From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #121 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, May 3 2004 Volume 04 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] All the Ships at Sea [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 04:02:43 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] All the Ships at Sea Stewart Mason wrote: >Jenny: Chappelle's Show is on Comedy Central -- I think it's on Tuesday >nights at 10 p.m. Eastern currently. > > Ah. Okay. I almost never watch that channel. I was able to play the clip by first saving it to my hard drive. It just wouldn't play directly for some reason. Can't say it did much for me, though. I mean, obvious offensiveness aside (which in itself doesn't necessarily disqualify humor for me), it just didn't make me laugh. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:39:56 -0300 From: "John F Butland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition Thanks, Jen. Glad to know that I'm not the only one that's completely baffled by the townsfolk's reaction. So I assume that it's exactly their unfathomable reaction that Jeff wanted us to notice. Best, JFB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Jenny Grover > Sent: May 1, 2004 9:55 PM > Cc: where they sleep better knowing stuff > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition > > Fortissimo wrote: > > >But no Kim Cattrall: > > > >------------------------------- > > > > > > > You know, I guess I just don't get it. What exactly is offensive about > a decently clothed female manequin just standing there, not doing > anything demeaning or provocative? It may be an unusual decoration, but > I don't understand the complaints. > > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:54:18 -0300 From: "John F Butland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] NP/NS Editing audio files I'll once again recommend Exact Audio Copy - freeware and available at http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ It's what you want for ripping those tracks and it makes a dandy burner (providing it recognizes your CD burner for burning - it'll rip from any CDROM as far as I know). It includes a simple wav editor that's fine if all you're looking to do is trim tracks - it'll even align the cuts at the CD sector boundaries. It will also normalize your tracks to help even out volume differences between older and newer masterings. There are a few other functions included but I've never delved very deep into them. If you're going to go deeper, something like Jeff's recommendation is probably what you need. Best, JFB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Fortissimo > Sent: May 2, 2004 2:00 AM > To: Stefaan Hurts; Dear23; where they sleep better knowing stuff > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Editing audio files > > On Sat, 01 May 2004 20:20:55 -0400, "Stefaan Hurts" > said: > > I'm a complete novice in the art of burning music on computer CD-Rs and > I > > was wondering if anyone out there could help. > > > > The thing is, I'm trying to make a mix CD on a computer, but the way > some > > songs start or end, makes them interrupt the flow of the mix (don't you > > just hate it when one track ends with the beginning of the next track?), > > so I was wondering how I can edit tracks and remove the parts I don't > > need, before I burn them to disc? When I still had my CD recorder, I > > would just pause the track where I wanted it to begin and then press > play > > on the CD player and record on the CD recorder to burn the track, but I > > would imagine computers offer a more sophisticated way of editing > tracks. > > I assume you first need to turn the audio files on the CD into WAVs in > > order to edit them, or am I totally wrong here? :) > > You need a .wav editor, something like Goldwave, which you can check out > for free at the obvious URL. It's shareware - I think $40 - $45 - I use > it all the time. There are other editors out there, which I haven't > really tried - but this one's served me well. > ------------------------------- > > ...Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree > :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often > :: they should appear. > :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition On Sun, 2 May 2004, John F Butland wrote: > Thanks, Jen. Glad to know that I'm not the only one that's completely > baffled by the townsfolk's reaction. So I assume that it's exactly their > unfathomable reaction that Jeff wanted us to notice. There are two things I find particularly strange about the article. First, the last two paragraphs have Mayor Seider saying that he'd want it removed if it were a male mannequin too, and then that he's protecting the city from a sexual harassment lawsuit. So is the alderman bisexual? Or is there something so lurid about mannequins that even in the absence of any sexual content OR intent to sexualize the mannequin, it's grounds for a sexual harassment suit? Doesn't add up. Second, there's something very weird about the article's description of the mannequin itself: "The mannequin has brown hair and no hands." a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 10:29:16 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Editing audio files Thanks to everyone for helping me out with this, it's much appreciated! :) Toodlepip, - -Stef ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 14:02:56 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition On Sun, 2 May 2004 10:39:56 -0300, "John F Butland" said: > Thanks, Jen. Glad to know that I'm not the only one that's completely > baffled by the townsfolk's reaction. So I assume that it's exactly their > unfathomable reaction that Jeff wanted us to notice. That, and the sheer WTF? factor of why the guy insists on having a mannequin in his office in the first place. > > > - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:49:24 -0400 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 03:02 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > That, and the sheer WTF? factor of why the guy insists on having a > mannequin in his office in the first place. I'm a little confused. Why do you find any WTF? in a guy having a mannequin in his office? They're pretty common around here. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 15:26:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] news of the weird, hometown edition > That, and the sheer WTF? factor of why the guy insists on having a > mannequin in his office in the first place. Well, it is Wisconsin after all. I don't see why anyone's surprised. This reads like classic 'workplace needling gone arms race' to me. There's already a strained relationship between the two parties, right? One's got something that's irritating his boss...and really twisting the knife. Going around asking other aldermen if they wanted their own was sheer genius (imagine: "it can have any hair color you want, but no hands"). The no-hands bit is just an added bonus. There's likely been other modifications we don't really want to know about. Michael "make mine a redhead" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 22:12:08 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] incredible subject title This is the actual subject line for a Viagara spam I just received. bazaar hike covert bastard antagonism salsify wiggle pitchblende abate volley deoxyribonucleic conflagration powers bimini annie tailor inferior abacus schmidt verify anabel sphinx judaism draco cuba doorway shoehorn commandant debut sidewinder foregoing Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:42:09 -0400 From: Cardinal007 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 10:12 PM, Jenny Grover wrote: > This is the actual subject line for a Viagara spam I just received. > > bazaar hike covert bastard antagonism salsify wiggle pitchblende abate > volley deoxyribonucleic conflagration powers bimini annie tailor > inferior abacus schmidt verify anabel sphinx judaism draco cuba > doorway shoehorn commandant debut sidewinder foregoing > > Jen > > Funny; I sent just this e-mail to JR Taylor earlier this evening. You object to "cuba"? .... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 23:09:01 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title Cardinal007 wrote:Cardinal007 wrote: > > You object to "cuba"? .... > > Actually, I don't object to any of those words or what they represent (although I can't recall if I've eaten salsify, so I suppose I might object to the taste). Apparently, my server doesn't object to any of them, since it didn't flag this as spam. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 23:19:40 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title >> This is the actual subject line for a Viagara spam I just received. >> >> bazaar hike covert bastard antagonism salsify wiggle pitchblende abate >> volley deoxyribonucleic conflagration powers bimini annie tailor >> inferior abacus schmidt verify anabel sphinx judaism draco cuba >> doorway shoehorn commandant debut sidewinder foregoing All those words are an attempt to defeat an anti-spam technology known as Bayesian filtering. Lists like that have been appearing in the body of spam for a while now. If the battle is now shifting to the subject field, that probably means the spammers are successfully neutralizing Bayesian filtering, which was the big new thing in the anti-spam world quite recently. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 23:08:45 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title On Sun, 02 May 2004 22:12:08 -0400, "Jenny Grover" said: > This is the actual subject line for a Via_g_ara spam I just received. Someone (not spammers) will be pleased to note that this received a 7.6 spam score on my end (I've deleted the subject line). Q to Dan: I read once what Bayesian filtering was about, but I've forgotten. It would seem, though, that spam filter could be built w/a rudimentary knowledge of English grammar and/or table of word frequency: that the string of words in Jenny's e-mail's subject line would never occur in any English sentence is what cues us human readers that it's spam. What's funny is that spammers' attempts to defeat unmediated filtering makes their e-mails *look* ever more like spam to humans; whereas an e-mail that would fool humans into thinking it might be legit (i.e., a plain English sales pitch) would probably get by most spam filters, so long as the nature and brand-name of the product were elided. np: The Caribbean _William of Orange_ (new EP on Home-Tapes - www.home-tapes.com) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 01:02:56 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] incredible subject title > Q to Dan: I read once what Bayesian filtering was about, but I've > forgotten. It's basically a statistical analysis of the likelihood of individual words appearing in spam and non-spam. Before those word lists became so popular, it used to be that words like "though" and "apparently" almost never appeared in spam. > It would seem, though, that spam filter could be built w/a > rudimentary knowledge of English grammar and/or table of word frequency: > that the string of words in Jenny's e-mail's subject line would never > occur in any English sentence is what cues us human readers that it's > spam. Yeah, I'll bet that's going to start happening. It's not easy to simulate the brain's spam-detection process, though. > whereas an > e-mail that would fool humans into thinking it might be legit (i.e., a > plain English sales pitch) would probably get by most spam filters, so > long as the nature and brand-name of the product were elided. That's actually the sort of thing that Bayesian filtering used to work well against. Words like "per" and "FL" were used to identify spam, not just hot words that a person might filter on their own. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] All the Ships at Sea - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > If like me, you live and work in studenty areas, you > might have also > overheard conversations that consist entirely of > high-volume iterations of > the phrases "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!" > "WWWWWHUT?????" and > OKAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!" This is also a > byproduct of obsessive > Chappelle's Show watching, referring to the > recurrent "A Moment in the Life > of Lil Jon" sketches. I swear, in the week after > this sketch first aired, > I heard like half a dozen different people doing > this around Allston. I've only heard that crap a few times (mostly in the few rock clubs I've been in since that aired) ... and I'm already completely sick of it. I never found it funny in the first place. > > Not that I have any room to talk, since Charity and > I both occasionally > burst into random chants of "Spaghetti! Spaghetti! > Spaghetti! Spaghetti!," > from another old Chappelle's Show sketch. It's a > very quotable show. He has certainly come a long way from the days when his entire routine revolved around marijuana. (HALF-BAKED anyone?) > S Phil F. Last Played: XTC - NONSUCH __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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To him, Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal was "socialism." - Yoshi Tsurumi, CUNY ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #121 *******************************