From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #65 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 04 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] long distance runaround [dmw ] [loud-fans] Here comes the flood ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review! ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Vanderslice [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up ["Bradley Skaught" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up Drove 1100 miles total to see one of The Pursuit Of Happiness reunion shows in Cambridge, Ontario in 2002. Totally spur-of-the-moment (I told virtually no one until I came back.. very unlike me in my circles), thankfully the whole trip only cost me about $250 US.. including hotel, gas, food, and everything. The only bad side was that I had to be back in the Boston area less than 48 hours after I left. 10 hour drives each way (including breaks)..not easy. While I'm glad I did it, I don't think I'd do that again... not without staying there a few days at least. Phil F. NP: Pat Benatar "Headline Act" on VH1 Classic - --- Gil Ray wrote: > Maybe this will be a fun topic: what is the > furthest > distance you have ever travelled to see a band? > > I guess 2 come to mind for me. Drove 6 hours to D.C > from Charlotte to see Utopia (not my idea, but not a > bad time, except Ambrosia opened) > > Also drove to Atlanta from Charlotte (5 hrs) to see > 4 > shows. Costello and Squeeze, B-52's and Pylon, > Pretenders, and Talking Heads. > > Gil > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] long distance runaround On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Gil might remember that I also flew across the continent to see the Loud > Family a few times on the east coast, and don't remember having any i did it the other way round -- was that just once? twice? ...i came up with other west coast activities though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:51:26 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Here comes the flood Miles & Jen: >>>If only He'd stopped at Cincy with the flood business! Instead, He decided to >>>destroy McDowell and Wyoming Counties... >>He floods around us on a regular basis, too. I'm glad we're halfway up >>a hill, otherwise, I'd have an ark ready and waiting. Takes me back to 1985, guys. One good thing about the flooding is that there's no shortage of high ground. One better thing is that me and my folks lived on one of them that hills, and the landscaping included a pond with the requisite built-in run-off features. But it was bad news for anyone over by the crick... Jen: >>I admire them, too, for standing up against the >>grunge-recruiting major label jerks who told them, "We'll sign you if >>you get rid of the fat guys." I remember reading more than one article which compared their guitarist to D. Boon. Not based on playing or writing style or anything... just based on fatness. That's gotta burn. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:16:35 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] slopes, slippery On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:46:02 -0700 (MST), "Dennis" said: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Tim Walters wrote: > > > I believe that any group of informed, consenting adults should be able > > to marry if they wish.* But it happens that gay couples' marriage is > > the issue at hand, and I don't see any reason not to do the right > > thing, nor to stipulate that we do it for some other reason than > > because it is right, even if some other right things are not yet > > possible to do. > > I wonder how many people in polygamous relationships did not enter into > them as "consenting adults"? This is one reason people in favor of multi-party relationships coined the term "polyamory": "polygamy" is traditionally an oinksome reserve of male dominance. Gotta go and return this brochure to the feminist bookstore... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:20:41 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:52:36 -0800, "Bradley Skaught" said: > I forgot to mention that Jenny, and most other loud-fans, should be > making a > point to see John Vanderslice on his current tour. > > Tour dates at: www.johnvanderslice.com I really wish he were opening for the Wrens here in the Midwest as he is on the West Coast - I'm seeing that band in Mpls. in a few weeks, but the opening bands are (as far as I know) No One In Particular and Who the Hell Is That? Also: glad to see people going for Vanderslice on the heels of Bradley's proselytizing - I remember a few years back praising him after his first solo album, and getting a huge "eh?" in return. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:25:46 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review! On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:33:09 -0000, "RichardBlatherwick" said: > > Bradley Skaught then Jenny Grover> > > > >18.Wrens Faster Gun > > >I really enjoy this song, but when I went to check out the album I didn't > like > > >it. I'd say, give it time. It was definitely a grower for me. I'd heard demo versions of several tracks, and initially the released versions paled in comparison for me. But I think they were going for a particular resigned, depressed mood on the album, and I think those versions actually work better as part of that whole. I like it a whole lot better now than I did at first. > What's up with that ridiculously boring album cover? Uh, I could say it's trying to mirror that gray, depressed mood...but, uh, man, it's just a lame-ass cover. np: Manitoba _Up in Flames_ - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:52:52 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up At 02:20 PM 3/2/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >Also: glad to see people going for Vanderslice on the heels of Bradley's >proselytizing - I remember a few years back praising him after his first >solo album, and getting a huge "eh?" in return. The crucial thing for me was getting a Vanderslice track or two from you via various mix CD-Rs. So, all props to you, at least in my case. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:00:53 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fortissimo" To: "where they sleep better knowing stuff" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up > On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:52:36 -0800, "Bradley Skaught" > said: > > I forgot to mention that Jenny, and most other loud-fans, should be > > making a > > point to see John Vanderslice on his current tour. > > > > Tour dates at: www.johnvanderslice.com Which I did, just last night, opening for Pedro the Lion (in fact, given the absurd scheduling at Berbati's Pan, I saw all of Vanderslice but only about half of Pedro, since it was already about 12:30 am when I left...) I thought Vanderslice was pretty good, having not heard any of his songs previously I couldn't be entirely sure, but I liked what I heard. Rather Ted Leo-ish, at least in concert -- but I could be saying that since I don't know either artist well. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:35:19 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up At 02:52 PM 3/2/2004 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >At 02:20 PM 3/2/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >>Also: glad to see people going for Vanderslice on the heels of Bradley's >>proselytizing - I remember a few years back praising him after his first >>solo album, and getting a huge "eh?" in return. > >The crucial thing for me was getting a Vanderslice track or two from >you via various mix CD-Rs. So, all props to you, at least in my case. I'm going to have to re-examine John Vanderslice, it seems. My response to my only exposure to his stuff, a review copy of TIME TRAVEL IS LONELY, was a decisive "What an utter crock of shit." I found it unbearably coy and precious. Is his later stuff any different? S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:07:39 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vanderslice Bradley Skaught wrote: > > I forgot to mention that Jenny, and most other loud-fans, should be making a > point to see John Vanderslice on his current tour. I can't promise you'll like > his records, but his live performances are unbeatable. The songwriting really > cuts through more live--fantastically catchy and smart. > Tour dates at: www.johnvanderslice.com There's also has a Vanderslice live set up at Emusic.com, recorded last October at the Cat's Cradle in North Carolina. I saw him on that tour (opening for Beulah) and this gives a good picture of his live performances for those not fortunate enough to live in places like Anacortes, WA (where he's playing tomorrow night). - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:05:29 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Stewart Mason wrote: > I'm going to have to re-examine John Vanderslice, it seems. My response > to my only exposure to his stuff, a review copy of TIME TRAVEL IS > LONELY, was a decisive "What an utter crock of shit." I found it > unbearably coy and precious. Is his later stuff any different? I've never found him precious, but I also find both old and new Vanderslice pretty dull. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:26:19 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up > Is his later stuff any different? I found the first two kind of dull and leaning a bit too hard on the precious aspects. Life and Death of an American Four-tracker is another conecpt album, but the hooks are tighter and it packs more of a wallop--more sonically and structurally diverse. The new one is more of a songs record. He's still writing more story songs (most of the new ones seem to be about movies) than straight up pop songs, but it's not as heavily conceptualized as the last two. There's something kind of folk-y about his songwriting--something that reminds me a bit of late 60's/early 70's British folk as it was warping into progressive music. Maybe even the Strawbs or something, but with a modern indie rock slant. That might be where you're finding coyness and preciousness. I don't have that reaction, but it doesn't surprise me that someone might. I'd give the latest one a shot, though. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:58:49 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Mix follow up At 11:26 PM 3/2/2004 -0800, Bradley Skaught wrote: >There's something kind of folk-y about his songwriting--something that >reminds me a bit of late 60's/early 70's British folk as it was warping into >progressive music. Maybe even the Strawbs or something, but with a modern >indie rock slant. That might be where you're finding coyness and >preciousness. Honestly, if I found more of a British folk feel to his music, I'd be far more inclined to like it! As I recall, what got on my nerves about TIME TRAVEL IS LONELY was something of a sense that unlike many artists I love who work the same basic stylistic side of the street -- Chris Knox, say, or the Mountain Goats -- I got the sense that Vanderslice could very easily make his songs *sound* better than they did, that the homemade four-track aspect of his music wasn't by necessity or even a deliberate stylistic choice, but more like he thought, "Hey, I'll have more indie cred if I dirty these up some!" S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #65 ******************************