From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #145 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 29 2004 Volume 04 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] from Ms. Grover's kitchen sink [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... [Cardinal007 And indeed they are! Or were. They existed from '81-'84, and the > master of their first album, which had only been released in France, and > which makes up about half of the CD this is from, was thought lost for > 20 years. > As the review linked to that URL will most likely mention, this was also Paula Pierce's earlier band before she moved on to a greater songwriting role in The Pandoras...whose "Stop Pretending" was recently reissued on Rhino Handmade to seemingly little notice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:36:20 -0400 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... On Thursday, May 27, 2004, at 12:13 AM, steve wrote: > >> You'd take a bazooka to a gnat. > > > Seen Clancy and Zinni on TV the last couple of days? That bazooka is > aimed at something more than a gnat. Bush is a danger to the nation - > he has no ideas of his own and doesn't know enough to recognize when > his retainers are giving him bad advice. > > Pampered, empty rich boy + Jesus at 40 + governor of Texas = nothing > much. I guess I wasn't clear what I meant by the "bazooka" comment. With the overwhelming bases for criticizing Bush, with all the valid arguments available to Mr. Milenski, he pulls out the bazooka: the monstrous Bush. The "Yay" factor, as Taylor noted. The President not as fuck-up, not even as arrogant warmonger. The President as unfeeling, uncomplicated, single-minded evil. The gnat I refer to is not Bush, but his defenders. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:41:57 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... > > I don't have a sense of humor about it either. I was dead serious > > when I said Bush's thought was "now I get my war in Iraq." >Oh, you're not doing yourself justice. In fact, you said that you believe >Bush's first thought was "Yay! Now I have an excuse to attack Iraq!!" I'd >like >to think that any intelligent person on the Left or Right would understand >how >pathetic and petty it is to imagine our President reacting with glee to a >terrorist attack on American soil. I'm sorry, but I believe our president *is* that pathetic and petty. _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:47:43 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... >Your belief presupposes a level of uncaring, inhumane, manipulative, >sophisticated evil that seems utterly belied by the behavior of Bush prior >to 9/11. Why would I think that a man who so willingly sends the American military to die for his personal war is caring, humane, or un-manipulative in any way?? _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:54:39 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... >As for cynical reactions to the attacks: recall that *within a day or >two* of the attacks, you could already see t-shirts for sale with slogans >relating to the attack. The presence of those shirts and bumper stickers, >etc., means that at least some people's first thoughts, literally within >hours of the attack, was, hey, what an opportunity to make a few bucks. Within hours, there were gas stations that had raised the price to $3.00 a gallon... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:54:07 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:07:37 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > And while it's sweet of you to worry about approval numbers, I don't think Republicans > are too concerned. Probably because they've been too busy lining their pockets the past couple of years. Not that Democrats are any better. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:39:39 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... On May 27, 2004, at 5:36 AM, Cardinal007 wrote: > With the overwhelming bases for criticizing Bush, with all the valid > arguments available to Mr. Milenski, he pulls out the bazooka: the > monstrous Bush. The "Yay" factor, as Taylor noted. The President not > as fuck-up, not even as arrogant warmonger. The President as > unfeeling, uncomplicated, single-minded evil. Bush is like getting a shaman when you need a surgeon. I don't think he's intentionally evil, but you have to ask at what point his level of wrong-action becomes *an* evil. Is there a metaphysician in the house? - - Steve _________ I've obviously been lied to a lot by campaign operatives, but the striking thing about the way she lied was she knew I knew she was lying, and she did it anyway. There is no word in English that captures that. It almost crosses over from bravado into mental illness. - Tucker Carlson, on Karen Hughes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:22:53 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] So long as we're asking favors... In a message dated 5/27/04 9:41:00 AM, steveschiavo@mac.com writes: > Bush is like getting a shaman when you need a surgeon. I don't think > he's intentionally evil, but you have to ask at what point his level of > wrong-action becomes *an* evil. > So we've all made note of the popular Leftist opinion that Bush's initial reaction to 9/11 was joy at how it would further his personal goal of sending soldiers to die for his personal war. Obviously, that's a Leftist debate that's sunk to its own level. Given the seriousness of the Left, it doesn't seem frivolous to note here that I'm working through another import buy-out, and people might reconsider investing in Mower, Clarkesville, Slo-Mo, or, it seems, just about anything else recently praised by the British press. The 2-CD version of The Soundtrack of Our Lives' "Behind The Music" was a pleasant surprise, though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:21:18 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] DOS (Death of Samantha, not the Mike Watt/Kira side project) Jeff 'n' Jen: >>>If I remember correctly, Death of Samantha was the band the Cobra Verde >>>guy was in beforehand, right? >Actually, 3/4 of DOS are in CV. Didn't know that. I was just dredging through my rarely-thought-about, almost-never-played-all-the-way-through various artist compilation discs looking for stray tracks which belong on my iPod... we're talking 99 cent bin pickups bought for one good track, soundtrack freebies from my old film exhibition gig, samplers, stuff compiled by friends, that kind of thing, and got a lot of mileage out of two old Homestead samplers, Human Music and Wailing Ultimate... and I mean a *lot* of mileage. Both of them had DOS tracks, which I remember having liked when I originally heard them, but for some reason I didn't rip them... so now I may be going back and checking those out again. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:49:14 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] Mike Jarvis (Blow Pops/Lackloves) Since I know there are a few fans of Jarvis's work here, you might be interested in this brief interview: http://tinyurl.com/3cfsp - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:27:31 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from Ms. Grover's kitchen sink On Thu, 27 May 2004 01:54:11 -0400, "Jenny Grover" said: > >"International Velvet" is another one I can never quite remember - it's > >not bad or anything, except the vocalist tends to go flat, and is oddly > >recorded, with the voice fluctuating oddly in volume as if he's afraid of > >the microphone. > > That would be Mark Dumais. Since this is one of the b-side songs to the > "Crash" 12", it may well be a demo. Ah. So they're the band that did that song that Ultra Vivid Scene covered...or at least, they're the band that features the guy that wrote the song that Ultra Vivid Scene covered in the house that Jack built. > >Truly is one of those vaguely grungey bands made of up second-tier guys > >from famous bands, right? > Depends who you ask. I'm not sure just whence Robert Roth came (maybe > he sprung fully formed from someone's head), but Hiro Yamamoto and Mark > Pickerel are no slouches and were founding members of their previous > bands. Hiro retired from music in favor of home and family life. Mark > records under the name Dark Fantastic, whose songs that I've put on > former Loud-mixes have garnered quite favorable comments. As for > grunge-readiness this IS a mid 90's Seattle record, after all. By "second-tier" I meant only "not the stars of the band" - i.e., not a collab between, say, Chris Cornell, Eddie Vedder, and that other guy who wrote songs for Courtney Love. If it wasn't clear from my comments, I really liked the song. > >If I remember correctly, Death of Samantha was the band the Cobra Verde > >guy was in beforehand, right? > Actually, 3/4 of DOS are in CV. I did look it up later, yes. Per Rex, I"ll have to dig out that old Homestead sampler (I think I found my copy for a quarter somewhere - I figured, hey, for 25 cents, I can skip the G.G. Allin track every time!). - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from Ms. Grover's kitchen sink - --- Jenny Grover wrote: > >If I remember correctly, Death of Samantha was the > band the Cobra Verde > >guy was in beforehand, right? > > > > > Actually, 3/4 of DOS are in CV. Actually... these days it's John Petkovic , Don Depew (behind the scenes) and a new backing band. None of the other people who played on NIGHTLIFE are on EASY LISTENING. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 03:11:37 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] DOS (Death of Samantha, not the Mike Watt/Kira side project) Rex.Broome wrote: >Both of them had DOS tracks, which I remember having liked when I originally heard them, but for some reason I didn't rip them... so now I may be going back and checking those out again. > > > What's on "Wailing Ultimate"? I don't know about that comp. As far as I know, the only place you can get "Do It" is on Human Music, which is a really good comp. overall. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 03:20:25 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from Ms. Grover's kitchen sink Phil Fleming wrote: >Actually... these days it's John Petkovic , Don Depew >(behind the scenes) and a new backing band. None of >the other people who played on NIGHTLIFE are on EASY >LISTENING. > > > Damn! I just can't keep up. I better go read all the liner notes to the new stuff I've got (and apparently a lot of the not so new stuff) before I forget I haven't read them. Or something like that. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 03:23:06 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from Ms. Grover's kitchen sink Fortissimo wrote: >Ah. So they're the band that did that song that Ultra Vivid Scene >covered...or at least, they're the band that features the guy that wrote >the song that Ultra Vivid Scene covered in the house that Jack built. > > Something like that. >By "second-tier" I meant only "not the stars of the band" - i.e., not a >collab between, say, Chris Cornell, Eddie Vedder, and that other guy who >wrote songs for Courtney Love. > > So, basically anyone who isn't a front man? That's pretty shallow. >If it wasn't clear from my comments, I really liked the song. > > That part, at least, was clear. >Per Rex, I"ll have to dig out that old >Homestead sampler (I think I found my copy for a quarter somewhere - I >figured, hey, for 25 cents, I can skip the G.G. Allin track every time!). > > Damn. I wanna go record shopping with you guys! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:53:40 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] Decemberists / Long Winters, Portland May 27, 2004 I saw the Decemberists for the first time a year ago this week, at an underattended Memorial Weekend show at the Blackbird, a now-defunct northeast Portland club. Since then, the band's reputation and national fanbase has expanded enormously, through the relentless promotion from pitchforkmedia.com and favorable press in journals as rarified as the New York Times. But they're still a Portland band, and a massive audience showed up at the Aladdin for the opening leg of their seemingly-neverending national tour. This time they had simpatico Seattleites the Long Winters accompanying them for their first show on the road, and every wry, literate, laterally-minded and bespectacled indie rock fan in Portland was in attendance. The Places opened, a guy-gal duo that struck me periodically as what Cat Power would sound like performing songs from Fables of the Reconstruction. After an appallingly tuneless opening song, their set improved dramatically, to the point that I was seriously considering taking a listen to an actual album. The Long Winters were on next, and did a magnificent set of upbeat, catchy indie pop, led by the animated and self-deprecating John Roderick. I had seen the Long Winters in only their second or third show as a band, opening for Ken Stringfellow, and it's a delight to see how far their already-accomplished songwriting has progressed. At times reminiscent of the Gear Daddies performing XTC songs, they romped through the best songs from their first two albums, featuring "Stupid," "Car Parts," "Unsalted Butter" and a bunch more. This band's audience has also exploded, and Roderick was presented with a festive plate of cupcakes on stage by some enthusiastic fans, which elicited some predictable but clever banter about the nature of the cupcakes, and whether or not the bakers were Reedies. The Long Winters have gotten catchier and more energetic since their first album, which displayed a more dour band than the one that showed up yesterday. When I Pretend to Fall, the most recent album, is unabashed literate pop that will delight Pernice Brothers fans, with "New Girl" - their set-closer - one of the absolute highlights.. Colin Meloy of the Decemberists, when he took the stage around ten o'clock to rapturous applause, revealed himself as a bit abashed and ostensibly out of practice. But the band was altogether brilliant, balancing the anachronistic European cafi elements - playful piano, sighing accordion, and Meloy's sea shantey lyrics - with a welcome rock and roll energy. "My name is Leslie Anne Levine / I was birthed in a dry ravine," he cooed in the opening song. "Los Angeles, I'm Yours" and "The Bachelor and the Bride" showed the crowd that the accordion and the xylophone can coexist happily with electric guitar and drum kit. Some songs induced enthusiastic indie rock head-nodding, others elicited full-blown waltzing in the aisles. "The Chimbley Sweep," a subplot of the "Leslie Anne Levine" saga, was a sweeping rock song with alternating guitar/accordion soloing, a gimmick that should be exercised more frequently. The whole set was a triumphant display of Meloy's songwriting and the band's craft. Admittedly, we left when they began to perform The Tain (their fifteen-minute concept EP) for an encore, but it was a great evening throughout. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #145 *******************************