From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #85 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, March 24 2004 Volume 04 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] a very metallic corner ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Stroke-alikes, etc. ["Fortissimo" ] RE: [loud-fans] Miyazaki, Wave II ["Kelly O'Connor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Miyazaki, Wave II [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Stroke-alikes, etc. [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul ["Bradley S] Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul [Michael Zw] Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul [Mike Curle] [loud-fans] WA/OR venues? ["me" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:20:59 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] a very metallic corner Just witnessed one of the best Shalini shows I've ever seen this past Saturday night in Winston-Salem at the pre-release party for the new album METAL CORNER. I am still stunned at how good they sounded. Several new songs were debuted tonight as well since this was the first time the band has played since last summer. Shalini played almost half the set on their new Chandler 12-string bass http://www.12stringbass.net and they were using these Sound City amps that heightened that vintage late 70's AC/DC sound. Picked up a copy of the new album at the show too and have been listening to it ever since. This album rocks in a huge way. This is definitely the Led-Trick-DC incarnation of this band compliments of Angus and Malcomina as Shalini has jokingly referred to Mitch and herself. Mitch's playing is fierce. In another time, in another world there'd be talk of "Easter is God". The album contains a really great batch of songs, probably a stronger selection than WWJD which I really liked as well. There's little doubt on this album that the band is on a mission to make a guitar album. The production is no-nonsense and massive and Shalini's voice is as more emotive than I've ever heard it. The album contains one cover, an amazing crunching take on Cheap Trick's "Downed". The album ends with a Mitch penned tune called "I Wanna Be Near You" that sounds like a lost classic from a Nuggets compilation, particularly with a bit of borrowing from Led Zep's opening of "Immigrant Song". After seeing many of these songs live for the past 2-3 years I was wondering how well that AC/DC vibe would transfer to an actual recording, but it works great. Do yourself a favor, buy this album, put it on, set the volume to 11 and step back! Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:54:56 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a very metallic corner Larry Tucker on 3/23/2004 8:20:59 AM wrote: > Do yourself a favor, buy this album, put it on, set the volume to 11 and > step back! I agree with everything Larry says about METAL CORNER (and then some), but I'm sure you all already knew that. I'm not any kind of AC/DC fan, so those comparisons don't mean much to me, but the album does rock hard and it's catchy. One thing I'd like to add is that even though the CD isn't officially released for a few weeks yet, Parasol is currently selling it from their website, and it is in stock. I got my Parasol copy last week. http://www.parasol.com/catalog/newcart.asp?zoomtitle=67717 Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:08:02 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Stroke-alikes, etc. On Mar 22, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > Of course, once a media nibblet like that takes hold, there's no > dislodging it: first the Strokes were the greatest thing since money, > then they were the worst ripoff artists ever (exacerbated by the sin of > having connections and being from money - as if all that many musicians > in recent rock, particularly indie rock, come from poor families...). > The > hype made me suspicious, and the backlash made me curious. I like the > first album pretty well (and the EP versions are different, but I > haven't > decided if they're better) - what I've heard of the second makes me > think > it's pretty similar, so I'll probably pick it up someday but no huge > rush. There are far worse bands that could have been on the receiving end of all that hype. The fact is that the Strokes have written a handful of songs I'd rank among the catchiest of the last 5 or so years ("Hard To Explain", "Someday", "Last Nite", "12:51"), whether they got two thousand column inches or none. Sometimes I have to disengage from reading rock writing for a while -- there was a thread on I Love Music yesterday where people were going on and on about how bad the new N.E.R.D. album was, except that halfway down the page I realized that no one had actually presented a single _musical_ reason why it was bad -- it was all an extended polemic, from various angles, about Neptunes hype and stuff. Bleah. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:43:59 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Stroke-alikes, etc. On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:08:02 -0500, "Dave Walker" said: > Sometimes I have to disengage from reading > rock writing for a while -- there was a thread > on I Love Music yesterday where people were > going on and on about how bad the new > N.E.R.D. album was, except that halfway > down the page I realized that no one had > actually presented a single _musical_ reason > why it was bad -- it was all an extended > polemic, from various angles, about Neptunes > hype and stuff. Bleah. All I know is, I've heard only one track from it, but it contains the line "her ass is a spaceship that I wanna ride," which is gloriously rude but never fails to crack me up - so tentative endorsement here. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:21:24 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a very metallic corner Roger Winston on 3/23/2004 8:54:56 AM wrote: > One thing I'd like to add is that even though the CD isn't > officially released for a few weeks yet, Parasol is currently > selling it from their website, and it is in stock. I got my > Parasol copy last week. > http://www.parasol.com/catalog/newcart.asp?zoomtitle=67717 Amendment: Our old pals at 125 Records also have Shalini's METAL CORNER in stock early, and it's $2 cheaper than Parasol ($10 instead of $12): http://www.125records.com/shop.html Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:36:06 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul Bradley: >>The local modern rock station will probably play a bit of them, though--the new station >>manager has worked hardto integrate newer, hipper stuff into the previous "all rap >>metal all the time" playlists. Now you're likely to hear Ash, Strokes, White Stripes >>and even Postal Service-size bands along with Bizkit, etc. Postal Service has appeared on KROQ down south as well (wow, hell, here they are being played right now, since I started writing that sentence)... I think it's slightly related to pressure from the upstart Indie 103. I've barely heard that station but the PS seems to be one of their flagship acts, so KROQ picked them up (and one can certainly see their appeal to the Flashback Lunch crowd). I've only heard one solid set on 103 and it also included the Shins, whom I'd wager will *not* be a KROQ pickup any time soon... the other real breakout on KROQ right now is the Darkness, so there's that. However, the White Stripes/Strokes/Hives axis has been in rotation for quite some time... maybe the unifying factor is MTV presence? >>The Verlaines are a tough sell, toughest of the classic NZ bands maybe, but I think they're >>really brilliant--one of the great lost catalogs in pop. I'd throw the "toughest sell" honor to the Clean, just because their "classic" period is so archly lo-fi, and their later albums-- which I love just about equally-- are slightly discredited by some fans for being less skronky. The Verlaines feel a bit more like what normal indie-rock has evolved into, with maybe a slight nod back to rhythm-guitar heavy older stuff, Nugget-y things or even CCR, which I would guess might connect with anyone into the nuevo-garage scene. I love the Verlaines, too. Honestly, it seems like most folks who like that NZ scene like it all... so the real challenge is selecting a gateway band. Jeffrey: >>Okay, am I the only one here who hears hardly any VU in the Strokes, or >>hardly any Lou in the singer? >>Of course, once a media nibblet like that takes hold, there's no >>dislodging it: I can only speak for myself... I formed that impression based on hearing the Strokes without ever having heard a thing about them in the media. I heard Lou pretty strongly; the VU less so, but that VU thing is compounded by the fact that so many bands so strongly influenced by the VU have added this 'n' that to the basic "sound" that sometimes sounding like, say, the Jesus and Mary Chain, the Feelies, New Order, or Yo La Tengo bespeaks VU-ness more than the influence of those bands themselves... to me, anyhow. (For example, I actually thought maybe the first Strokes song I heard, "Is This It", might be Wake Oloo (sp?) or some other Feelies offshoot.) Bradley: >>Yeah, I don't hear this at all. Nor do I hear any Television (the other big >>initial comparison.) Really, none. I agree on this one completely. Not a shred of influence at all. I think the Strokes have admitted this, and to not even liking TV once they checked them out on the basis of the comparisons. Jeffrey: >>All this, incidentally, reminds me why I don't generally read the BRitish >>music press Waking up in the morning usually serves as reminder enough for me! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:43:15 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC, Star no Star On Mar 22, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Dan Sallitt wrote: > > ...I can finally contribute to the "surprising muzak" threads of the > > past: "Senses Working Overtime", sung by some chipper young thing, > > in a K-B Toystore, in suburban Cleveland. It got my attention, > > that's for sure. > > Rick Gagnon played this for me a while back: Mandy Moore did an album > of covers, and this was the leadoff song. The rest of the covers > weren't quite this esoteric, but the album seemed an attempt by Moore > to expose her audience to indie and classic rock. It's just been released as a "single" (what does that word mean, anymore?) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? playlistId=5296289 -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:55:11 -0500 From: "Kelly O'Connor" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Miyazaki, Wave II >Totoro, Nausicaa, and Porco Rosso deluxe sets due on August 31. > > > > > >- - Steve Steve, do you know anything about the English dubs on these? I particularly can't decide whether the lineup for Porco Rosso sounds fun or frightening. Kelly MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO The English-language version of this wonderful film includes the voice talents of Dakota Fanning (The Cat In The Hat) as Satsuki and Elle Fanning (Daddy Day Care) as Mei. NAUSICAD OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND The English language version of the film includes the voice talents of Alison Lohman (Matchstick Men) and Patrick Stewart (X-Men; Star Trek: The Next Generation). PORCO ROSSO The English language version of this high-flying adventure features the voice talents of Michael Keaton (Batman Returns), Brad Garrett (TVs Everybody Loves Raymond), Susan Egan (Spirited Away), Kimberly Williams (TVs According To Jim) and David Ogden Stiers (Lilo & Stitch). _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:28:39 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul Rex wrought: > Postal Service has appeared on KROQ down south as well (wow, hell, here they are being played right now, since I started writing that sentence)... I think it's slightly related to pressure from the upstart Indie 103. I've barely heard that station but the PS seems to be one of their flagship acts, so KROQ picked them up (and one can certainly see their appeal to the Flashback Lunch crowd). I've only heard one solid set on 103 and it also included the Shins, whom I'd wager will *not* be a KROQ pickup any time soon... the other real breakout on KROQ right now is the Darkness, so there's that. However, the White Stripes/Strokes/Hives axis has been in rotation for quite some time... maybe the unifying factor is MTV presence? Or maybe the unifying factor is Rodney Bingenheimer, who played all these bands on his Midnight-to-Three AM Sunday night KROQ show long before that station put them into rotation, who was playing "Clark Gable" from the Postal Service album nearly a year ago, and who has been playing Franz Ferdinand for the last several weeks. Many of the artists he plays later break into KROQ's playlist; the upcoming documentary on Rodney, "Mayor Of The Sunset Strip", could introduce him to people outside Los Angeles who have never heard his show. He's getting up there in years (he's been a fixture since the 60's) and his between-song patter is increasingly unfocused nowadays, but there's no denying the man has an ear for music. West ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:58:25 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Copyright Challenge There's an interesting case just filed that challenges that 1976 Copyright Act, which automatically and unconditionally grants copyright protection to all works, without having to specifically file for that protection, include copyright notices, etc. The purpose of the case is to free up "orphaned" works, those things that are no longer commercially viable to sell, but remain copyrighted by default, and thus for all intents and purposes, unavailable. So, maybe we'll be able to stop feeling guilty about all those GT copies we've all made over the years. More info here: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/cases/kahle_v_ashcroft.shtml#002043 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:40:57 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Miyazaki, Wave II >> Totoro, Nausicaa, and Porco Rosso deluxe sets due on August 31. >> >> On Mar 23, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Kelly O'Connor wrote: > Steve, do you know anything about the English dubs on these? I > particularly can't decide whether the lineup for Porco Rosso sounds > fun or frightening. All of the scripts are by the couple that did Spirited Away. I guess Disney will be doing all of the Ghibli films, but I'm not sure if they have acquired the rights to The Cat Returns. There seems to be some hang-up on Whisper Of The Heart with the rights to Country Roads, although it's not clear if it's the song itself or the performance. I'm waiting to see how Disney handles Pom Poko. Here's an interview. > MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO > The English-language version of this wonderful film includes the voice > talents of Dakota Fanning (The Cat In The Hat) as Satsuki and Elle > Fanning (Daddy Day Care) as Mei. The girl's dad would be the only other major character. > NAUSICAA OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND > The English language version of the film includes the voice talents of > Alison Lohman (Matchstick Men) and Patrick Stewart (X-Men; Star > Trek: The Next Generation). Nassicaa and Lord Yupa. Also Uma Thuman, Shia LaBeouf, Chris Sarandon, and Mark Hamill. > PORCO ROSSO > The English language version of this high-flying adventure features > the voice talents of Michael Keaton (Batman Returns), Brad Garrett > (TVs Everybody Loves Raymond), Susan Egan (Spirited Away), > Kimberly Williams (TVs According To Jim) and David Ogden Stiers > (Lilo & Stitch). Keaton is Marco/Porco. Egan is Gina. Williams is Fio. Speculation is that Garrett and Stiers play the boss Air Pirate and Fio's grandfather, one way or the other. I think Cary Elwes plays Curtis. This has shown in Austin and at a couple of children's festivals and the reaction has been good. If things are too bad, you can always watch in Japanese with subtitles. - - Steve __________ Take a look here at trailers for Steamboy (Otomo), God*Diva (Enki Bilal), CASSHERN, and a live action DevilMan movie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:41:44 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Stroke-alikes, etc. I guess these people weren't listening to the same disc I was, because this is definitely one of the most original major-label records I've heard in a while, despite the fact that two members of Good Charlotte (who represent everything wrong in music, IMO) appear on one of the tracks. "She Wants To Move" is an amazing single. Nothing on radio can touch that track! I've not seen a whole lot of 'hype' surrounding this record. No more than the new Vines record. I thought that IN PRAISE OF (also a great record) got more 'hype' upon its release. Mainly because of the 11th hour overhaul it got (taking out a lot of the samples and adding a rock band in it's place), but anyway... Phil F. - --- Dave Walker wrote: > Sometimes I have to disengage from reading > rock writing for a while -- there was a thread > on I Love Music yesterday where people were > going on and on about how bad the new > N.E.R.D. album was, except that halfway > down the page I realized that no one had > actually presented a single _musical_ reason > why it was bad -- it was all an extended > polemic, from various angles, about Neptunes > hype and stuff. Bleah. > > -d.w. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:55:13 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul > I'd throw the "toughest sell" honor to the Clean, just >because their "classic" period is so archly lo-fi, and their >later albums-- which I love just about equally-- are >slightly discredited by some fans for being less skronky. I'd argue that The Clean have a sound and image more in keeping with general indie rock tendencies and seem a natural for folks into Yo La Tengo or Pavement or someone like that. They seem to be the most popular NZ indie band and the only one that still has a sizable following in the states. >The Verlaines feel a bit more like what normal indie->rock has evolved into, with maybe a slight nod back to >rhythm-guitar heavy older stuff, Nugget-y things or even >CCR Gosh, I don't really hear that. I think the things that make the Verlaines "difficult" are the beautifully crafted, but rarely immediate, songs--the melodies are stunning, but they take a long time to sink in, usually. Most folks I know who like The Verlaines owned an album or two for a long time before it made much impression. Also, Graeme's voice can be an acquired taste on the earlier, Flying Nun-era stuff--"approximate pitch" I think they call it. The Verlaines, even the really early Clean-esque stuff, don't have the same kind of home spun simplicity as some of the other bands of the time, nor the noisy artiness--you might even say they're the Game Theory of NZ pop! I'd recommend Bird Dog from the Flying Nun years and Way Out Where from the later, guitar rock years (WOW is a real bargain bin staple.) If you can get ahold of the new(ish) compilation from NZ that'd be ideal, and the NZ only album, Over the Moon, is an absolute lost masterpiece. All the albums are great, though. > Honestly, it seems like most folks who like that NZ > scene like it all... so the real challenge is selecting a > gateway band. Yeah, i'm a NZ pop fan all the way. I think The Chills are the best gateway band--the cute, simple charm as well as the songwriting chops and smarts. After the Verlaines, I think the Sneaky Feelings might be the most overlooked from the classic era--stunning songwriters. > >>All this, incidentally, reminds me why I don't >generally read the BRitish > >>music press > > Waking up in the morning usually serves as reminder >enough for me! Ha! Yeah, the bitchiness, trendiness and backstabbing dismissiveness of the british press is frustrating, but I tend to like their music mags best simply because they actually express some enthusiasm and musical knowledge--so much of the music writing in the U.S. is cynical and shallow. I feel like people over here have read way too much Lester Bangs and are more interested in sculpting some kind of persona than trying to illuminate something about music. Or even just tell a good story. The British do seem way too in love with the "rock'n'roll lifestyle", though--if you do lots of drugs and act like a moron you're automatically earning points at NME. That said, I go to nme.com daily and have probably bought more new, unheard music based on British press recommendations than anything else. What are the best U.S. music publications? B - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:21:51 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:55 PM, Bradley Skaught wrote: > I think the things that make the Verlaines > "difficult" are the beautifully crafted, but rarely immediate, > songs--the > melodies are stunning, but they take a long time to sink in, usually. > Most > folks I know who like The Verlaines owned an album or two for a long > time > before it made much impression. Also, Graeme's voice can be an acquired > taste on the earlier, Flying Nun-era stuff--"approximate pitch" I > think they > call it. The Verlaines, even the really early Clean-esque stuff, don't > have > the same kind of home spun simplicity as some of the other bands of the > time, nor the noisy artiness--you might even say they're the Game > Theory of > NZ pop! Interesting analysis. I have owned a couple Verlaines records at various times and even saw them in Dunedin once, but they never really sunk deeply in ("Gloom Junky" the track I played/put on mix tapes most, and of course the FN compilation staples like "Pyromaniac"). I would really be interested in this NZ-only best-of, will have to check Smoke CDs (www.smokecds.com) Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:37:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Namechecked Herein: All Verlaines except Paul My vote for the most overlooked NZ band is the Able Tasmans. In many ways they were the quintessential Flying Nun band. They started out with engaging lo-fi pop gems (like Sour Queen) and moved on to writing beautiful, complex, highly polished little masterpieces. I probably play their stuff more than any of the others from NZ. Mike Bradley Skaught wrote: I think the Sneaky Feelings might be the most overlooked from the classic era Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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(can anyone say 'marketing dream?') at any rate, if you have a favorite local watering hole or venue that you think might have a night open, please let me know. i'll pass their name/info to my friend. - -- An attitude of permanent indignation signifies great mental poverty. Politics compels its votaries to take that line and you see their minds growing more and more impoverished every day, from one burst of righteous anger to the next. Paul Valery, Tel Quel ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #85 ******************************