may have happened when it was UPS'ed across the country, gig torture was nothing extreme (a few solid years of playing Hollywood clubs one severe tipover on asphalt outside a studio), but the amount of times I've had it rehabbed is out of control, and it has never really gotten up to snuff except for one brief halcyon period. Every single shop that's done it has been reputable, and there have been a *lot* of them. The last repair left it with some low-end mud at first, and within a month or so it seemed that I had to max out the bass and mids and pretty much zero out the treble to get a palatable sound out of my Rickenbacker (in addition to doing some fuzzy math with my master volume vs. the volume for the individual channels-- ISTR that there's something funky about the way that stuff was sequenced on Twins of this vintage). The recent "eating it" that it did was nothing deeper than the power switch getting impacted and rendered unuseable (so I can't turn it on), which is easily repaired, but if I turn it in for repairs I'll have to have those tone issues addressed as well. Basically, I think the old girl has taken enough hits and misrepairs that she's gone all fragile, and can't be relied on not to keep crapping out on a regular basis. I'd never part with her, but I think it's probably time for one more refurb, past which I'll treat her gingerly and reserve her for studio stuff. Bummer of a use for such an ideal gig amp, but it's just not the workhorse it's supposed to be any more. One thing I always wonder is... there seem to be tone problems every time I get it back, so either (A) all of my "reputable" repair guys don't even turn the thing one to check their work before they send it back, or (B) I am way more of a retard than I think, and it actually sounds fine and I just don't hear it right, or can't find the appropriate settings or something. Re: pedals: it is probably Tube Screamer time. I've avoided the Rat because that's my co-guitarist's standby pedal, and while many folks swear by the good ol' DS-1, all I've ever gotten mine to do is make my big expensive amp sound small and cheap. And yeah, by "simple", I mean set it once and superglue the knobs in place. Thanks all... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Re: question - Big Shot history From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com > Thanks Robert, Bradley and Stewart for > answering my question! It's a real thrill to learn > this stuff! i case you don't already know, there a bunch of pictures from the Big Shot era on my Game theory/Loud Family yahoo site_ gametheoryphotos RT ===== http://www.angrylambie.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:06:08 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] web goodies Has anyone here noticed that there are two web exclusive Statuesque tracks at the 125 site? Lord, is this the year of the Esq or what? One of them, "Free Berkshire", is a longtime favorite of mine. Despite having played with them here in California, I don't feel the at all biased in my endless admiration and praise for that band and the new CD. I'm a huge fan and have been for years before volunteering my services. Stephen Manning is one of the finest songwriters in pop, and I really just can't praise the stuff enough--do check it out. Anyone hear the Statuesque KFJC show? A bit rough compared to last year's broadcast, but I though it turned out good. Mitch LeMay's Apartment Life radio show is one of the best things i've heard for indie pop--he's on Monday from 2-6 at www.kfjc.org . For those of us with wimpy connections, it comes in a fine mono signal as well. There are two interesting live tracks up at www.go-betweens.net --both live from their recent shows with a string section. "Off the board" sound is nothing great, but marvelous to hear them live with some of the "icing". I didn't end up organizing the recording of any of the Scott/Statuesque gigs--sorry to all who've asked. It was too complicated to organize on top of all the other priorities. love, B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 8/2/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:57:34 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip Is this documentary any good? I saw it for rent today, but since money was tight I decided to get Margaret Cho's REVOLUTION, thinking that would be a safe bet for my tastes. Is the focus primarily on Rodney Bingenheimer, or does it do equal time with the musicians? She's the one that I want, - --Mark S. np: The Polyphonic Spree TOGETHER WE'RE HEAVY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] web goodies On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Bradley Skaught wrote: > I didn't end up organizing the recording of any of the Scott/Statuesque > gigs--sorry to all who've asked. It was too complicated to organize on top of > all the other priorities. Mega-super-ultra-public thanks to Bradley for putting together the Scott/Esq shows. Getting 4 shows scheduled, let alone in one week, is a pretty impressive feat. Playing in two of the bands on top of that? Well, come on. I mean, really! Kudos to you, sir! Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:02:34 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mayor Of The Sunset Strip In a message dated 8/30/04 9:59:28 PM, LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com writes: > Is the focus primarily on Rodney Bingenheimer, or does it > do equal time with the musicians? > It's a very impressive documentary, with an emphasis on Kim Fowley which sets up Cherie Currie's "Sixth Sense"-style twist halfway through the film. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:13:35 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] web goodies On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:06:08 -0700, "Bradley Skaught" said: > Has anyone here noticed that there are two web exclusive Statuesque > tracks at > the 125 site? And good ones they are, too - I thought they might have replaced two of the more "experimental" (i.e., looped guitar noise) tracks on the CD to good effect. > There are two interesting live tracks up at www.go-betweens.net --both > live > from their recent shows with a string section. "Off the board" sound is > nothing great, but marvelous to hear them live with some of the "icing". I'm listening to them as I type. The review of this gig linked from the GB site - - has one particularly amusing moment, when the writer notes that "at the end of a majestic Cattle and cane ...Grant applauds his drummer Glenn Thompson." Non-musicians may not realize it, but any drummer who can successfully navigate that song's rhythms - it's in, like, 11/4 or something, but the accents shift all over the place, and quite often are different from what the bass and/or guitars are playing - deserves applause. Thanks for the links, Bradley - and though I couldn't be there, thanks for the gigs! - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #237 *******************************