From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #204 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 27 2004 Volume 04 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] mystery to be solved [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet [Dennis Sacks ] [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V4 #202 ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet [Jenny Grover ] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Chris Murtland" ] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet [Jenny Grover ] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Chris Murtland" ] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya [outdoorminer@mindspring.com] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet ["Chris Murtland" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:29:39 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mystery to be solved Russ Lewis wrote: >Can anyone solve this one for me? This is one of those mysteries I've lost >sleep over for 30 years. > >Fill in the blank. What is Bryan Ferry singing in "Editions of You"? >Something pretentious, no doubt, but what? "I hope something special will >step into my life / Another fine edition of you / A XXXXXX done in shades >of blue." > Always thought it was "a pin-up done in shades of blue," and that the song was about porn, not high art. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:07:47 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mystery to be solved In a message dated 7/26/04 3:44:38 AM, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: > Always thought it was "a pin-up done in shades of blue," and that the > song was about porn, not high art. > > Not to brag, but I've got a bootleg of Men Without Hats doing the song, and > we all trust and love the careful enunciation of Ivan Doroshuk. "A pin-up > done in shades of blue" sounds right. And I always thought the song was about > waiting for the next brilliant mistake to come along. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:02:32 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] I Never Played a Drinking Game Aaron Milenski: >>This is the drinking game that pretty much turns all friends >>against each other and casues lifelong grudges. >>The first person says something like "I never bought a Loud >>Family album" and everyone who has done so has to drink. >>Then someone says "I never had sex on a train" and everyone >>drinks to try to impress each other. >>Then someone says "I never had sex with anyone in this room" >>and everyone gets really embarrassed. >>Then someone says "I never had sex with (points to someone >>in the room) his girlfriend" and then looks directly at someone >>else. >>After that it gets really nasty. >>As you might guess, I don't recommend this game. It's for people >>who think truth or dare is too polite. Yeah, it's gotten tiresome. The reason it's never devolved into true acrimony among my friends is that a lot of us have a convoluted history of switching partners that we all know anyway, do it was generally more esoteric and absurdist or borne out of a perverse group desire to wig out the one person playing who doesn't know us that well. It's become pointless now, but there's always someone drunk enough to try to start it. By the same token, Truth or Dare has become almost exclusively dares, not because anyone's nervous about admitting to anything, but because they're nothing left to admit. I love my friends. Sometimes, clearly, more than I should. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:52:06 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Rock and Roll High School Jeffrey: >>Punk rock did never happen for most people I went to high school with... Funny thing... a few years back I played a show with my dad's band, and on the bill was a band formed by kids fresh out of my former high school. They were doing a very accomplished take on the modern-pop-punk / phony Orange County ska thing... and the high school kids LOVED them. They were flat out local heroes. It was just strange... I mean, their touchstones were clearly third or fourth generation "punk" stuff, but to hear it out of context (that is, at what was basically a bluegrass festival), it wasn't radically removed from the Buzzcocks records that I used to be called a fag for listening to when I went to good old KHS. So has punk rock finally happened for white trash? Probably not, but a lot of people seem to think it has. See previous discussions about my conversations with my high-school age "punk rock nephew". They also did kinda Blink-182-ish covers of "Surrender", "Ghostbusters" and, erm, "Country Roads", if that helps. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:44:16 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet On Jul 24, 2004, at 1:46 PM, dennis wrote: > Try rolling a big fatty, getting nice and baked, and *then* listen to > Jimmy Buffet. Even then, I just end up murmuring, "Gee, I wish there were some better music playing so I could enjoy my buzz more." Sorry. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:59:11 -0700 From: Dennis Sacks Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet Dave Walker wrote: > On Jul 24, 2004, at 1:46 PM, dennis wrote: > >> Try rolling a big fatty, getting nice and baked, and *then* listen to >> Jimmy Buffet. > > > Even then, I just end up murmuring, "Gee, I wish there were some > better music > playing so I could enjoy my buzz more." > > Sorry. > > -d.w. ROTFL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:01:56 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya Apologies for the cross-posting, but just in case someone said something of importance to me between the hours of 9 AM and 2 PM CDT today, thought I'd cast my net broadly... Today I checked my e-mail before leaving the house (8:30 AM CDT or thereabouts), and everything was OK. Work was busy this morning and I didn't get a chance to check it again until around 1 PM. My 10 MB Mindspring inbox was completely full, and, in fact, appears to have filled up shortly after 9 AM. It looks like someone forged my e-mail as the "reply-to" address on a massive virus mailing, and I got hit with all the bounces -- well, that, or someone hit me with several hundred copies of a virus that masquerades as a legitimate bounce, or a combination thereof. Anyway, at 40-43K a pop, it didn't take long for them to overwhelm my account. They're still trickling in, as a matter of fact. I don't think my computers were used to send them -- the home PC is behind the router's hardware firewall, there's nothing suspicious in my Webmail "Sent" folder, and Norton Anti-Virus regularly scans all my machines. I'll take another look at everything today to see if something slipped past the defenses. Anyway, if you sent me anything since 9 AM this morning, I haven't seen it. And I'll probably have to re-subscribe to a lot of e-mail lists. Bother. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:02:50 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet My theory is that Jimmy Buffet is good... If you're Jimmy Buffet. mrt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:51:50 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V4 #202 Lurker George: >>I loved Susan's contributions to the Drifters. Her vocals on "Spring >>Day in Ohio" and "Cousin" send chills down my spine. Apparently, she >>has an album coming out this September that features Lucinda WIlliams, Sweet! >>Vicki Peterson Nice... >> and Adam Duritz. Errrrrrmmmm... Well, that aside, this sounds promising. My brother-in-law (recently mentioned cajun fiddler) did some playing with Susie a few years back in New Orleans, and was surprised that I knew who she and the Drifters were. I'm afraid he still thinks of me as somewhat of a young whippersnapper. It came out in the conversation that he didn't really know the dB's, though, so there's that. Bradley: >>One of the worst (and therefore greatest) moments in current pop culture is >>Buffet's "entrance" on the Alan Jackson hit "It's Five O'clock >>Somewhere"--the fake crowd noise is only made worse by the painfully forced >>and almost Dada-like akwardness of Jackson and Buffet's "banter". It's >>stunning. Yeah, it's a real jaw-dropper. The Buffet thing is a real mystery for the ages, particularly how he shows up occasionally in otherwise respectable music collections. I'd have to equate it with, say, Christmas music: folks just find Buffet indispensible for their tropical vacations (or evoking memories of them), much as we might not find much reason for listening to Bing Crosby outside of the month of December. I'm reaching here. It just seems that Buffet (who feel I must mention again is the King of Indie Music) is absorbed differently than other music because he really really figured out how to "brand" himself as a "lifestyle". That lifestyle: being both mellow and yet an asshole. Which doesn't sound either as relaxing or appealing to me as to most, but hey, 50,000 Fall fans can't be wrong. Sorry... I meant Parrotheads, not Fall fans, although the ideal of Mark E. Smith "branding" his "lifestyle" like Buffet is... interesting... Hey, it all comes back to that show I did with my dad, on which bill was also an acoustic duo who did, like, Matchbox 20, Garth Brooks, and, yep, - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:46:27 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:02:50 -0400, "Chris Murtland" said: > My theory is that Jimmy Buffet is good... If you're Jimmy Buffet. My theory is that if we want anyone who actually likes the guy's music to know how lame we think it is, we should spell his name right - with two t's - lest someone think we're talking about a buffet of, uh, jimmies. Just, you know, putting blame where blame is due. Also: are there actually youngish people who like Buffett? I'd always assumed it was a species of midlife crisis - less expensive than buying a bright red Corvette convertible, but far more noxious to others. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:45:15 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet Chris Murtland wrote: >My theory is that Jimmy Buffet is good... If you're Jimmy Buffet. > > > How do you know he doesn't put on his own albums and go, "God! That's really awful. (I can't believe I get paid for this)." Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:13:17 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > My theory is that if we want anyone who actually likes the > guy's music to know how lame we think it is, we should spell > his name right - with two t's - lest someone think we're > talking about a buffet of, uh, jimmies. Nah. That would be a form of respect. Plus, I have no intention of communicating anything to anyone. What's the point of that? > Also: are there actually youngish people who like Buffett? > I'd always assumed it was a species of midlife crisis - less > expensive than buying a bright red Corvette convertible, but > far more noxious to others. Dunno. Don't know any youngish people. I steer clear of them. Well, I steer clear of just about everyone, but especially those damn teenagers with their blasted bad taste and general uselessness. All I know is that where I now live (where there isn't even a movie theater, by the way, so count your blessings LikeDylanInTheMovies) there is about a 90% chance that you will hear Buffette if you visit one of the two watering holes in town (there is a 110% chance that you will hear Skynyrd). I've learned to pretend that I AM Jimmy when I'm out on the town. That way, I feel good about the extent of my drunken reach and can bask in the admiring drool of my fellow losers. Mrrrt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:28:36 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:13:17 -0400, "Chris Murtland" said: > > My theory is that if we want anyone who actually likes the > > guy's music to know how lame we think it is, we should spell > > his name right - with two t's - lest someone think we're > > talking about a buffet of, uh, jimmies. > > Nah. That would be a form of respect. Plus, I have no intention of > communicating anything to anyone. What's the point of that? Eglin tinewarder fitzbomb turnabout randle - duh! > > Also: are there actually youngish people who like Buffett? > > I'd always assumed it was a species of midlife crisis - less > > expensive than buying a bright red Corvette convertible, but > > far more noxious to others. > > Dunno. Don't know any youngish people. I steer clear of them. Well, I > steer > clear of just about everyone, but especially those damn teenagers with > their > blasted bad taste and general uselessness. Plus did I want to see their damned boxer shorts? (Sorry - thought I was Bill Cosby for a sec.) > learned to pretend that I AM Jimmy when I'm out on the town. That way, I > feel good about the extent of my drunken reach and can bask in the > admiring > drool of my fellow losers. You should cultivate that (the being Jeemy Boofit, as the French no doubt worshipfully call him - although the "drunken reach" thing is worth cultivating too, so long as it doesn't result in restraining orders): try to look and dress like him, etc., and mebbe people will buy you drinks etc. The concept of "basking in drool" is an unfortunate one that I will now attempt to forget. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:42:14 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet Chris Murtland wrote: >I've >learned to pretend that I AM Jimmy when I'm out on the town. That way, I >feel good about the extent of my drunken reach and can bask in the admiring >drool of my fellow losers. > > Well, I certainly hope you're wearing Hawaiian shirts when you do all this! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:43:22 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > How do you know he doesn't put on his own albums and go, > "God! That's really awful. (I can't believe I get paid for this)." > > Jen That would make it all okay for me. Really, I am jealous of the guy, which is why I pretend that I am him. He kicks back, does some sailing, drinks a lot, and records songs with a couple of notes each. For this, people love him and give him money. At the end of day, he probably doesn't care if the tunes are "good" to the ears of the hypersensitive, melodramatic would-be critic. Which relates to Rex's tale of the third-generation punk kids who don't even know the roots/context of what they do. Does it matter? If they are the hometown heroes, more power to them. They probably aren't aiming to be remembered in 200 years; as I recall, life after 30 doesn't exist and that may be true enough. It's all fun and games, and well it should be. I will say one thing for Jimmy: he's the one topic that is guaranteed to make me forsake googlanoia* and post blather. Mrrrrrt, parks & rec *Couldn't find via Google; do I get the coin credit? I staked my claim at www.murtworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:53:54 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > The concept of "basking in drool" is an unfortunate one that > I will now attempt to forget. I see your point. However, what if it is the drool of 27 exotic forest nymphettes discovered in the black heart of the rainforest, who live in a state of perpetual wonder (dazed and confused) and who are unconstrained by social transaction rules (and who do not speak English or any other recognizable language)? In other words, the pure drool of nature, uncivilized, visceral, no ready symbols at hand... Kenny noggins "agreement made this day with the undersigned - no one twisting his arm" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: outdoorminer@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya >I don't think my computers were used to send them As you can see from this message, putting a fake return address on an e-mail is almost as easy as doing it on an envelope. I get these all the time, although not in such quantity (yet). Regular spam is bad enough, but someone sending spam while pretending to be me is particularly infuriating. - --Tim W. (not Miles at all) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:18:55 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > >I've > >learned to pretend that I AM Jimmy when I'm out on the town. > Well, I certainly hope you're wearing Hawaiian shirts when > you do all this! > > Jen That's the tough part about impersonating Jimmy. For some reason, only he can pull off those shirts (or put them on, as it were). I've tried it, but around here it puts me into the category of "that boy wants to get his ass kicked." However, I was able to pull off my psycho-karaoke "secret agent man" performance without suffering bodily harm (a stunt unrelated to the Buffett Identity Project), so things are looking up. I'm still fine-tuning the whole scam. Mrttt "we're losers, we know - it's written on our hair and clothes" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 outdoorminer@mindspring.com wrote: > As you can see from this message, putting a fake return address on an > e-mail is almost as easy as doing it on an envelope. I get these all > the time, although not in such quantity (yet). Regular spam is bad > enough, but someone sending spam while pretending to be me is > particularly infuriating. I find mail from "the team at joescafe.com" or "the joescafe.com support group" amusing, since I am the sole owner/employee/maintenance engineer at said domain. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:43:05 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] virus, gonna kill ya Me, then Tim W., disguised as me: >>I don't think my computers were used to send them > >As you can see from this message, putting a fake return address on an e-mail >is almost as easy as doing it on an envelope. Yeah, the forged headers trick is old news. Nevertheless, I'd never been hit with so many of them, and before, most of them came through the address I use to administer the Wire list, or the smoe.org listowner address for that list. So much so that it had me wondering if my antivirus defenses had been cracked, but there's no sign of it so far. I'm guessing that this worm Googled (and Yahoo'd and Altavista'd) the heck out of my e-mail address: http://tinyurl.com/5483s http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=description&virus_k=127033 All it takes is a few hundred people who have mindspring.com addresses in their e-mail, and... kablooey! >Regular spam is bad enough, but someone >sending spam while pretending to be me is particularly infuriating. Amen! I want credit for my own spam, not someone else's. ;-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:59:04 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > Also: are there actually youngish people who like > Buffett? Yeah, like I said the whole New Country crowd has really embarced the man, so there's a whole pickup truck-load of new fans there. Also, he's strangely attractive to what might be called "non hippy" Deadheads. I find that a lot of folks who like jam bands but are otherwise fairly preppy or conservative tend to like him. I knew a lot of guys in college who liked Phish, The Jazz Mandolin Project and Jimmy Buffett. B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:10:48 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] record hunt I'm on the hunt for any recorded matter by 80's band Raymonde. I've got my spies at work looking for it, but it's not turning up. Morrissey has been covering a song of theirs live and it's really fantastic. If anyone has a lead, do let me know. thanks! B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:06:44 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet In a message dated 7/26/2004 8:14:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, treesprite@earthlink.net writes: > Yeah, like I said the whole New Country crowd has really embarced the man, > so there's a whole pickup truck-load of new fans there. > Yeah, and they've embraced Kid Rock as well. Isn't he from Detroit? Oh, but now he's living in Georgia and keepin' it real. Jeffrey says: My theory is that if we want anyone who actually likes the guy's music to know how lame we think it is, we should spell his name right - with two t's - Oh, so it is with two t's, like Carhartt. He could be their new spokesmodel. My mistake. Karmic payback: Last night after a very long work week with overtime I had to go on a delivery that was placed three minutes before we closed. It was out of our delivery area to a trailer park. I got lost, found the park finally, but it was unlit, and I couldn't see any numbers. I called the customer from my cell, and she met me outside to flag me down. She met me wearing a Jimmy BuffetT tee-shirt. She was nice though, and gave me a three dollar tip. Hmmm, threes...three minutes to close, three dollar tip...how 'bout THREE ARMS TO HOLD YOU, the lost Beatles soundtrack to DELIVERANCE? Hypersensitive, melodramatic would-be critics of the world (unite and take over), - --Mark S. (I really DO love the South...just please let me see some good movies and shows without having to pack luggage) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:24:15 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jimmy Buffet > Hypersensitive, melodramatic would-be critics of the world > (unite and take over) Maybe in the next world... Hey, I'm actually a hypersensitive, would-be critic, too, which is why I'm so critical of it and sensitive about it. At the peak of the feedback loop, there is nothing left but white noise. mrt2k ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #204 *******************************