From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #233 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 27 2004 Volume 04 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Space: Above and Beyond (was [loud-fans] list help) [Francis J H Park ] Re: [loud-fans] list help [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] Just wood and wire: amp advice ["Rex.Broome" ] [loud-fans] list helped [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] Martian Rock [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] the delays? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] question [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:04:31 -0400 From: Francis J H Park Subject: Space: Above and Beyond (was [loud-fans] list help) Dan Stillwell wrote: >Roger Winston wrote: > > >>I didn't realize he looked so much like Jim Morrison. (No, not >>that one, this one: >> >> > >The other Jim, of the late, lamented Space Above and Beyond. Now THAT's >a show that should be put on DVD! > > Whoa. I had a hard time trying to convince people of the reason why S:AAB was my favorite show, quite possibly even more so than The Prisoner. S:AAB DVDs...haven't seen them, but someone's still thinking about the show: http://web-worthy.com/saab/merch-video.html I haven't heard that show mentioned in years. It was the centerpiece of my Sunday night viewing when I was living in Texas in 1996. Afterwards, I realized that if it involved Glen Morgan and James Wong, there would be a James Morrison appearance (e.g., Millenium, The One). Alas for S:AAB, Fox never knew how to sell the show and it eventually evolved in an actual show about combat, something which (I suspect) most Americans don't want to watch. If there's one role of his I remember vividly it was in JAG (a.k.a. "The Show of No Ugly Women in the Navy") where he played a Marine major general who was being court-martialed for not "playing fair" as the chief of the Red team (i.e., enemy) in a large wargame. The story itself was taken from a real-life account of a retired Marine lieutenant general who very publicly resigned in protest during the Millenium Challenge 2002 joint exercise because he said the exercise was rigged (not the least after his Red forces had decimated a large portion of the Blue - i.e., US, forces in the exercise). The series finale led to what I call the Space: Above and Beyond method of closing out a TV series - unequivocally kill off one major character, imply a certain death for two others, traumatic blast amputation of a limb for another, and leave the series unresolved with two surviving main characters. Of course, the "AMF" after the producer bylines at the end of the final episode was probably a nice touch too. "This one's for you Winslow." - -- Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- It is much more difficult to discipline the high command than the Red Army man. - A. A. Svechin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:22:54 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] list help Jenny Grover wrote: > > Roger Winston wrote: > > > Y'know, Scott played a show in Sacramento last Saturday night for > > Steve Holtebeck's birthday. I was there, but I was so blinded by the > > flashy young guitarist he was playing with that I don't remember quite > > what happened. Plus, there was alcohol and toque-stealing involved. > > At any rate, I do remember it was pretty cool actually hearing live > > Game Theory and Loud Family songs with two guitars for my second time > > ever (first time being the previous Thursday night). > > The birthday boy himself wrote some lovely reviews of the shows (and > there are even photos to accompany them!) for Tone and Groove > (www.toneandgroove.com), which will be up Sept. 1. I don't want to post the exact same review to loud-fans (exclusivity and all!), but here is the 8/21 setlist from Sacramento. I've Tried Subtlety Still It's Own Reward The Softest Tip Of Her Baby Tongue Hyde Street Virgins Way Too Helpful Don't Respond, She Can Tell Rocks Off Couldn't I Just Tell You Cortex The Killer This Could Be The Day Last Honest Face Doesn't playing three covers out of eleven songs violate the "one in the set, one more in the encore" rule? Probably not, because I was most upset that they didn't get to play "Cinnamon Girl" again. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:17:36 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] list help Dan Stillwell: >The other Jim, of the late, lamented Space Above and Beyond. Now THAT's >a show that should be put on DVD! Shouldn't that be SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND, EXCEPT ON THE WEST COAST? :-) Melissa was always amused by that -- apparently Space doesn't exist in the Pacific. I can still hear Pat Summerall intoning that magic phrase, which can be translated roughly as either "in medias re" or "Fox has totally screwed this show." Dan, I so owe you an e-mail. I'll remedy that today. Things have been crazy since I got back to Nashville. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:51:23 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Just wood and wire: amp advice Okay, so my old Twin Reverb has eaten it again, and I kinda need an amp more than usual at this particular point in my life. So I'm thinking new (read: reliable for at least a few years), and wondered if anyone had any advice or hot tips or whatever... offlist is fine (or not)... I'm currently playing a pair of fairly standard-issue Rickenbackers (one six-string and one 12-string), but I'm prone to switching "main" guitars between the 6-string Ricky and an old Tele Deluxe (which is a dual-humbucker thingy, Fender-style). In the past I've tended to play mostly lead guitar, but in my current band I'm suddenly singing lead and playing a lot more rhythm, although that could change. The band is a 4-piece guitar/guitar/bass/drum thing; the other guitarist is playing single-coil guitars through one of those newfangled "modeling amps". I've been eyeballing the Fender Deluxe reissue (keeping it real with the tubes and whatnot), but I'll entertain anything at this point , as long as it's reliable, relatively simple, and sounds good. Also in the market for a trusty overdrive/fuzzbox that I don't have to think about too much. My ideal distortion sound is in that warm Crazy Horse realm (admittedly not a great match for the Rickenbackers, but that's what I like) although the Bob Mould wall-of-noise option has certain applications in my tunes. Thanks, kids... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:10:16 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] question Reading about Lance Loud today on a PBS website made me decide to read some more in THE ANDY WARHOL DIARIES, and, in the introduction by Pat Hackett, Hackett describes how Warhol made his portraits: Andy's procedure for making a portrait was elaborate. It began with the subject posing while he took approximately sixty Polaroid photos. (He used Polaroid's Big Shot camera exclusively, and after that model was discontinued he made a special arrangement with the company to buy all the unused stock they had.) I always took the title to my favorite album as meaning "Here is the chronicle of what happened at this place called Big Shot." Is the title also a reference to the Polaroid Big Shot, a nod to Warhol in some way by Scott? Robert's pictures are on the cover, and some are Warholian. I always assumed Big Shot was like some sort of club or record store where GT practiced sometimes in the off hours. Is there a double meaning going on here? Like, this is the musical Polaroid Big Shot photograph of what took place here? It is a rather obscure reference, considering the Polaroid Big Shot went out of production the same year as The Loud Family appeared on ETV, about 13 years prior to the album's release. I loved the Minute Maker myself, but damn the film was expensive when you were 11 and lived on an allowance, - --Mark S. np: THE WAY OF THE VASELINES - A COMPLETE HISTORY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:50:45 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] question At 03:10 PM 8/26/2004 EDT, LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com wrote: >I always took the title to my favorite album as meaning "Here is the >chronicle of what happened at this place called Big Shot." Is the title also a >reference to the Polaroid Big Shot, a nod to Warhol in some way by Scott? Robert's >pictures are on the cover, and some are Warholian. I always assumed Big Shot >was like some sort of club or record store where GT practiced sometimes in the >off hours. Is there a double meaning going on here? There's a couple. It's a pun off of THE WAPSHOT CHRONICLES by John Cheever, and I recall either Robert or Gil saying way back when that Big Shot was the name of a photo processing lab in Berkeley that Mr. Toren worked at, and which the band used as a rehearsal space. That's also presumably where the huge photos on the album cover came from -- I assume Big Shot was one of those printing places that specialized in poster and billboard size prints for commercial use. Which means that it probably had nothing to do with Polaroid, or Warhol. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] list helped Heavens! 3 Scott shows in 4 nights. Sorta reminded me of the OLD DAYS, when I'd drag my scraggly ass out and actually catch a band every now and then. Of the 3 shows, I liked the more rockin' one in Sacramento. Felt and sounded more like a rock club, instead of a really crowded living room. Plus, I'd kind of blown out the need to get too drunk, which I did at the Hemlock Tavern 2 nights before. (gin and tonics are SO refreshing, though...) Sometimes I can get a wee bit emotional when I catch a Scott performance that I'm not involved in. I was prepared, but I kept it together just fine. It was a real treat to witness the shows starting off with I've Tried Subtlety. Pretty appropriate for the Sac. show. The GT songs really can take me to very nice place, that even though that place may or may not reflect reality, I do enjoy the feeling. Reminds me of college campuses in autumn. It really does! The band was awesome. Kenny and Joe back together again, and sounding great. They clicked wonderfully on The Softest Tip Of Her Baby Tongue. That ain't an easy song to play, and it sounded powerful. Scott was in fine voice, if you ask me. The fucker can STILL hit the high notes with ease. I bet he made neighborhood dogs in a 5 block radius howl at the moon! (Oh yeah, hats off to Karen for pulling off some fine harmony work, stuck in the wings w/o any monitors!) This leads into what I think was the killer song of the evening: Way Too Helpful. Maybe my very favorite Scott song anyway, but this version was outright beautiful, and huge. I was wondering how this one (and others) would sound without keyboards (actually, the only song I really missed the keyboards on was Throwing The Election, which is probably a good thing...the potential of me losing it would have increased ten-fold!). Well, Way Too Helpful sounded great with 2 guitars, featuring a wonderfully gorgeous guitar arrangement that took my breath away! Haunting, but a perfect fit, played beautifully by Bradley. Speaking of Bradley.....His guitar parts were spot on. The songs are tough enough with months of rehearsal. He got 'em down in hours. He stole the show. Really. I'm thinking that this line up should just keep going. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Martian Rock Thanks to Stacey, I now have a new very favorite band. They sorta sound like Captain Beyond meets the Spiders From Mars. But more. They look like martians, and they always stayed in character. They rock. Zolar X ! http://www.geocities.com/zolarx1/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:21:09 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] the delays? What can anyone tell me about The Delays and their debut album "Faded Seaside Glamour"? All I've heard is a couple of short clips on their website for "Nearer Than Heaven" and "Hey Girl" ("Long Time Coming" seems not to be working). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:51:34 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] question In a message dated 8/26/04 4:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flamingo@theworld.com writes: > There's a couple. It's a pun off of THE WAPSHOT CHRONICLES by John Cheever, > and I recall either Robert or Gil saying way back when that Big Shot was > the name of a photo processing lab in Berkeley that Mr. Toren worked at, > and which the band used as a rehearsal space. That's also presumably where > the huge photos on the album cover came from -- I assume Big Shot was one > of those printing places that specialized in poster and billboard size > prints for commercial use. Which means that it probably had nothing to do > with Polaroid, or Warhol. > > S Thanks very much, Stewart! - --Mark S. np: The Sunshine Fix GREEN IMAGINATION (really enjoying this) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #233 *******************************