From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #124 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, May 6 2004 Volume 04 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] um... ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities ["For] Re: [loud-fans] um... [glenn mcdonald ] Re: [loud-fans] um... [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] um... ["Fortissimo" ] [loud-fans] MoB rule ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities [Aaro] Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities [dmw] Re: [loud-fans] um... [glenn mcdonald ] Re: [loud-fans] um... ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities ["F] Re: [loud-fans] um... [Dave Walker ] [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V4 #123 ["Rex.Broome" ] [loud-fans] flop ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] flop [dmw ] RE: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities ["] Re: [loud-fans] um... [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] um... [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] flop ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 07:48:23 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:29:58 -0700, "Bradley Skaught" said: > All the great Steve M's have albums out this year: Stephen's Morrissey > and > Manning (Statuesque), and Stephin Manning. For the last one you meant "Merritt," of course. Anyway, Stephen Manning is more evidence for my theory that I find songwriters with the initials SM amusing: the three above, Stephen Malkmus...oh, and some other Scott guy whose last name begins with "M." - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 07:40:01 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities On Wed, 05 May 2004 01:14:23 -0400, "Jenny Grover" said: > After the recurring nightmare of getting to end of the year top whatever > list-making and having to go through everything I acquired to find out > the release date, I have started trying to keep track as I go this year > by listing things as they come in (or reasonably soon after). My > question deals with the latest Church release. I know it came out in > Europe in 2003, but it didn't come out in the US till 2004. However, my > copy has a 2003 date on the cover art. So, does it count as a 2004 > release if I live in the US, or am I bound by the date on the cover art? As you may recall, the Church seceded from time a, uh, "while" ago - so that album came out in all years inclusive. With any other artist, though, I'd say: do what you want. It's kind of arbitrary, really: there's the import issue (and if you'd bought the import in '03, who could argue it's not an '03 release?), and then there's the fact that although few albums are released in December or even late November, those that are clearly suffer in year-end rankings by virtue of people not having time to digest them. I know I've probably included a number of Nov. or Dec. releases in the following year's poll - and I'll defend that on the grounds that most of such an album's influence and listening-to happened in the following year. But hey - others here might just have to crucify you if you get things wrong according to their dictates on such things. ps: T&G appears to have no link to its archives on the front page - or am I missing it? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:32:29 -0400 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... My vote for album of the year, so far: _Dreamer's Book_ by Mascott. Unless you grew up loving UFO. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 07:52:46 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... At Wednesday 5/5/2004 07:32 AM, glenn mcdonald wrote: >My vote for album of the year, so far: _Dreamer's Book_ by Mascott. > >Unless you grew up loving UFO. The band or the TV show? Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:05:04 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... On Wed, 5 May 2004 09:32:29 -0400, "glenn mcdonald" said: > My vote for album of the year, so far: _Dreamer's Book_ by Mascott. I liked her/"their" last album (at least I think it was the last: about two years ago) pretty well. > Unless you grew up loving UFO. You mean the cheesy sci-fi TV show w/the women in silver lame mini-skirts? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:32:49 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] MoB rule Speaking of worthy new releases: on my first listen or so, I'm pretty impressed with the new Mission of Burma. What struck me is how distinctive, and yet complementary, each member's songwriting is: I could tell when it was a Conley track or Prescott track immediately (even before either of them started singing). It's too bad more bands can't manage to have more than one distinctive writer and vocalist - it adds a lot to the flow of the album to have that variety. I haven't gone back and listened to the earlier versions of the four tracks that appear here in remade form (Miller's "Wounded World" from No Man's _How the West Was Won_, along with his "Playland" and Conley's "Hunt Again" and "Dirt," all of which appeared on those two mop-up EPs), but that should be interesting... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities On Wed, 5 May 2004, Jenny Grover wrote: > So, does it count as a 2004 release if I live in the US, or am I bound > by the date on the cover art? I've run into a substantial number of records whose cover dates are just wrong -- presumably they printed everything up before a delay of some kind, or they sold the album at shows in November and December before shipping it for real, or whatever. (By 'just wrong' here, I'm assuming that if email newsletters directly from the label say "this album should be out in stores next Tuesday" and then indeed it's in a store next Tuesday, that's the real for sure total official release date.) a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:38:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities On Wed, 5 May 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > (By 'just wrong' here, I'm assuming that if email newsletters directly > from the label say "this album should be out in stores next Tuesday" and > then indeed it's in a store next Tuesday, that's the real for sure total > official release date.) even at that level, though, it's arbitrary if not outright fictional. the label may elect to hold a record even after publishing the release date in all the usual places -- weren't the uncle tupelo re-releases just delayed several times? -- or the distributor may sit on something, effectively changing the release date (for soundscan purposes, where the first sale week is the make-or-break for a great many records.) i'd be inclined to prefer the date on the sleeve, which ought to at least theoretically reflect the time the recording was submitted to the copyright office. ... if anyone is intrigued by the fugaziliveseries.com but overwhelmed and doesn't know where to start, i offer an (ear) ringing endorsement of volume 16. (nyc, May 1997) excellent recording and performance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:56:45 -0400 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... By UFO I meant the band, but this has revealed that I seem to have missed what sounds like a really excellent TV show. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:12:36 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... glenn mcdonald on 5/5/2004 9:56:45 AM wrote: > By UFO I meant the band, but this has revealed that I seem to have > missed what sounds like a really excellent TV show. No need to miss it, as the entire series (1 season, 26 episodes) is of course available on DVD, like all respectable cult TV shows: http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?item_id=551881 (It's also available as two half-seasons sets, which is what I have. But that's more expensive if you're going for the whole thing. If only they had released the "Megaset" first...) Where else can you see suppository-firing spaceships and women forced to wear purple wigs? Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:19:55 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities On Wed, 5 May 2004 11:38:23 -0400 (EDT), "dmw" said: > On Wed, 5 May 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > > (By 'just wrong' here, I'm assuming that if email newsletters directly > > from the label say "this album should be out in stores next Tuesday" and > > then indeed it's in a store next Tuesday, that's the real for sure total > > official release date.) > > even at that level, though, it's arbitrary if not outright > fictional. the label may elect to hold a record even after > publishing the release date in all the usual places -- weren't the > uncle tupelo re-releases just delayed several times? -- or the > distributor may sit on something, effectively changing the release > date (for soundscan purposes, where the first sale week is the > make-or-break for a great many records.) > > i'd be inclined to prefer the date on the sleeve, which ought to > at least theoretically reflect the time the recording was > submitted to the copyright office. And of course, some stores "release" things before they're "supposed" to...and, as we've seen here, some people end up with copies of things in '03 that aren't officially released until '04. Which gets back to what I used to do: make note of when the damned thing was *recorded*. But that caused its own problems - most obviously, in compilations, but also in terms of remixes, whether I was going to count something that was recorded in, say, March of 2003 but not mixed until January 1, 2004 as 2004, etc. Not to mention that recording dates aren't always included... Yet for some reason, I still file my CDs within artist chronologically... And of course, there's something odd about including in a best-of 2000 list an album that, for whatever reason, wasn't *released* until 2004. Then again, there's something odd about including an album recorded four years previous in a year's best-of listings. And yet again, there's something odd about obsessing over all of this: I should really just relax. (BTW: the drum tracks for the Wrens' _Meadowlands_ were recorded way back when - '98 or so. Very little was changed there - some looping in spots, I think, and processing - but no new drum tracks - for an album that was released in 2004.) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:32:20 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... On May 4, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2004, nimbleboy wrote: > >> I'm working again. I would like to go to the record store and buy four >> or five relatively new (2004) releases. Can I talk you fine people >> into >> giving me some recommendations? > > Arthur Russell - Calling Out Of Context > - "Imagine that Hall & Oates were infinitely wise giant bunnies from > outer > space..." wrote a friend of a friend. Audio at audikarecords.com. I want to second this recommendation. It's a really, really beautiful record. Not only are the arrangements wildly inventive, but Russell has one of the most affecting singing voices I've ever heard. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:38:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: loud-fans-digest V4 #123 Miles: >>And I'm putting the Church on my '04 list -- and it's currently #1, as a matter of fact. I can't believe it, but I'm fairly sure this will clear the top 5 on my year end list, too. Re: Those Big Star SACD's... are #1 Record and Radio City going to actually be separate CD's now? Any bonus material? Dan, I do have CDR's on a couple of the items you're looking for, so if you get desperate, drop me a line... Looking forward to lunch, which will hopefully equal a copy of the new Mission of Burman, God and Virgin Burbank willing. There are some recycled older tunes on there, no? Still... rather excited about this. And the tour... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities On Wed, 5 May 2004, dmw wrote: > even at that level, though, it's arbitrary if not outright > fictional. Arbitrary, yes. Fictional, no. I'm saying, if a label says an album's going to be available on a particular day, and then it IS, I would call that a "release date". How is that fiction? > i'd be inclined to prefer the date on the sleeve, which ought to at > least theoretically reflect the time the recording was submitted to the > copyright office. Not all recordings are submitted to the copyright office at all, nor do I imagine people talking about release dates for loud-fan purposes are looking at it through that lens anyway... but okay, yeah, I was talking about a situation where the copyright date printed may be technically correct, but is not the date of first publication. I don't know what the subtleties are there. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... > Where else can you see suppository-firing spaceships and women forced to > wear purple wigs? Not to mention Nick Drake's sister, Gabrielle Drake. Not sure if she wears a purple wig, though. Andy Tommy Sxdervik, my best friend's younger brother, recently celebrated his legal coming of age. No longer must he exercise discretion in furtively indulging in the privileges exclusive to adulthood. No, no. He can suckle a bottle of hard liquour without fear of incurring the long, flabby arm of the law around his supple young neck. For Tommy is a grown man, and by Jove did we let him know. In celebration of this milestone, his friends and mine collaborated to throw him the most astonishing party he never could have hoped for. Actually, it wasn't terribly spectacular, nor was it as rowdy as you'd probably expect, but in more ways than one that makes it all the better. Upon my inquiry as to whether or not I should bake a stripper inside a cake and have her pop lasciviously from it, fluttering her lustily bloodshot eyes and lap-dancing him till he explodes like a hormonally overloaded sturgeon (though having been baked into a pastry, she'd be in no condition for foreplay), he replied with sardonic righteousness that, were I to indeed hire him a stripper, he'd do nothing with her than play Hungry Hungry Hippos. And so I took him at his word. A few weeks before the party, we had planned on renting out a woman of ill-repute for Tommy, for the sole purpose of calling his bluff. We dragged the sleaziest depths of our Rolodexes (plural Rolodices?) for what dubious underworld connections we could find, but being generally upright young citizens, it seemed rather futile. Finally, after more string-pulling than an Austrian marionette extravaganza, we managed to find a lowly woman in desperate need of employment. Her name was Jetta, and she was anything but turbo-charged. She wasn't economical either, nor was she family-friendly. I'll have to take up arms with Volkswagen for blatant false advertising, but that's a matter for the courts. Anyway, Jetta fell quite short of attractive, and probably wouldn't have passed a government health inspection, but it's not like anyone ran the risk of acquiring her rampant venereal diseases. After all, there's very little fluid exchange involved in Hungry Hungry Hippos. Trust me, I ran a few test runs before the party. So Jetta agreed to appear at Tommy's party. I'm still so proud that we pulled off the plan, that my heart, in this pride, dwarfs the Grinch's when he returned Christmas to all the little Who's down in Whoville. (God rest the late John Entwhistle.) We had warned her and her manager (whom we never saw, kind of like Bosley from Charlie's Angels, but his name was just Roald) ahead of time that her intended services were not needed at all, but her fingers had best be dextrous, for she'd be working a hippo long into the wee hours of the night. Neither she nor Pimpin' Roald had any idea what we meant. They likely assumed we were drunk, or at least a bit knocked out of our gourds. Daft we may very well be, but (for once) not in the least intoxicated. And so Jetta arrived and performed her nasty little deed, and she seemed significantly more disquieted than she did disappointed. Maybe after this she'll rethink her contribution to society and decide on university or something, and become a lawyer. I like to think my friends and I have been philanthropic rather than misanthropic (both a far cry from lycanthropic, because that's just grotesque); the silver lining to the proverbial cloud. Seven hours came and went without so much as a randy glance in her direction, not even from Tommy. But that's not to say that she didn't give our balls a proper licking... You raunchy bugger, what do you think I mean by that? Sexual congress? Oral gratification? Shame yourselves! All I'm trying to say is that, for a second-hand stripper/hooker/Fembot-on-the-edge, Jetta surpasses them all when it comes to manipulating a hippopotamus (with those dextrous fingers!) into gluttonously devouring marbles (the balls in question). Escort rentals notwithstanding, Hungry Hungry Hippos is a much cheaper, more wholesome way to celebrate adulthood than some of the vast many other options. Preserve human decency and save yourselves from a terrible pubic affliction that burns like napalm when you urinate. HIPPOS, NOT STRIPPOS!! - --a review of HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS, by Sxren Trygve Rask (http://www.epinions.com/content_138721857156) (courtesy Jer Fairall) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:19:00 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities Fortissimo wrote: >ps: T&G appears to have no link to its archives on the front page - or am >I missing it? > > There is no direct archive link. You have to use the search engine (which is linked from the sidebar). I'm not sure I like the way that search engine works, but I didn't choose it or set it up. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:41:22 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... zoom@muppetlabs.com on 5/5/2004 12:10:47 PM wrote: > Not to mention Nick Drake's sister, Gabrielle Drake. > > Not sure if she wears a purple wig, though. Yes. Yes, she did - that's her on the cover of the UFO Megaset. Most of the time, anyway. There was one episode where she had her normal-colored hair, and it was quite a shock. The purple wigs had a profound effect on my 11-year old mind. Profound. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:17:39 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] flop Does anyone here have, or know of a way to get, a smallish handful of ye olde 5" floppy disks? Somewhere there must be a museum of archaic technology, flush to the gills with floppies - but I don't know about it. (Horseshoes and wig-powder applicators are okay, too...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flop I saw a couple in a sidewalk planter sort of thing the other day. I know that's no actual help. On Wed, 5 May 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > Does anyone here have, or know of a way to get, a smallish handful of ye > olde 5" floppy disks? Somewhere there must be a museum of archaic > technology, flush to the gills with floppies - but I don't know about it. > > (Horseshoes and wig-powder applicators are okay, too...) > ------------------------------- > > ...Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - > :: this is nothing new," said the priest. > the pathetic caverns: a zine - opinionated and eclectic reviews a studio - specializing in indie/rock/mobile/live/demo recording http://www.pathetic-caverns.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:55:14 -0300 From: "John F Butland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] a question of temperature... i mean, technicalities > (BTW: the drum tracks for the Wrens' _Meadowlands_ were recorded way back > when - '98 or so. Very little was changed there - some looping in spots, > I think, and processing - but no new drum tracks - for an album that was > released in 2004.) > ------------------------------- > Yeah, but when were the drum sticks manufactured? (Yes, I'm often accused of being a smartass, to which I reply, "It's best to go with your strengths.") Best, JFB PS, Really digging the Freaks and Geeks box set - highly recommended to all who were, are, or wished you were one or the other. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:06:37 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... A couple of votes were for Nelly McKay. If there were one song you would pick to win people over, which would it be, says the guy who has one free iTunes download? MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:15 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] um... At 08:06 PM 5/5/2004 -0400, Michael Bowen wrote: >A couple of votes were for Nelly McKay. > >If there were one song you would pick to win people over, which would it >be, says the guy who has one free iTunes download? Tough call, but I'd have to go with "Toto Dies." Possibly "Ding Dong." No, definitely "Toto Dies." If she hadn't messed with it from the original version on her self-released album from last year, the answer would definitely be "Inner Peace," but the version on GET AWAY FROM ME isn't nearly as good: it's speeded up for no good reason. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:04:08 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flop The Jeff does write: > Does anyone here have, or know of a way to get, a smallish handful of ye > olde 5" floppy disks? Somewhere there must be a museum of archaic > technology, flush to the gills with floppies - but I don't know about it. Do they have to be blank? I just checked, and the technology museum that is a shelf in my garage has coughed up a bunch of 'em...including ones labeled "Wizardy," "Apple Writer II" and something ominously titled "Microsoft 1.06" Michael "and Wizardy II, did I mention that?" Wells ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #124 *******************************