From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #75 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, March 13 2004 Volume 04 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Get me to the Church on time... [dmw ] [loud-fans] Good Church, Bad Church ["Rex.Broome" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Get me to the Church on time... On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Bradley Skaught wrote: > My favorite cover of "It's All Too Much" is the House of Love > version--beautifully done! Bettter than Journey's? Shirley, you jest! Cappuciao, - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:34:56 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Good Church, Bad Church Miles: >>"You Took" was the final song of the '88 show I saw. Opening act Verlaine >>came out on electric to create a three-guitar din. THANK YOU. My buddy Charlie saw that tour, and recalled Verlaine joining them, but can never remember what song he played on. Might need to go looking for some tapes of that there shit. >>Whereas I have trouble remembering anything off the Jack Frost album, but >>know most of SOMETIME ANYWHERE by heart. Was it the dronier stuff that left you cold on the JF record, or did you find the pop songs subpar? If it was the latter, I'll have to modify my off-list Go-Betweens recommendation to you. "Didn't Know Where I Was" and "Thought That I Was Over You" are big favorites of mine... admittedly I fell in love with the former on French radio and wasn't sure who it was for another year or so... the singer kept morphing from Kilbey-sounding to somebody-else-sounding, and I knew it wasn't the Church, so... whah? But hey, it had a Satisfaction beat and contained the line "By the time we reached Wisconsin it was looking just like birth/A damaged doomed Charles Bronson stumblin' on this earth"... and you could hear it on French radio. Nifty. Might could go back and revisit Sometime Anywhere. Last time I did was to mine for tracks for a compilation of post-fame Church tunes for a friend who'd been a huge fan but lost track of them, so there was a lot of "two minutes into the seven minute track and nothing doing yet... next...", which is not a fair shake. I don't even have "Magician Among the Spirits" because I never see the expanded version in the used bins and I'm leary of ordering it from a used outlet online because Broome's Law will see me getting the shipped the original. Otherwise I have everything they've ever done except the *double ambient remix album*, which reconfigures an album I found pretty damn ambient (in the not-so-good-good-sonic-wallpaper-sense) to begin with. Damn Church... always getting unexpectedly good again, leaving me suddenly with a collection that's so close to complete that I feel obliged to fill in the crap gaps... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:04:18 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good Church, Bad Church Rex.Broome wrote: > Otherwise I have everything they've ever done except the *double ambient remix album*, which reconfigures an album I found pretty damn ambient (in the not-so-good-good-sonic-wallpaper-sense) to begin with. > Actually, I find the remixes a bit less ambient than some of the originals. I really like the remix album (and the originals), but considering that Sianspheric is one of my favorite bands, I guess ambient isn't a problem for me. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:14:07 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. http://www.shockdenialangeracceptance.com/listen3.htm If you don't already know who it is, see if you can listen without letting Windows Media Player tell you the artist. My particular track-recommendations are "Will I?", "Wasted", "Angels of the Disappeared" and "Your Psychopathic Mother". glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:31:38 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. At 05:14 PM 3/12/2004 -0500, glenn mcdonald wrote: >http://www.shockdenialangeracceptance.com/listen3.htm > >If you don't already know who it is, see if you can listen without >letting Windows Media Player tell you the artist. Was I supposed to swoon for these songs just because I didn't know who the artist was? What I found myself thinking after listening to the four songs you cited was "this sounds like some standard-issue **** *********** crap," and lo and behold, when I finally did look at the "artist" field, I was right. So I'm ruling prejudice out, or at least the "I hate it just because it's by this artist" variety. :-) later, Miles, who would cite the three or four songs he does like by the mystery artist, but that would be giving it away ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:30:16 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. Egads. Never would have guessed that in a million years. I am not sure whether I like it or not just yet, but I am impressed none the less. R. Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of glenn mcdonald Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:14 PM To: LoudFans Subject: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. http://www.shockdenialangeracceptance.com/listen3.htm If you don't already know who it is, see if you can listen without letting Windows Media Player tell you the artist. My particular track-recommendations are "Will I?", "Wasted", "Angels of the Disappeared" and "Your Psychopathic Mother". glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:54:13 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Good Church, Bad Church, you know I've had my share At 09:34 AM 3/12/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Miles: >>>"You Took" was the final song of the '88 show I saw. Opening act Verlaine >>>came out on electric to create a three-guitar din. > >THANK YOU. My buddy Charlie saw that tour, and recalled Verlaine joining >them, but can never remember what song he played on. Might need to go >looking for some tapes of that there shit. If you find one, I'll take a copy. That show was also notable for the longest pause I've ever seen between sets at a club show - 90 minutes between the time Tom Verlaine left the stage and when Kilbey/Willson-Piper/Koppes/Ploog appeared. This was made even more egregious by the fact that Verlaine had played a barely-audible-above-the-talkers acoustic set which required next to nothing in the way of breaking down. The club was packed and was just a *miserable* place to be, so we were very, very unhappy by the time the Church came out. >>>Whereas I have trouble remembering anything off the Jack Frost album, but >>>know most of SOMETIME ANYWHERE by heart. > >Was it the dronier stuff that left you cold on the JF record, or did you >find the pop songs subpar? If it was the latter, I'll have to modify my >off-list Go-Betweens recommendation to you. I'll try to remember to get it out and play it a couple of times this weekend so I can answer that. When I say "have trouble remembering anything" about it, I'm serious! All I can offer right now is just that - it slid in one ear and out the other. >Might could go back and revisit Sometime Anywhere. Well, before you do, note that no one has come rushing to my defense on liking it, so maybe it's not worth your time. If you do revisit, my highlights are the opening run of "Day of the Dead," "Lost My Touch," "Loveblind," and "My Little Problem," along with "Eastern" and "Two Places at Once." All of these to me are memorable, authoritative songs, as though Kilbey and Willson-Piper could hear the "they're down to the two of them, heh!" scoffing and dug deep for some committed material. "Business Woman" is the closest thing to older, poppier Church, as well as the only track that's vaguely single-length, but the pretty riff and melody is wedded to one of Kilbey's worst lyrics -- often the Church's music is so good that you can just listen the other way, so to speak, but not on this one. The bonus disc, SOMEWHERE ELSE, is really good too - "Drought" has Koppes and Ploog on the writing credit and thus predates SA, and if I homebrewed a single-disc Church best-of, I'd strongly consider including it, though I might go with an equally badassed P=A song instead. "Cut in Two" is another one from that disc that sticks with me. >Damn Church... always getting unexpectedly good again, leaving me suddenly >with a collection that's so close to complete that I feel obliged to fill >in the crap gaps... Rex, we owe it to all U.S. Church fans to buy those few we don't have (I don't have that double-disc expansion or the almost-immediately remastered & expanded MAGICIAN AMONG THE SPIRITS either, nor do I have HINDSIGHT or the overseas reissues of the early stuff). Because the moment we get everything, there'll be domestic deluxe reissues of it all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:11:29 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. glenn mcdonald wrote: > http://www.shockdenialangeracceptance.com/listen3.htm > > If you don't already know who it is, see if you can listen without > letting Windows Media Player tell you the artist. > > My particular track-recommendations are "Will I?", "Wasted", "Angels > of the Disappeared" and "Your Psychopathic Mother". > Recommended for what? I thought those were among the worst ones. I heard maybe 3 songs that I thought (despite the woeful lyrics), "If I heard this on Clear Channel I might not turn it off." That was based on tune, not on production or arrangement, because those I find a bit grating. I don't think knowing who it was ahead of time would have prejudiced me one way or the other, since it's someone I never paid much attention to in the first place. Is this new, or is it from the decade it's firmly entrenched in sound-wise? If it came out anytime within the past, oh, 17 years, it's a sad commentary. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:53:46 +0000 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] re: Good Church, Bad Church, you know I've had my share Miles: >>Since no one has rushed to my defense for liking _Sometime Anywhere_, >>maybe it's not worth the effort>> Oops! My bad. _Sometime Anywhere_ is my favorite Church album, with only _Heyday_ as serious competition. I'm not sure my endorsement is the most helpful, since i'm only modestly fond of the Church generally; it's a bit of an outlier in their catalog. But the Church are one of my Mom's favorite bands, and she agrees with me on this. "Lullaby" and "Two Places at Once" are beautiful, and i'm not sure i'd recommend Miles's choices ahead of them, but it's all excellent. cheers, - - Brian _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:45:40 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good Church, Bad Church, you know I've had my share Miles Goosens wrote: >Well, before you do, note that no one has come rushing to my defense on liking it, so maybe it's not worth your time. > I like it a lot. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:48:51 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:14:07 -0500, "glenn mcdonald" said: > http://www.shockdenialangeracceptance.com/listen3.htm > > If you don't already know who it is, see if you can listen without > letting Windows Media Player tell you the artist. It sounded vaguely familiar - but I couldn't place the artist. Then, I only know one of his songs. Pretty generic to me - nothing horrendous, nothing special. But Jenny: how can you say anything about the production when the songs are presented in glorious two-tincans-connected-by-a-string Windows Media sound? Or maybe it's *supposed* to sound as if you're underwater. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:30:23 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Listen-Without-Prejudice Dept. Fortissimo wrote: >But Jenny: >how can you say anything about the production when the songs are >presented in glorious two-tincans-connected-by-a-string Windows Media >sound? > LOL! I know what you mean, but I could hear well enough to tell that it had a slick, arena vibe. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #75 ******************************