From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #191 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 14 2004 Volume 04 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] new marketing strategy ["richard BLATHERWICK" ] Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] bay area music editor job ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] All Music Labyrinth ["Fortissimo" ] [loud-fans] oops ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:10 +0100 From: "richard BLATHERWICK" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new marketing strategy > Consider: > > (from an interview with Charles Bissell a/k/a Charles Mexico of the > Wrens, in the premiere issue of _Ladies & Gentlemen_): > > ...Jeff Is the rest of this available any where online for other Wren-fans? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:51 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new marketing strategy On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:19:10 +0100, "richard BLATHERWICK" said: > > Consider: > > > > (from an interview with Charles Bissell a/k/a Charles Mexico of the > > Wrens, in the premiere issue of _Ladies & Gentlemen_): > > > > ...Jeff > > Is the rest of this available any where online for other Wren-fans? I don't think so: it's a zine that's *printed* on big ol' paper and comes with a gigantic 12-inch LP record. Buncha Luddites, methinks... Although like the Amish, they've reconciled to a degree with the scary ol' world of technology, and have a website: http://www.lagmag.com. You can order stuff. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:16:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] ... yet another new marketing strategy... Submitted by Jeffrey: "One of the hardest things [in finishing _The Meadowlands_] was getting some of the recording poop down so that versions of the songs would 'transfer' - that is, sound more or less as okey dokey in your boombox, your car, etc., as they did in our dining room where we made it. It's a tougher trick than it would seem. At one time, things were so grim in this department we considered selling each CD with a customized listening environment modeled on the ground floor of our house and to scale - estimated street price per CD: $22,000. We figured at that price we'd only have to move a couple units. And at least they'd sound good." >>Discuss feasibility of this business plan... Interesting... a day or so before reading this, I had just thought of something funny I kinda wanted to do the next time I "release" an "album"... which was to affix a sticker to the (ahem) first thousand copies saying "Limited Edition Featuring Bonus 5-Track Luxury Yacht" or "Deluxe Edition-- Includes Peel Sessions EP and Live Echidna", and leave it at that. What's the biggest playable phonograph record ever created? I dunno why I ask; it just seems like something someone might do to get into the record books... create a huge, swimming-pool-sized record player, just for the sheer pleasure of showing it to people and saying, "And GUESS WHAT! It actually WORKS!" - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:16:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] ... yet another new marketing strategy... Submitted by Jeffrey: "One of the hardest things [in finishing _The Meadowlands_] was getting some of the recording poop down so that versions of the songs would 'transfer' - that is, sound more or less as okey dokey in your boombox, your car, etc., as they did in our dining room where we made it. It's a tougher trick than it would seem. At one time, things were so grim in this department we considered selling each CD with a customized listening environment modeled on the ground floor of our house and to scale - estimated street price per CD: $22,000. We figured at that price we'd only have to move a couple units. And at least they'd sound good." >>Discuss feasibility of this business plan... Interesting... a day or so before reading this, I had just thought of something funny I kinda wanted to do the next time I "release" an "album"... which was to affix a sticker to the (ahem) first thousand copies saying "Limited Edition Featuring Bonus 5-Track Luxury Yacht" or "Deluxe Edition-- Includes Peel Sessions EP and Live Echidna", and leave it at that. What's the biggest playable phonograph record ever created? I dunno why I ask; it just seems like something someone might do to get into the record books... create a huge, swimming-pool-sized record player, just for the sheer pleasure of showing it to people and saying, "And GUESS WHAT! It actually WORKS!" - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:25:15 EDT From: ELFFLOW@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] interesting AP news article on The Beatles Battered Suitcase Yields Possible Beatles Trove Australia Flea Market Find May Contain Late Beatles Roadie's Lost Archive LONDON (July 13) - All you need is luck. A vacationer who purchased a suitcase at an Australian flea market found a trove of Beatles memorabilia inside, including photos, concert programs and unreleased recordings, The Times newspaper reported Tuesday. While the materials have yet to be authenticated, some experts believe the collection is the lost "Mal Evans archive," originally belonging to the Beatles' roadie and sound recordist. Evans was killed by police in Los Angeles in 1976 after he had brandished a fake gun. The contents of the suitcase were lost during the police investigation, The Times said. Fraser Claughton, 41, from Tinkerton, England, found the suitcase in a small town outside of Melbourne, The Times said. Realizing the suitcase was not empty, he bought it for about $36. "It's like finding the end of the rainbow in Australia," The Times quoted Claughton as saying. "I spotted one tatty old suitcase, which frankly I wouldn't have given house room, but when I picked it up there was something in it." The 4 1/2 hour reel-to-reel tape recording includes John Lennon and Paul McCartney experimenting with alternative versions of some previously unrecorded tracks. The collection also includes previously unknown versions of new recordings of "We Can Work It Out" and "Cry Baby Cry." The tapes, labeled "Abbey Road... not for release," will be evaluated by the Beatles' record label, Apple, and examined by experts to determine their origin and authenticity. "With the exception of (two tracks) it sounds very exciting indeed," memorabilia consultant and Beatles specialist Peter Doggett told The Times. A spokeswoman for Christie's said while the auction house has had no contact with the collection as of yet, there is "Beatles memorabilia in every pop memorabilia sale - it's very popular." In 1998, a notebook compiled by Evans, containing draft lyrics for "Hey Jude" and "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band," sold for $185,000 at a London auction. A year earlier, McCartney obtained an injunction to prevent Evans' widow from selling a scrap of paper with the original lyrics to "With a Little Help From My Friends." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:14:19 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] new AMG? So what do people think of the new AMG layout? Still a few bugs, at least judging from my rather brief exploration so far. Frinstance: what's with the huge honking white space on the right side of my screen? (I'm in Mozilla, fwiw...) A lot fewer mysterious, unexplained features (or at least, such features are easier to get to) such as the hitherto puzzling "moods" thing. Note: they now seem to know that Scott Miller and Scott Miller aren't the same person. 'Course, it doesn't seem to work with Music Collector yet - I suppose Collectorz.com will be updating that soon... Also: Stewart, they dissed you in the "Writers' Bloc" section - you're not listed. (Either that, or you just haven't written up your bio...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:55:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > So what do people think of the new AMG layout? In Mozilla it's atrocious. In Safari, it just takes up more space for the same amount of information. I'll keep using (how could I stop?) and see if I find more to like, but my initial impression is that it's no improvement at all... a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:02:43 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] bay area music editor job http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/wri/35724549.html Associate Editor, Download.com Music Reply to: see below Date: 2004-07-07, 12:15PM PDT Associate Editor, Download.com Music, CNET Networks (www.cnet.com) The Associate Editor for Download.com Music is part of the editorial team responsible for all the content on the site. The Associate Editor writes and copy-edits short reviews, full reviews, interviews, newsletters, promotional copy, and features about artists and the music scene. The Associate Editor listens to and reviews music, and programs content on the web site. The Associate Editor is responsible for the editorial style manual and contributes greatly to the editorial voice of the site. Additionally, the Associate Editor is a contributor to the label relations group, contacting record labels to solicit quality content. The ideal candidate will have firsthand experience covering or working in the music industry; writing and editing experience, preferably for a Web-based publication; and an excitement for music and helping others with discovering new music. Requirements: - - BA in English or equivalent - - Fluency in Chicago Manual of Style - - Experience at a music editorial magazine or online music site - - Knowledge of and experience with the music industry in general - - Copy editing experience (an editing test will be required) - - Deep knowledge of several genres of music, and an ability to write about any kind of music Plusses: - - Experience with online content management, production and publications - - Experience working with freelance writers - - A familiarity with HTML To be considered for this, or any position at CNET Networks, please visit our online Employment Center. - -- An attitude of permanent indignation signifies great mental poverty. Politics compels its votaries to take that line and you see their minds growing more and more impoverished every day, from one burst of righteous anger to the next. Paul Valery, Tel Quel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:29:00 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? At Tuesday 7/13/2004 06:14 PM, Fortissimo wrote: >So what do people think of the new AMG layout? Sucks. It's harder to get to the info you want, and it doesn't really look all that much better. >Still a few bugs, at least judging from my rather brief exploration so >far. Frinstance: what's with the huge honking white space on the right >side of my screen? (I'm in Mozilla, fwiw...) It doesn't work with Mozilla. If you view it in Firefox, it says it only works with IE 5.5 or above. The big white space gets filled when viewed in IE. >A lot fewer mysterious, >unexplained features (or at least, such features are easier to get to) >such as the hitherto puzzling "moods" thing. For some of the features, you now have to register, and give required information such as your household income. Hmmm, I wonder why they need to know that... It's also a lot slower, but I assume that's because they're still working on their server load balancing or something. >'Course, it doesn't seem to work with Music Collector yet - I suppose >Collectorz.com will be updating that soon... They've updated it already. Download MuC Version 6.4, Build 4. The first time you try to use AMG after installing the build, it will download the necessary new scripts. And then the second time it will work, as long as it doesn't time out due to the aforementioned slowness problem. BTW, this new MuC version has some other nice features - most noticeably, it's a lot faster in loading and navigating around my 4000-disc database. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:34:43 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] All Music Labyrinth The more I look at this thing, the less I like it. First, in Mozilla the columns for track listings line up ludicrously: most the column for track time, and the titles break after about ten characters or so. AMG's tab thing is annoying (and god help anyone trying to look at this site via dialup) - and their new info (sortable song lists, credits, etc.) is accessible only if you register and provide personal data (please lie freely so the marketing droids find some other way to make things work: no, you don't need to know my income level, which ultimately tells you very little about what I'm interested in..other than, duh, music) - or at least, it would be, if the damned thing recognized the password and login it gave me (and yes, I tried it in IE too). So, basically, I have access to less info than before, organized more poorly and requiring more clicks and reloads than before, in a color scheme that, although I initially liked its looks, turns out in practice to create less-than-obvious navigation due to lack of contrast and consistency in terms of look/function. Their comment in response to complaints (on the main page now) seemed reasonable when I first read it...but here it's reproduced, with some feedback that calls AMG's logic into question: Oh - and here's a handy little doodad - so far, seems to work fine: - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:28:33 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] oops sorry. that wasn't meant to be sent sans intro, explanation, etc. it should have included the following: i just ran across this online, and given that i've heard a handful of folks talk recently about being out of work (at least one on this list) i figured i'd forward it. i think i pasted the listing over my text... oh well. brianna - -- An attitude of permanent indignation signifies great mental poverty. Politics compels its votaries to take that line and you see their minds growing more and more impoverished every day, from one burst of righteous anger to the next. Paul Valery, Tel Quel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:28:53 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? Aaron Mandel wrote: >In Mozilla it's atrocious. > Yep, it's pretty ugly alright. And what's up with that tinker-toy science project animation at the top (to search by mood and whatever else)? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:33:42 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? Roger Winston wrote: > > It doesn't work with Mozilla. If you view it in Firefox, it says it > only works with IE 5.5 or above. The big white space gets filled when > viewed in IE. Filled with what? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:51:55 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new AMG? At 02:33 AM 7/14/2004 -0400, Jenny Grover wrote: >Roger Winston wrote: > >> >> It doesn't work with Mozilla. If you view it in Firefox, it says it >> only works with IE 5.5 or above. The big white space gets filled when >> viewed in IE. > > > >Filled with what? A lovely seedless raspberry jam. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #191 *******************************