From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #201 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 24 2004 Volume 04 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] article on Ken Stringfellow/Shalini show ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] I never [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Cotton Mather : THE BIG PICTURE ["Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] article on Ken Stringfellow/Shalini show From Durham's Independent Weekly: http://tinylink.com/?fbLRDJvx48 Shalini shining B Y P A R K E P U T E R B A U G H Shalini's Metal Corner is the realization of frontwoman Shalini Chatterjee's goal "to make a straight-ahead rock record without the trappings of irony." The Winston-Salem-based trio--fronted by the statuesque California transplant, who sings, plays guitar and bass, and wrote or co-wrote all but one song--will draw heavily from Metal Corner on Saturday, July 24, at Local 506. They'll be celebrating the re-release of the CD, which suffered a false start in April due to the near-fatal illness of a hired publicist and other snafus. Shalini's union of metallic crunch and metalflake pop, set off by Chatterjee's dew-fresh, unaffected vocals, suggests the Bangles riding atop AC/DC's uncluttered grooves. Not surprisingly, the Bangles were the first group Shalini saw live--the 13-year-old Chatterjee snuck out her bedroom window to catch them at a Sacramento club way back in '83--and she swears she'll take AC/DC's Back in Black and Highway to Hell with her to the grave. Shalini also speaks fondly of Steve and Scummy--her heavy-metal guitar teacher and his cat. And to this day, her not-so-guilty pleasure is Pat Benatar. "I truly loved and still get chills from Pat Benatar recordings, which is much frowned upon by the indie-rock crowd, who I don't listen to anyway," she asserts. Chatterjee's bandmates are guitarist (and husband) Mitch Easter and drummer Eric Marshall. The trio has a dual identity, also serving as a vehicle for Easter's songs as the Fiendish Minstrels, but tonight the spotlight will belong to Shalini. Chapel Hill faves Velvet will open the show, and their bassist, Jane Francis, will join Shalini onstage--now and for the foreseeable future--allowing Chatterjee to move from bass to rhythm guitar. Headliner Ken Stringfellow, a founding member of the Posies, has also been keeping busy with the Minus 5, Big Star and R.E.M. If that weren't enough, this power-pop mainstay has a new solo album, Soft Commands, just out on Yep-Roc. The show starts at 9:30 p.m. Tickets are $7. Call 942-5506 for information. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:02:04 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] article on Ken Stringfellow/Shalini show In a message dated 7/23/04 9:05:42 AM, ltucker@townofchapelhill.org quotes: > "I truly loved and still get > chills from Pat Benatar recordings, which is much frowned upon by the > indie-rock crowd, who I don't listen to anyway," she asserts. > So is she really self-involved enough to believe this, or is it just particularly sad posturing? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:20 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] article on Ken Stringfellow/Shalini show On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:05:17 -0400, "Larry Tucker" said: > From Durham's Independent Weekly: > > http://tinylink.com/?fbLRDJvx48 > > The Winston-Salem-based trio--fronted by the statuesque California transplant Wait - now Shalini's in Stephen Manning's band too? - --Jeff, also statuesque, depending which statue you mean - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:55:25 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:16:51 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > I thought that most of the appeal of "Wayne's World" came from how it > took > place in a land where punk rock never happened...which was an alt-world > we all > desperately needed in 1992. That world would be called "the Midwest" - and it was real. I'll join the chorus of people saying, hey, I knew these folks. Punk rock did never happen for most people I went to high school with... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:24:19 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater In a message dated 7/23/04 10:56:45 AM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > That world would be called "the Midwest" - and it was real. I'll join > the chorus of people saying, hey, I knew these folks. > While I don't buy into a punk/grunge connection, there's no denying that the movement itself did. Are you sure those kids in the Midwest never heard of Nirvana? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:46:33 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:24:19 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > In a message dated 7/23/04 10:56:45 AM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > > > > That world would be called "the Midwest" - and it was real. I'll join > > the chorus of people saying, hey, I knew these folks. > > > While I don't buy into a punk/grunge connection, there's no denying that > the > movement itself did. Are you sure those kids in the Midwest never heard > of > Nirvana? There were plenty of people for whom Nirvana, even Pearl Jam, were "that weird punk shit," yes. (Obviously, it's less that they never heard of punk, literally, than that they wished they hadn't, and their musical tastes reflected that wishing.) Even now, it's amazing to me how many of my students tend to like stuff that's older than they are*. There was a bit at someone's blog a few months back citing a survey a professor had taken of the students in a large lecture the prof was teaching, which asked the students their favorite bands. Something like half of the bands were in their prime 25, 30, even 35 years ago; among the represented acts there were something 15-20 dead musicians...and there were only one or two acts listed (Radiohead's the one I remember) that had any sort of critical standing. Not that anyone's surprised, but what critics like and what kids listen to are at as huge a distance as they've ever been, I think. * The depressing exceptions are (mostly) generic, vaguely granola, post-Dave Matthews crap - and jam bands themselves: Phish most notably. ANd of course, Matthews himself. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:03:34 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater In a message dated 7/23/04 11:47:33 AM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > There were plenty of people for whom Nirvana, even Pearl Jam, were "that > weird punk shit," yes. > Thanks for reminding us about those poor, struggling "critic's favorites." Maybe they'll enjoy commercial acceptance someday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:45:35 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] On sticks, in buckets >>> Sex On A Stick >>You know, I've tried it, and one of the participants always walks away >>with a puncture wound on their back. Okay, me and some friends of mine (one of whom is an ex-girlfriend of mine) have found ourselves involved in increasingly redundant instances of the drinking game "I Never" throughout the years. A standby throwaway line when all the other deep dark secrets had been revealed (which was inevitably rapidly) was, "I've never had sex in a bucket". So a few years back I gave them a mix CD entitled "Sex in a Bucket", so that, even if they threw it away instantly, they could no longer say that they'd *never* had Sex in a Bucket. Actually, they kept it, so they have Sex in a Bucket right now. Every day, and in fact, constantly. Oddly, to bring the stick back into play, I also gave the same couple a mix disc entitled "Skull on a Stick". That's another story altogether. - -Rex (in a Bucket) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:53:15 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On sticks, in buckets Rex.Broome wrote: >Okay, me and some friends of mine (one of whom is an ex-girlfriend of mine) have found ourselves involved in increasingly redundant instances of the drinking game "I Never" throughout the years. > So, what are the rules to this game? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:00:54 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I never >So, what are the rules to this game? This is the drinking game that pretty much turns all friends against each other and casues lifelong grudges. The first person says something like "I never bought a Loud Family album" and everyone who has done so has to drink. Then someone says "I never had sex on a train" and everyone drinks to try to impress each other. Then someone says "I never had sex with anyone in this room" and everyone gets really embarrassed. Then someone says "I never had sex with (points to someone in the room) his girlfriend" and then looks directly at someone else. After that it gets really nasty. As you might guess, I don't recommend this game. It's for people who think truth or dare is too polite. _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:07:27 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater In a message dated 7/22/2004 7:58:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zoom@muppetlabs.com writes: > for example, the enthusiastic paranoia of > that fellow we meet early in SLACKER ("do a little microwave surgery on > 'em, turn'em into ZOMBAYS...") That guy's still around. He's a regular caller on Coast To Coast AM with George Noory. He works at the Chick-fil-A stand at Area 51. He says that most aliens just can't get enough of those waffle fries. - --Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:12:58 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I never At 02:00 PM 7/23/2004 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: >>So, what are the rules to this game? > >This is the drinking game that pretty much turns all friends >against each other and casues lifelong grudges. > >The first person says something like "I never bought a Loud >Family album" and everyone who has done so has to drink. > >Then someone says "I never had sex on a train" and everyone >drinks to try to impress each other. > >Then someone says "I never had sex with anyone in this room" >and everyone gets really embarrassed. > >Then someone says "I never had sex with (points to someone >in the room) his girlfriend" and then looks directly at someone >else. > >After that it gets really nasty. > >As you might guess, I don't recommend this game. It's for people >who think truth or dare is too polite. > >_________________________________________________________________ I think this game is one of those instances where the virtue of truthfulness is trumped by the virtue of decorum. Unless your intent is to hurt your friend by admitting, in front of others, to having screwed his girlfriend, then you lie and leave your drink untouched. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Jean Gray Hargrove Music Library University of California, Berkeley And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _Ecclesiastes; or, The Preacher_ 7:26 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:32:57 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:03:34 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > In a message dated 7/23/04 11:47:33 AM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > > > > There were plenty of people for whom Nirvana, even Pearl Jam, were "that > > weird punk shit," yes. > > > Thanks for reminding us about those poor, struggling "critic's > favorites." > Maybe they'll enjoy commercial acceptance someday. Uh... Apparently you missed the two paragraphs that provided a transition from the phrase you quote, and the paragraph where I was talking about the gap between what critics like and what's popular. They had little to do with one another, except talking about a gap between different groups' views of music. But even if there hadn't been any such paragraph, it doesn't follow that because some people didn't like Nirvana and Pearl Jam, and because what critics like isn't necessarily what people like, therefore Nirvana and Pearl Jam are both critically popular and commercially not so. - --Sir Bedevere Quixote - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:35:01 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I never On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:12:58 -0700, "Matthew Weber" said: > At 02:00 PM 7/23/2004 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: > >>So, what are the rules to this game? > > > >This is the drinking game that pretty much turns all friends > >against each other and casues lifelong grudges. > I think this game is one of those instances where the virtue of > truthfulness is trumped by the virtue of decorum. Unless your intent is > to > hurt your friend by admitting, in front of others, to having screwed his > girlfriend, then you lie and leave your drink untouched. He's no fun - he fell right over. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:39 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater In a message dated 7/23/04 2:37:01 PM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: > Apparently you missed the two paragraphs that provided a transition from > the phrase you quote, and the paragraph where I was talking about the > gap between what critics like and what's popular. > Well, you were certainly trying to change the subject, and your latest posting is even more imaginative. Do you even remember what you were originally trying to rationalize? It's really no big deal if you just got a little confused and briefly thought "Wayne's World" was set in the '70s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:23:30 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] Cotton Mather : THE BIG PICTURE I found this CD at my library, of all places. I don't remember if it's been discussed here? What do people think? It's OK, but a little disappointing and slick if compared to KON-TIKI _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:23:34 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cotton Mather : THE BIG PICTURE On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:23:30 -0400, "Aaron Milenski" said: > I found this CD at my library, of all places. I don't remember > if it's been discussed here? What do people think? It's OK, > but a little disappointing and slick if compared to KON-TIKI That about sums up my take. I think if I hadn't heard _Kon-Tiki_, I'd like it more: it wouldn't suffer by comparison. Then, I really love _Kon-Tiki_ - I think it's one of the few obviously Revolver-era Beatle-influenced records that doesn't come off as a pale impersonation. _The Big Picture_ is a quite good power-pop record with some psych touches...but _Kon-Tiki_ is exceptional, regardless of genre. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #201 *******************************