From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #200 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, July 23 2004 Volume 04 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio ["Joseph M. Mallon" Sorry, but to me DAZED AND CONFUSED is far and away the best thing > Linklater has ever done, with SLACKER taking a distant second at the four star level. > D&C may have been set in 1976, whereas I didn't even start high school > until 1982, but everything about the film -- the clothes, the music, the *look* > of the kids (ex: star athlete skinny and rangy instead of bulked up), the > ennui, Matthew McConaughey's character (dropout, now in early 20s w/porn star > moustache and sports car, hanging out with h.s. kids, trying to pick up some > jailbait), etc., etc. -- caught the look and feel of exactly what that time of > my life was like. > > The film is high quality, Miles. I just didn't enjoy it. Nothing to do with Linklater's skills. If anything, it's because the film IS so good in its portrayal of time and place and time of life, that it made me have some uncomfortable associations and recollections. If anything, that means the man did an excellent job making the film. High school is a time I'd rather forget. I loved the music in the high school days though. B-52's, Go-Go's, Devo, Psychedelic Furs, English Beat, Madness...that stuff was GREAT, and music makes so much more of an impact on you when you're 16 than when you're 36, in my opinion. I feel truly lucky that I came of age in a great time in rock/pop music, and that I had an older friend at a record store who expanded my horizons during that time. This same friend turned me on to Game Theory in 1986, a year after graduating, which was the first "indie" (I know, this isn't technically the right term for GT, but I think you know what I mean) band I ever heard. My first copy of BIG SHOT was played so much, it became almost unlistenable. It is still my favorite album of all time. But, I am straying off Linklater. I liked the scene in GHOST WORLD where Thora Birch and Scarlett Johansson's characters turned around after graduation and shot their high school a bird, with a little thrust. THAT I liked. Up there with Fellini in my book. - --Mark S., no longer buying Madonna Pap smears np: Flin Flon A-OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:36:35 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater At 03:30 PM 7/21/2004 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >The following quote is a Loud-Fans rerun, but since I said >it here nearly six years ago, I don't mind trotting it out again: > >>"Uncannily eerie" sums it up, even for someone like me who was nine in 1976. >> My mom was a high school teacher, so I was always around older kids at that >>time, and about the only thing that had changed by the time I hit high >>school (1982-85) was the discovery of mousse. Maybe West Virginia was just >>being its usual behind-the-times self, I dunno, but I always say about DAZED >>AND CONFUSED that it's the only movie where I don't simply empathize with >>the characters, I can *name* them (i.e., the people I went to school with >>who were exactly like the movie's characters). I probably also said this at that far-off time, but: Dude, try being from small-town Texas with two sisters who were Class of '75 and Class of '77. I can not only name these characters, some of them were members of my family! Funnily enough, tonight's Netflix rental was WAYNE'S WORLD, which I'd been reminded of by watching I Love the 90s on VH1 last week. Seeing it again for the first time in over a decade, I was struck by how, for all the goofy artifice of the movie, a surprising amount of it feels quite specifically real in kind of the same way that DAZED AND CONFUSED does. I mean, the reason everybody remembers the "Bohemian Rhapsody" scene is that if you were in high school after 1975, you probably DID that! Completely agreed on WAKING LIFE, by the way: lovely animation, wake me when you get to an actual story. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:01:34 -0700 From: rlewis@nethere.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: [loud-fans] Internet radio Are there many folks here who listen to internet radio? I'm looking, specifically, for stations that are fairly popular and play pop/indie rock type stuff. Any help would be appreciated! thanks, B When I traveled near Gilroy CA in recent years, I fell in love with a AAA station called KPIG. Dunno if that's quite what you're looking for, but I can't say enough good things about that station. It's AAA the way AAA *ought* to be done. Very entertaining. And yes, 3WK is a rage. Especially their "classic" underground radio. - --R.L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:26:27 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio > When I traveled near Gilroy CA in recent years, I fell in love with a AAA > station called KPIG. Dunno if that's quite what you're looking for, but I > can't say enough good things about that station. It's AAA the way AAA > *ought* to be done. Very entertaining. KPIG is great, but you have to pay $5.95/month to listen to their stream now (thanks to the music industry), so it's not that great an option for internet radio. However, about an hour north of Gilroy, at Foothill College in Los Altos Hills, KFJC (one of the greatest radio stations in the world) is still netcasting for free at http://www.kfjc.org/netcast/index.php Maybe noncommercial stations don't have to pay the music industry cartel? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:29:26 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio Hey folks, thanks for all the internet radio suggestions--lots of cool stuff to check out! love, B PS I don't know what to say about Matt Herges. He's really not a bullpen pitcher. Hell, at this point he's not much of any kind of pitcher. But he's a sweetheart and, really, it'd be a shame to let him go. Everyone on the team loves him. We really need to get rid of Felix Rodriguez, or get Noah Lowry or Foeppert or someone up from the minors. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:19:52 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio Bradley Skaught on 7/22/2004 8:29:26 AM wrote: > PS I don't know what to say about Matt Herges. He's really not a bullpen > pitcher. Hell, at this point he's not much of any kind of pitcher. But he's > a sweetheart and, really, it'd be a shame to let him go. Everyone on the > team loves him. We really need to get rid of Felix Rodriguez, or get Noah > Lowry or Foeppert or someone up from the minors. This is a simulation of my brain reading the above paragraph: "Blah blah blah blah blah hell blah blah blah blah sweetheart blah blah blah blah shame blah blah..." Are all these people in some band or something? If so, you really should've named the band. I'm confused. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Bradley Skaught wrote: > PS I don't know what to say about Matt Herges. He's really not a bullpen > pitcher. Hell, at this point he's not much of any kind of pitcher. But he's > a sweetheart and, really, it'd be a shame to let him go. Everyone on the > team loves him. We really need to get rid of Felix Rodriguez, or get Noah > Lowry or Foeppert or someone up from the minors. I think he's been forced into a closer's role w/o being a really good closer. I don't remember why Foeppert got sent back down. Maybe the Giants need to trade for a closer - get rid of Rodriguez & even Herges to get one. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Internet radio Steve Holtebeck wrote: > KFJC (one of the greatest radio stations in the world) I second that. I also recommend the inscrutable Shirley & Spinoza: http://www.2inches.com/~dcerf/ss/ - -- THE DOUBTFUL PALACE Free exquisite music http://www.doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:41:40 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Can't anyone here spell "Foppert"? :-) At 09:46 AM 7/22/2004 -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Bradley Skaught wrote: >> PS I don't know what to say about Matt Herges. He's really not a bullpen >> pitcher. Hell, at this point he's not much of any kind of pitcher. But he's >> a sweetheart and, really, it'd be a shame to let him go. Everyone on the >> team loves him. We really need to get rid of Felix Rodriguez, or get Noah >> Lowry or Foeppert or someone up from the minors. > >I think he's been forced into a closer's role w/o being a really good >closer. I don't remember why Foeppert got sent back down. Maybe the >Giants need to trade for a closer - get rid of Rodriguez & even Herges to >get one. It's not that Jesse Foppert got "sent back down," it's that Foppert, once considered the best of the Giants' trio of Grade A pitching prospects (the other two: Jerome Williams and the traded-to-Baltimore-in-the-Ponson-deal Kurt Ainsworth), blew out his arm last year and had to have Tommy John surgery, which generally has a 12- to 18-month recovery time. In fact, he was just activated in the minors on Monday, and his best-case scenario is a September callup. (I drafted Foppert in the third round of one of my Strat-O-Matic leagues, but traded him for Carlos Baerga's kick-butt 2003 card in a classic "win now" deal. I expect this deal to bite me big time by 2005; Baerga's awful real-life 2004 is already making me regret it. On the other hand, I have an eight game lead with 54 games to play, Baerga's hitting .320+ for me, and, as they say, flags fly forever.) The Giants' bullpen is pretty dire, to be sure, but you can get relievers anywhere, anytime, for next to nothing. Look, if journeymen/setup guys like Tim Worrell (your closer last year when Nen went down) and Joe Borowski (the '02-'03 model, anyway) can become successful closers, then closing doesn't really have the importance or require the "closer mentality" that the announcers natter on about all the time. What the Giants need far more is a bat to put with Bonds, so I think y'all Giants fans need to be praying for is a trade for a decent hitter. Among players we know are on the market, Steve Finley would be a great pickup. I doubt Sabean would give enough in trade to the Astros for Carlos Beltran -- that is, if the Astros fall further out of the race and are willing to trade him for the second time this year. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:40:33 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater Stewart on DAZED AND CONFUSED: >I probably also said this at that far-off time, but: Dude, try being from >small-town Texas with two sisters who were Class of '75 and Class of '77. >I can not only name these characters, some of them were members of my family! Ha! It's nice to have the film's authenticity confirmed by a perceptive source; it's always good to know that you're not the only one thinking "this is exactly what it was like!" >Funnily enough, tonight's Netflix rental was WAYNE'S WORLD, which I'd been >reminded of by watching I Love the 90s on VH1 last week. Seeing it again >for the first time in over a decade, I was struck by how, for all the goofy >artifice of the movie, a surprising amount of it feels quite specifically >real in kind of the same way that DAZED AND CONFUSED does. I mean, the >reason everybody remembers the "Bohemian Rhapsody" scene is that if you >were in high school after 1975, you probably DID that! Oh yeah! I did sort of think that a lot of the references Myers and Carvey used in the film reflected their own age rather than the age of their characters or their target audience; a lot of the references, "Bohemian Rhapsody" included, are incredibly late '70s in a way that authentic early '90s teens wouldn't have understood. But of course the "Bohemian Rhapsody" scene became so famous that it *did* become part of teen culture c. 1991! I love the first WAYNE'S WORLD film, which is one of a handful of SNL-cast-member big-screen comedies that hits the ball completely out of the park, beating my gloomy expectations by a country mile. WAYNE'S WORLD II was what I feared WAYNE'S WORLD would be, and what almost all the other SNL folks' films have been: 90% of the funny parts were in the trailer, and the other 80 minutes were dumbass padding. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:31:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater Mark S.: > >The film is high quality, Miles. I just didn't enjoy it. Nothing to do with >Linklater's skills. If anything, it's because the film IS so good in its >portrayal of time and place and time of life, that it made me have some >uncomfortable associations and recollections. If anything, that means the >man did an >excellent job making the film. High school is a time I'd rather forget. Gotcha, and I totally see your point, and completely understand. I was wondering if that was the case. >I loved the music in the high school days though. B-52's, Go-Go's, Devo, >Psychedelic Furs, English Beat, Madness...that stuff was GREAT, and music >makes >so much more of an impact on you when you're 16 than when you're 36, in my >opinion. The pangs of adolescence play a role, as does the fact that stuff can still be shiny and new to you, and of course at 16 you're just younger and more able to grasp new things. But I think the *key* factor is time: you don't know it then, but you had oodles and oodles of time to pour over lyrics, play albums over and over, read music magazines, etc. In the adult world, most of us can't be involved with music (or any hobby/interest, for that matter) at that same level of commitment. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater > Sorry, but to me DAZED AND CONFUSED is far and away the best thing > Linklater has ever done, with SLACKER taking a distant second at the four > star level. D&C may have been set in 1976, whereas I didn't even start > high school until 1982, but everything about the film -- the clothes, the > music, the *look* of the kids (ex: star athlete skinny and rangy instead > of bulked up), the ennui, Matthew McConaughey's character (dropout, now in > early 20s w/porn star moustache and sports car, hanging out with h.s. > kids, trying to pick up some jailbait), etc., etc. -- caught the look and > feel of exactly what that time of my life was like. Yes, DAZED AND CONFUSED is one of my all-time Top Five Films, and I've probably seen it at least ten times. I remember my father seeing it before me, at Seattle International Film Festival probably, and remarking that he didn't care for it ("It was dazed. And it was confused."). Of course, he was a high school teacher in 1976... It doesn't line up particularly well with my own high school experience, but I found that all the characters lived, breathed, and made their own kind of sense. > On the other hand, WAKING LIFE is two hours of my life I'll never get > back. I found it tedious and (yeah, that overused critic's cudgel) > pretentious, mixing snail-like pacing and existential ruminations that > would elicit guffaws from a Philosophy 101 class into a concoction that > made DOGMA seem smart by comparison. One critic, or perhaps it was Linklater himself, remarked that you don't have to believe, or take seriously, the philosophical stuff found in most of Linklater's films. He seems like a reasonable enough fellow; I can't imagine him taking seriously, for example, the enthusiastic paranoia of that fellow we meet early in SLACKER ("do a little microwave surgery on 'em, turn'em into ZOMBAYS...") Of course, you do have to ponder why a given character believes as s/he does, and how that relates to the character's concept of self and the world, the outside world, etc. Incidentally, WAKING LIFE's animation director, Bob Sabiston, also worked on the animated segment of Jorgen Leth's THE FIVE OBSTRUCTIONS. Both Leth and his "Obstructor," Lars von Trier, profess to hate animation, which, if true, is disappointing coming from two fellows who've made film their lives. But the Leth/Sabistion collaboration at least came out looking interesting. Good stuff, THE FIVE OBSTRUCTIONS, and some solid insights into the nature of creativity, although the DVD, which will presumably feature Leth's original short and the obstructed versions in their entirety, may be a better bet. BEFORE SUNSET: One of my favorite movies this year, fascinating flow, wit, suppressed emotions, and I'd be lying if I said thinking Julie Delpy Is Sex On A Stick doesn't figure into it. I have had some interesting email exchanges with Dan Sallitt about the film, regarding among other things the reality and feasibility of its romance, and those have helped shape my thoughts. Thanks Dan! What's this EW/Brando thing anyway? (I never look at EW anymore since they cut me off at the plasma bank.) I disagree, though, that you need to see the first film. It doesn't hurt, of course, and certainly the two films make for compare/contrast, but I see nothing difficult about picking up the thread with "Okay, this guy wrote a book, and he doesn't want to admit it, but the book is a true story, and okay, here comes the real heroine..." Still think Julie Delpy Is Sex On A Stick, though. Wonder if that album she cut a year or two back will ever see American release... I have no problem calling Richard Linklater one of the most talented, and almost certainly the most consistently brilliant, American directors working. Looking forward to Miles on the following: SLACKER, BEFORE SUNRISE, SUBURBIA, THE NEWTON BOYS (never saw it, but never found anyone to say a good word about it), TAPE (liked it much better than WAKING LIFE, though I liked WAKING LIFE), and SCHOOL OF ROCK (a big ehhhhh for me, his first distinctly disappointing and depressingly middle-of-the-road work). What else...well, Linklater did shoot a Super 8 feature prior to SLACKER, something called IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO LEARN TO PLOW BY READING BOOKS. But that's never been on video and is probably hard to see. His short, "Live From Shiva's Dance Floor," could be interesting. He's just finished shooting a TV film, $5.15/HR, looking forward to that one. He's on board for A SCANNER DARKLY--I'll try to be optimistic, though no PKD movie has ever come close to BLADE RUNNER, and I don't know if any director can make Keanu Reeves look good. Then he starts on something called THE SMOKER... By the way Mark, you can use the link below to find, if not a theater near you, then at least the theater *nearest* you: http://imdb.com/showtimes/all We've been on the moon since the 50's, Andy 10 BEST & WORST MOVIES OF THE YEAR SO FAR See previous post for details (and again, thanks to the amazing metacritic). The 10 Best (January - June, from the highest down) 1. Battle of Algiers, The (re-release) (2004) 91 Directed by: Gillo Pontecorvo. 2. La Dolce Vita (2004) 85 Directed by: Federico Fellini. 3. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring (2004) 82 Directed by: Ki-duk Kim. 4. Since Otar Left (2004) 82 Directed by: Julie Bertucelli. 5. Since Otar Left (2004) 82 Directed by: Julie Bertucelli. 6. Agronomist, The (2004) 80 Directed by: Jonathan Demme. 7. Kill Bill: Volume 2 (2004) 80 Directed by: Quentin Tarantino. 8. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) 80 Directed by: Alfonso Cuarsn. 9. Spider-Man 2 (2004) 80 Directed by: Sam Raimi. 10. Five Obstructions, The (2004) 9 Directed by: Jxrgen Leth, Lars von Trier. Don't ask me what the deal is with #4 & #5. I just report the news. #11 on the list is: Return, The (2004) 79 Directed by: Andrei Zvyagintsev. The 10 Worst (January - June, from the lowest up) 1. Godsend (2004) 22 Directed by: Nick Hamm. 2. Garfield (2004) 26 Directed by: Peter Hewitt. 3. Day Without a Mexican, A (2004) 26 Directed by: Sergio Arau. 4. 24th Day, The (2004) 27 Directed by: Tony Piccirillo. 5. Carlos Castaneda: Enigma of a Sorceror (2004) 27 Directed by: Ralph Torjan. 6. Johnson Family Vacation (2004) 28 Directed by: Christopher Erskin. 7. Soul Plane (2004) 29 Directed by: Jessy Terrero. 8. New York Minute (2004) 30 Directed by: Dennie Gordon. 9. Punisher, The (2004) 30 Directed by: Jonathan Hensleigh. 10. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed (2004) 31 Directed by: Raja Gosnell. (It's official: movie critics, are much nastier creatures than music critics.) posted by rockcritics daily at 12:01 AM Comment Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10 BEST & WORST ALBUMS OF THE YEAR SO FAR That is, according to the amazing metacritic's semi-scientific ratings system (all scores out of 100, based on published reviews). (There's probably a way to link to these results screens, but I can't figure it out. The URL doesn't appear to be specific to them.) The 10 Best (January - June, from the highest down) 1. Van Lear Rose by Loretta Lynn (2004) 95 Interscope 2. Madvillainy by Madvillain (2004) 91 Stones Throw 3. Boy In Da Corner by Dizzee Rascal (2004) 89 Matador / XL 4. A Grand Don't Come For Free by The Streets (2004) 88 Vice / 679 5. Candi Staton by Candi Staton (2004) 88 Astralwerks 6. Last Exit by Junior Boys (2004) 86 KIN 7. College Dropout by Kanye West (2004) 86 Roc-A-Fella 8. Rejoicing In The Hands by Devendra Banhart (2004) 85 Young God 9. Seven Swans by Sufjan Stevens (2004) 84 Sounds Familyre / Rough Trade 10. Franz Ferdinand by Franz Ferdinand (2004) 84 Domino The 10 Worst (January - June, from the lowest up) 1. Baptism by Lenny Kravitz (2004) 41 Virgin 2. The Battle For Everything by Five For Fighting (2004) 43 Columbia / Aware 3. Marshall's House by John Squire (2004) 45 North Country 4. Winning Days by The Vines (2004) 46 Capitol 5. Tical 0: The Prequel by Method Man (2004) 47 Def Jam 6. Gettin' In Over My Head by Brian Wilson (2004) 47 Rhino 7. Damita Jo by Janet Jackson (2004) 49 Virgin 8. Outta Sight / Outta Mind by The Datsuns (2004) 52 V2 9. Silence Is Easy by Starsailor (2004) 52 EMI 10. ...it falls apart by For Stars (2004) 53 Future Farmer (as posted at http://www.rockcriticsdaily.blogspot.com/ ; ratings provided by www.metacritic.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:26:21 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater > I can not only name these characters, some of them were > members of my family! That's how I feel when I watch "Babe." Many of my family members are farm animals. "Babe: Pig in the City" failed to live up to promise of the original, however. Although the stark dilemmas of modern life were presented with a subdued bleakness devoid of both irony and clichi, I found I was unable to suspend my disbelief. Pigs don't go to the city. XK6 (she dogs uttering vain howlings) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:16:03 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater > Sex On A Stick You know, I've tried it, and one of the participants always walks away with a puncture wound on their back. At best, you need to find a really smooth stick, but why not just opt for splendor in the grass? XK6 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:22:08 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can't anyone here spell "Foppert"? :-) > In fact, he was just activated in the minors on Monday, >and his best-case scenario is a September callup. I guess he's been doing 20-25 pitches a game up in Sacramento, so I can wait. Noah Lowry should be closing once a week, though--I guess he's holding in the minors because we activated someone else first (Christianson, maybe?) > What the Giants need far more is a bat to put with > Bonds The whole team's a mess, but I was focusing on the most dire aspect! With the right batting order, things are usually okay--Alphonso should bat after Bonds. Problem is, you can't play JT Snow every day and he's one of the only guys who can consistantly get something going. Today's batting order was a nightmare: Durham/Cruz/Grissom. That's like slumpfest '04. All those guys can perform, but you can't line them up like that. Jesus, even Schmidt derailed today, though... > I doubt Sabean would give enough in trade to the > Astros for Carlos Beltran Sabean's been playing the "don't get your hopes up/we're not spending any money" card all year. Drives me nuts. The ballpark's paid for, so dip into your millions and get me Ichiro! Might as well dream big. I'm not sure what Herges deal is, but there's a lot of real loyalty to the guy somehow connected with his history as a scab during the strike (a role that locks him out of the union for life.) I'm not sure there's a "closer mentality", but there's certainly "closer stuff" and Herges never really had that kind of vocabulary. double played out, B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:13:57 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater At 05:40 PM 7/22/2004 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Oh yeah! I did sort of think that a lot of the references >Myers and Carvey used in the film reflected their own age >rather than the age of their characters or their target >audience; a lot of the references, "Bohemian Rhapsody" >included, are incredibly late '70s in a way that authentic >early '90s teens wouldn't have understood. Actually, based on my own ever-increasing knowledge of Toronto and its environs (Mike Myers is from Scarborough, the same 'burb as Barenaked Ladies and a couple of friends of mine), seeing it again made me realize how specifically Canadian a lot of the references are! In particular, the doughnut shop they hang out in is "Stan Mikita's," owned by the legendary hockey player Stan Mikita (who has a cameo), a joke about the Canadian doughnut chain started by Tim Horton, who had been a star player for the Leafs in the '60s. There was another thing that hit me as a specifically Toronto-based reference as well, but I don't remember what it was now. On the other hand, I've heard tell that to some extent, it's still the late '70s in Scarborough, so there you go. I don't know if FUBAR is available on DVD yet, but it's a really quite wonderful mockumentary about a pair of Canadian headbangers that's sort of like what WAYNE'S WORLD would have been like if it had been a documentary about the aging burnout Matthew McConaghey played in DAZED AND CONFUSED. (Musical note: the highlight of the soundtrack is the Neko Case-led New Pornographers covering "Your Daddy Don't Know," an extremely Benatar tune from the Canadian pop-metal band Toronto.) S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:16:51 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater I thought that most of the appeal of "Wayne's World" came from how it took place in a land where punk rock never happened...which was an alt-world we all desperately needed in 1992. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:35:21 EDT From: LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater In a message dated 7/22/2004 7:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > But I think the *key* factor is time: you don't know it then, but you had > oodles and oodles of time to pour over lyrics, play albums over and over, > That's it exactly. I remember when I was 18 listening to MEAT IS MURDER thinking that the lyrics to "Well I Wonder" were the best thing since the Muppets took Manhattan. I even heavily borrowed (plagiarism is such an ugly word) from the song's lyrics in a poem to my girlfriend. At 36, it's well, uh, best left to the young. I figured, eh, she'll never know I stole. She was too busy listening to Yes and Rush. But there's always someone, somewhere, with a big nose, who knows. - --Mark S. btw, Joe Pernice was on World Cafe reading from his book based on the MIM album this evening (not sure if it was a repeat). The ending of that book screamed to be another way to me, but I think he's a pretty good writer. Pernice's book is fiction, but more like thinly veiled autobiography. It rang truer to my own high school experiences than the Linklater film. His book was a bit painful to read, but life ain't always shiny happy and Prozac perfect. Maybe I should rent DAZED AND CONFUSED and give the film another go. np: The Minders GOLDEN STREET ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #200 *******************************