From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #199 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, July 22 2004 Volume 04 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Beatles live CD-R [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re: Beatles live CD-R/Cure [LkDylaninthmvies@aol.com] [loud-fans] internet radio ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] internet radio [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] re: Fall Back [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] Destroy All Fall ["Rex.Broome" ] [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Destroy All Fall [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] LoudFan name sighting? [Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] internet radio Are there many folks here who listen to internet radio? I'm looking, specifically, for stations that are fairly popular and play pop/indie rock type stuff. Any help would be appreciated! thanks, B "I can't keep the house clean enough" -Scott Peterson - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] internet radio A friend turned me on to Shoutcast.com. It has a very large selection of channels to choose from, but if you use dialup modem, bandwidth can be a problem. I think. Gil - --- Bradley Skaught wrote: > Are there many folks here who listen to internet > radio? I'm looking, > specifically, for stations that are fairly popular > and play pop/indie rock > type stuff. Any help would be appreciated! > > thanks, > B > > "I can't keep the house clean enough" -Scott > Peterson > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release > Date: 7/5/2004 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:10:51 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] re: Fall Back As for 90's Fall, I've been enjoying Cerebral Caustic the most of all. Chris Talking about moldy oldies...... CD settlement brings libraries a windfall...of duds Associated Press July 21, 2004 CDS072 MILWAUKEE -- Wisconsin libraries have received more than 105,000 CDs as part of a national settlement with the recording industry to settle a price-fixing lawsuit. But as elsewhere, the selections are raising a few eyebrows. The Milwaukee Public Library received 1,235 copies of Whitney Houston's 1991 recording of ``The Star-Spangled Banner,'' 188 copies of Michael Bolton's ``Timeless,'' 375 of ``Entertainment Weekly: The Greatest Hits 1971,'' and 104 copies of Will Smith's ``Willennium,'' and nearly everything in between. The bootie also included 77 copies of a CD by chanting Spanish monks, all part of a $142 million national class-action lawsuit against five major music distributors and three large music retailers. Librarians said while they welcome the free additions to their collections, they're perplexed by the duplicates and obscure titles. ``If we had said, 'Let's sit down and select 11,000 CDs that we want,' it wouldn't have looked like this, but we'll take what we can get,'' said Bruce Gay, Milwaukee Public Library technical services manager. He said unwanted CDs or those libraries have more than 20 copies of will be sold at discount this fall, with profits going toward music they actually want. Attorneys general in 41 states accused music distributors and recording companies of penalizing retailers by withholding advertising reimbursement if the retailers cut prices. The industry agreed to pay $67 million to consumers, and mailed out checks for $13.86 a few months ago. The CD giveaway to schools, colleges and libraries in 50 states will cost an estimated $76 million. To prevent the companies from dumping unwanted inventory, lawyers for the states came up with a formula based on how much time artists spent on the Billboard charts, Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Eric Wilson said. But he conceded, ``it may be hard to believe looking at the selections.'' Katie Nelson, head of the audiovisual section at the Frank L. Weyenberg Library in Mequon, said the consensus there is that the companies ``emptied their vaults.'' Nelson said there was even mold growing on some of the 520 CDs received there, and less than half the shipment will be used. The Racine Public Library got 2,795 CDs, said Mary Lou Nordstrom, the library's head of technical services. ``These are CDs you probably wouldn't purchase on your own,'' she said. ``Maybe someone, somewhere would listen to them.'' The 16 libraries in the Waukesha County Federated Library System will barter for selections they might want, support services supervisor Jane Schall said. Among the offerings? Eighty-one copies of Barry White's last studio album, ``Staying Power.'' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:14:07 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Destroy All Fall Runner up Pamela Patchet Hamilton of Beaconsfield, Quebec wrote: "The notion that they would no longer be a couple dashed Helen's hopes and scrambled her thoughts not unlike the time her sleeve caught the edge of the open egg carton and the contents hit the floor like fragile things hitting cold tiles, more pitiable because they were the expensive organic brown eggs from free-range chickens, and one of them clearly had double yolks entwined in one sac just the way Helen and Richard used to be" This triggered an immediate memory of the South Park episode where Timmy the retarded kid who can only say his own name (Timmmehhh!) becomes a famous rock star, and his parents are interviewed to see if they think their kid is being exploited, and they respond-- "RICHARD!" and "HELEN!" Aaron Mandel: >>I like The Real New Fall LP okay (still haven't heard the US version, >>which I gather is better) but don't think they've made a consistently good >>album since Frenz Experiment. I have a great deal of fondness for I Am Kurious Oranj (since that and Frenz date to my initial period of Fall-mania), although I can see it not being perceived as a "real" (old) Fall LP, being a sort of soundtrack with some reworked material. And I like Extricate more than most, too. >>My favorite 90/00s Fall is all scattered in >>handfuls across the records; one-third of The Marshall Suite was >>brilliant, I thought, but my opinion of the rest hovers around "whatever". I'd agree with that, although I really thought the best thing about "Are You Are Missing Winner" was its title, which is every bit as great as the record itself is shitty. Shame, as that was the record they were touring the only time I've yet seen them live, and they were quite good, so I expected more from the album. What's cool is that, although I certainly don't need it, I did give a glance to the recent 2-disc "Best Of" (yeah, I know there are millions of them) called something like "50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong", and you know what? It looks good! It spans their whole career and has not a wasted or duff track on it*. Sure, hells of stuff gets left off, but I think I would actually recommend this thing as a sampler for the curious. The A-Sides collection from the mid-late '80's ain't bad, either, but that covers a period where practically every album is worth having on its own, so the broader approach does a nice job of covering earlier singles and the stragglers from the recent "meh" stuff. In sum, the past two days' discussions seem approps in that I think that our man Scott can be squarely located between the Hollies and the Fall, although I don't know if you'd find him there on an AMG music map... my browser won't let me check! - -Rex *man, I don't know why it happens, but you start writing about the fall and suddenly you find yourself using adjective like "duff". Hey there, fuck face-uh! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:24:50 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] nickelback-to-back This just cracks me up every time I listen to it. > Gil, maybe you can use this formula way of writing if you're in need of some more hits to fill out your album. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] internet radio http://www.3wk.com It gets Jenny Grover's loud ringing endorsement!!! Phil F. NP. The Hives - TYRANNOSAURUS HIVES - --- Bradley Skaught wrote: > Are there many folks here who listen to internet > radio? I'm looking, > specifically, for stations that are fairly popular > and play pop/indie rock > type stuff. Any help would be appreciated! > > thanks, > B > > "I can't keep the house clean enough" -Scott > Peterson > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release > Date: 7/5/2004 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:30:49 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Save It for Linklater It's been a couple of days since Mark said this, but since the urge to express my differences is still with me, here goes: Sez Mark of Richard Linklater's ouevre: >Still, I've >enjoyed all >of his other films that I've seen, except for DAZED AND CONFUSED. WAKING LIFE >was masterful. Sorry, but to me DAZED AND CONFUSED is far and away the best thing Linklater has ever done, with SLACKER taking a distant second at the four star level. D&C may have been set in 1976, whereas I didn't even start high school until 1982, but everything about the film -- the clothes, the music, the *look* of the kids (ex: star athlete skinny and rangy instead of bulked up), the ennui, Matthew McConaughey's character (dropout, now in early 20s w/porn star moustache and sports car, hanging out with h.s. kids, trying to pick up some jailbait), etc., etc. -- caught the look and feel of exactly what that time of my life was like. The following quote is a Loud-Fans rerun, but since I said it here nearly six years ago, I don't mind trotting it out again: >"Uncannily eerie" sums it up, even for someone like me who was nine in 1976. > My mom was a high school teacher, so I was always around older kids at that >time, and about the only thing that had changed by the time I hit high >school (1982-85) was the discovery of mousse. Maybe West Virginia was just >being its usual behind-the-times self, I dunno, but I always say about DAZED >AND CONFUSED that it's the only movie where I don't simply empathize with >the characters, I can *name* them (i.e., the people I went to school with >who were exactly like the movie's characters). On the other hand, WAKING LIFE is two hours of my life I'll never get back. I found it tedious and (yeah, that overused critic's cudgel) pretentious, mixing snail-like pacing and existential ruminations that would elicit guffaws from a Philosophy 101 class into a concoction that made DOGMA seem smart by comparison. I was also very disappointed to see that Wiley Wiggins, so winning as the wee freshman in D&C, had grown up to be Ed from NORTHERN EXPOSURE, but I know I also said that here back in February of The Year Four (as they say things in the Aubrey/Maturin books) rather than six years ago, so I'll shut up fer now. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:10:57 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] LoudFan name sighting? Hey Dan Sallitt, are you *the* Dan Sallitt who is name-checked on page 35 (Marlon Brando article) of the July 16th Entertainment Weekly (Brando cover)? Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:49:18 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Destroy All Fall On Wednesday, July 21, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: > I have a great deal of fondness for I Am Kurious Oranj (since that and > Frenz date to my initial period of Fall-mania), although I can see it > not being perceived as a "real" (old) Fall LP, being a sort of > soundtrack with some reworked material. And I like Extricate more > than most, too. nothing takes me back to collegiate inebriation quite like the Fall, whom i drunkenly proclaimed the World's Best Band on more than one occasion in the mid-late '80s (to a general rolling of eyes among most of my friends). so i was thrilled not long ago to find a copy of Extricate on eBay, still in a longbox! now *that* takes you back. as for the past 10 years' output, i find myself in the minority on Cerebral Caustic, whose poor production i find off-putting. i keep getting outbid on Light Users Syndrome, so no opinion. i do like Shiftwork a lot, and REALLY like Infotainment Scan. i haven't purchased any of the last four, although with the reviews the new album is getting, i'll certainly track it down. the glory of the Fall is, there's so much out there that if you get tired of one period's output, you can just listen to a different lineup for awhile until the rest is fresh again. and if there are 10 cooler albums anywhere than This Nation's Saving Grace, i don't own them. dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:18:51 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LoudFan name sighting? > Hey Dan Sallitt, are you *the* Dan Sallitt who is name-checked on page > 35 (Marlon Brando article) of the July 16th Entertainment Weekly (Brando > cover)? Yeah, that's me. Dave Kehr is pretty generous about giving credit to others, which is nice of him. - Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #199 *******************************