From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #49 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 17 2004 Volume 04 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: (Fwd) Re: [loud-fans] DANGER!!!!! LF Content!!!!! [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Drugs at the Symphony ["Michael Wells" ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dogs at the Symphony ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating/SEO [Chris Murtland ] Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating [Gil Ray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [loud-fans] DANGER!!!!! LF Content!!!!! On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Paul King wrote: > > rest of the DVD on a first date. Use it as a weeding out test. > > > > Jen > > Yeah. Good point. i once knew a guy who thought that a diamanda galas show made a good first date, and i once knew a gal who, on a first date, had been subjected to a tad show by a guy in bondage gear. i strongly suspect (though i don't know for a fact) that both these gents are currently still, as they say, "available" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:01:46 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [loud-fans] DANGER!!!!! LF Content!!!!! In a message dated 2/16/04 10:20:35 AM, dmw@radix.net writes: > i once knew a guy who thought that a diamanda galas show made a > good first date, and i once knew a gal who, on a first date, had > been subjected to a tad show by a guy in bondage gear. > A Diamanda Galas show can make for a very good first date. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Postal Parkway etc. On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > leadoff track "Slow" is a great single that hearkens back to the spare > electric funk of the '80s, and the next two songs are good too, but the > rest doesn't seem up to snuff. But on the other hand, when I spun the > U.S. CD last night, I enjoyed the whole thing more than I had before, so > maybe it's growing on me. Whether I start to like it more on further listens or not, the beginning of the new Kylie struck me as different from the rest, and better. By halfway through the album it had a lot of elements of generic current dance-pop; my roommate thought it was Britney. Not a great sign. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:16:03 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. > And while it's nice that Stewart is in such a hurry to feel > persecuted, man, I'm pretty sure that most Christians who believe in > Marriage For Propogation are still willing to let couples marry if > medical reasons keep them from having children...especially if said > medical condition likely has something to do with a spouse being > three decades past her childbearing years, making the wedding itself > an act worthy of the bride's Christian name. > > (Don't let me hear any whining from you bitches, either. I'm not the > one talking about beating people up over their religious beliefs.) This is not tit for tat. Stewart talked idly about beating someone up; you administered the beating, rather sadistically. I sympathize with your frustration about our subculture's rather comfortable assumptions of political solidarity. But you tend to retaliate with way too much cruelty. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:55:05 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. In a message dated 2/16/04 11:26:38 AM, sallitt@post.harvard.edu writes: > This is not tit for tat. Stewart talked idly about beating someone up; > you administered the beating, rather sadistically. > Yeah, words are violent. They should be banned...especially when pointing out a dopey facade of oppression during a good two-minute hate. To avoid this happening in the future, I *will* stomp my ass. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:06:16 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. > Yeah, words are violent. They should be banned...especially when pointing out > a dopey facade of oppression during a good two-minute hate. To avoid this > happening in the future, I *will* stomp my ass. You tried your best to hurt two people with those words, and you probably succeeded, because you're good at it. There was no need for that: it didn't help your cause, it didn't reduce the sum total of dopeyness. You just added to the pain in the world, that's all. I'm not trying to dismiss you or anything, but maybe you don't understand that political opinions are not the issue here. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:31:08 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. In a message dated 2/16/04 12:21:40 PM, sallitt@post.harvard.edu writes: > You tried your best to hurt two people with those words, and you > probably succeeded, because you're good at it. There was no need for > that: it didn't help your cause, it didn't reduce the sum total of > dopeyness. > Holy Christ, don't people send anything off-list around here? Not that I'm soliciting new cyberstalkers, but there's no need to dwell on some things. Anyway, Stewart's been off the mercy list ever since he sent me an e-mail back in '98 announcing that he was looking into my sex life...a threat which I found memorable because I read it while in the midst of writing an embarrassing column about my sex life. In fact, it was written the morning after a really good first date which included a Diamanda Galas concert. See how this all comes together? Gee, I wonder what Stewart was saying about Ken Starr back in '98. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:48:33 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. Funny, my memory of the only event even remotely similar to this is that JRT sent me a couple of unsolicited offlist emails ABOUT his sex life, a topic I had absolutely no interest in then or now. Trust me, Dan: no one was hurt by JRT's rant, although there was some puzzlement over why he thinks women's childbearing years end at age 18. Regardless, I do agree with him on one thing: this topic is really boring, and if anyone has anything to say about it, send it to JRT privately, don't waste everyone else's time with it. At 12:31 PM 2/16/2004 EST, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >Anyway, Stewart's been off the mercy list ever since he sent me an e-mail back >in >'98 announcing that he was looking into my sex life...a threat which I found >memorable because I read it while in the midst of writing an embarrassing >column >about my sex life. In fact, it was written the morning after a really good >first date which included a Diamanda Galas concert. See how this all comes >together? > >Gee, I wonder what Stewart was saying about Ken Starr back in '98. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:01:48 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > about my sex life. In fact, it was written the morning after a really good > first date which included a Diamanda Galas concert. See how this all comes > together? For the record, i certainly wasn't talking about you. As far as I know (since you mentioned it on this list) you're married and not, by the definition i use, "available." (If you use another definition, that's your perogative.) I'm not sure how I would be supposed to know you'd ever even seen a Diamanda Galas performance, let alone on a first date. If i could remember the name of the guy I was referring to, i'd post it, but it was a long time ago (well before "Plague Mass," i think) and I can't. I never knew the name of the Tad/bondage fan at all, and the woman in question could well have made it up. What I was trying to suggest, albeit obliquely, was that in general, I don't think going to a concert is a good first date if the artist isn't one that both parties have some familiarity with, especially if it's something that may not be particularly accessible. I think a concert DVD suffers from those issues as a potential first-date experience, as well as others. That's all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:24:26 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. In a message dated 2/16/04 1:08:39 PM, dmw@radix.net writes of Dates with Diamanda: > For the record, i certainly wasn't talking about you. As far as I > know (since you mentioned it on this list) you're married and not, > by the definition i use, "available." > I didn't think that you were bringing me up in conversation. I was simply referencing the overlying net of coincidence. And nobody would know I was married if it hadn't been for that damn Dana guy making a class announcement. As far as he/he said: I've been telling that story since May of '98, and some people on this List were forwarded Stewart's original e-mail to me. I'm certainly not going to worry about defending that truth now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:41:41 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Marriage, redefined. dmw wrote: >What I was trying to suggest, albeit obliquely, was that in >general, I don't think going to a concert is a good first date if >the artist isn't one that both parties have some familiarity with, >especially if it's something that may not be particularly >accessible. > > > Actually, it can be quite a lot of fun if neither party is familiar with the band, even if the band turns out to be not particularly accessible, or even just plain bad. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:50:14 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating Jenny Grover wrote: > Actually, it can be quite a lot of fun if neither party is familiar with > the band, even if the band turns out to be not particularly accessible, > or even just plain bad. Oh, I don't know. Back in high school, on what was really my first date ever, I took a girl to see the Young Fresh Fellows, which was fine. But neither of us knew the opening band, The Ride-Me Babes, who performed topless. (Well, they started out with electrical tape over their nipples, but that quickly fell off). Everyone's first real date is uncomfortable, but it sure didn't need to be *that* uncomfortable. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:53:12 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand 1. Why so many Christians think they own the monopoly on marriage. 2. Why we're still talking about Fountains of Wayne and ignoring Bleu, whose REDHEAD (and not WELCOME INTERSTATE MANAGERS) was clearly 2003's power-pop masterpiece. 3. Why I've never heard (or just missed) any mention of Saddle Creek band Now It's Overhead, whose new album FALL BACK OPEN I'm giving a rather impressed first listen to right now, on-list. I would definitely appreciate any clarification on any of the above. Jer Protect your right to breathe clean, smoke-free air: http://www.care2.com/go/z/11238/1043 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:25:37 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:53:12 -0500, "jer fairall" said: > 1. Why so many Christians think they own the monopoly on marriage. Sorry - I left my ten-foot pole at home. (Yes, I know.) > 2. Why we're still talking about Fountains of Wayne and ignoring > Bleu, whose REDHEAD (and not WELCOME INTERSTATE MANAGERS) was > clearly 2003's power-pop masterpiece. Say more... > 3. Why I've never heard (or just missed) any mention of Saddle > Creek band Now It's Overhead, whose new album FALL BACK OPEN I'm > giving a rather impressed first listen to right now, on-list. I haven't heard this album, but I heard one of theirs from about two years ago which I liked pretty well. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:29:31 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:50:14 -0800, "Michael Mitton" said: > Oh, I don't know. Back in high school, on what was really my first date > ever, I took a girl to see the Young Fresh Fellows, which was fine. But > neither of us knew the opening band, The Ride-Me Babes, who performed > topless. (Well, they started out with electrical tape over their > nipples, but that quickly fell off). Everyone's first real date is > uncomfortable, but it sure didn't need to be *that* uncomfortable. You do see, of course, the potential there...with the right date, anyway? So the name of the band didn't tip you off at all? I imagine finding out some info about the opening act might have been helpful here: "Oh, who's this 'G.G. Allin' guy?" - speaking of potential first-date disasters. (I notice no one's commemorating any anniversaries in regard to his passing...wonder why?) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:17:26 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand In a message dated 2/16/04 5:06:45 PM, cryptosicko@care2.com writes: > 1. Why so many Christians think they own the monopoly on marriage. > Yeah, why can't they be like those tolerant Jews and Muslims? I'd include atheists, too, but the three who've brought up the topic to me are all against gay marriage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:26:47 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating Fortissimo wrote: >So the name of the band didn't tip you off at all? I imagine finding out >some info about the opening act might have been helpful here: "Oh, who's >this 'G.G. Allin' guy?" - speaking of potential first-date disasters. (I >notice no one's commemorating any anniversaries in regard to his >passing...wonder why?) > > A friend of mine had a band called Stunt Muff. I always wanted to make it rhyme even more, even though it would then go beyond the bounds of words I can actually say. Her previous band was Baptist Slut. She was a philosophy professor and has since disappeared into rehab or something (it was all, you know, so hush-hush). Before she left, I went to her house to get a book on Nietzsche that she had edited. She lived in the dark and had creepy friends who sat around in the dark with her. I made my exit quickly and there were no farewell kisses. GG Allin seems to be one guy who could offend anyone, regardless of their sensibilities. Didn't he get killed in prison or something? Almost none of my first dates involved music, although I did "make a friend" at a show once by offering her a piece of gum. And I once met a German girl (she was smoking in an alley) who was a sort of Elvis impersonator, or at least had a very rockabilly sense of fashion, which I guess could count for a musical connection. It's true, girls can fake having sideburns. Apparently, rockabilly was very big in Deutschland at the time. My first date with my wife was to an opera; she played the cello in the orchestra and I tried not to go to sleep amidst all the stuffy, well-to-do patrons of the fine arts. I think I got some points for my wakefulness. - - the illegitimate son of Walter Disney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:37:28 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand I'm pretty fond of the Utah Mormons' setup. The point will be moot before too long, as marriage will become an outdated word, to be replaced by "extended social living arrangement." Who cares? Of course, I don't believe in legislating much of anything beyond public safety. I don't like words getting replaced by phrases, though. yikes, it's gone from Buffet to politics. At this rate, I'll soon start talking about my personal feelings and become earnest. Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before. Hmm, quoting the Smiths is even worse than talking about politics. - - ernst, dali and de chirico JRT456@aol.com wrote: >>1. Why so many Christians think they own the monopoly on marriage. >> >> >> > >Yeah, why can't they be like those tolerant Jews and Muslims? I'd include >atheists, too, but the three who've brought up the topic to me are all against >gay marriage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:21:31 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:26:47 -0500, "Chris Murtland" said: > Almost none of my first dates involved music, although I did "make a > friend" at a show once by offering her a piece of gum. "Made a friend," eh? > My first date with my wife was to an opera; she played the cello in the > orchestra and I tried not to go to sleep amidst all the stuffy, > well-to-do patrons of the fine arts. I think I got some points for my > wakefulness. I make it a point to wear jeans and t-shirt or the equivalent whenever I go to the symphony - I completely hate the notion that their music is only for the wealthy and people who rhyme "dance" with "ponce." (Unless they're British) The amusing thing, though, is that there are probably relatively poor symphony fans who feel compelled to dress up so as to fit in...just as I know for a fact there are lots of indie rockers & their fans who dress like they work in a garage but have trust funds. (And plenty who don't, mind you...) I remember one joker in a local band, around the time Nirvana brought back the stupid guitar-smashing stunt (I mean, at least Pete had the decency to *steal* the guitars he wrecked), thinking it'd be cool to wreck his guitar. I saw him do this a couple of times - and it pissed me off, because I know that myself and many other audience members couldn't afford a goddamned electric guitar and here's this moron obliviously smashing one to bits. Trust fund idiot, for sure. (BTW: I wouldn't mind the TF folks if they acted normal - and many of them do. But the whole rock'n'roll taboo against admitting that you come from money is really stupid and self-destructive - thank you, Stephin Merritt, for at least owning up to it.) But hey - when you're talking about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out. In? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:32:40 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Things I Don't Understand jer fairall wrote: > 2. Why we're still talking about Fountains of Wayne and ignoring > Bleu, whose REDHEAD (and not WELCOME INTERSTATE MANAGERS) was > clearly 2003's power-pop masterpiece. I like the Bleu album, but it's a completely different album than WELCOME INTERSTATE MANAGERS, so I don't understand the rhetorical "why are we wasting out time with Album X when Album Y is clearly so much better!" argument. Music isn't a zero-sum game. There's room enough in my collection for both albums! Also didn't REDHEAD originally come out in 2002? :) - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:56:54 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating Fortissimo wrote: >"Made a friend," eh? > > > Yes, and she was given the nickname "Tooth" by one of my friends due to her dentition. I was scared away when she told me she had used heroin. I was sort of this rough, rock, Paul Westerberg-type guy at the time, in my own mind. But it was only in my own mind. When faced with anything really rough, I always scoot. No offense to any smackheads out there. For some reason, I'm all for stories about "making friends," so I hope to hear the weirdest tales you guys can cough up. Let's leave "making friends" as vague as possible. As far as I'm concerned, it includes everything from flirtation to torrid affairs in Brazil to furtive groping in the boiler room. I'm personally partial to any story involving bubbles, but that's just me. Bubbles are sexy little soapy spheres that float through the air and they lend credibility to "making friends" stories. So why do I have no stories involving bubbles? >I make it a point to wear jeans and t-shirt or the equivalent whenever I >go to the symphony - I completely hate the notion that their music is >only for the wealthy and people who rhyme "dance" with "ponce." (Unless >they're British) > > > The most heated discussions my wife and I have had involve the differences between rock and classical music, or spirit/attitude (?) vs. technical ability. I told her I didn't believe that playing in the orchestra was a creative act; only the composer was involved in a creative act (probably hundreds of years ago). Of course, this doesn't diminish my respect or enjoyment of someone with technical ability, and I love to hear her play. It's just not creativity when you are playing the notes someone else wrote. She gets me back by pointing out all the times I'm singing out of tune (which apparently is quite often; I don't know, I don't have much of an ear for that sort of thing). We are trying to be a rock band, but it's a little tricky with the different approaches. I will even tune the guitar to an electronic tuner - - but it's still "not quite right" to her. I say, '"it's good enough for rock 'n' roll." Luckily, she likes the Hives even more than I do, so I forgive her all of her technical tyranny. >The amusing thing, though, is that there are probably relatively poor >symphony fans who feel compelled to dress up so as to fit in...just as I >know for a fact there are lots of indie rockers & their fans who dress >like they work in a garage but have trust funds. (And plenty who don't, >mind you...) I remember one joker in a local band, around the time >Nirvana brought back the stupid guitar-smashing stunt (I mean, at least >Pete had the decency to *steal* the guitars he wrecked), thinking it'd be >cool to wreck his guitar. I saw him do this a couple of times - and it >pissed me off, because I know that myself and many other audience members >couldn't afford a goddamned electric guitar and here's this moron >obliviously smashing one to bits. Trust fund idiot, for sure. (BTW: I >wouldn't mind the TF folks if they acted normal - and many of them do. >But the whole rock'n'roll taboo against admitting that you come from >money is really stupid and self-destructive - thank you, Stephin Merritt, >for at least owning up to it.) > > > Quite right. But that's fashion for ya. The same dress-up mechanics probably applies to jobs, churches, parties, sports, communes, etc. You must assimilate. Although I always wanted to be rich but never spend a dime on clothes and drive an old Ford Econoline. I guess that's the result of too many years of pop culture propaganda ("You must assimilate into this culture of non-assimilation"). I'm done smashing guitars. I realized the only people that it makes happy are guitar manufacturers. I try to apply the same logic to smoking ("I'm paying someone to kill me") but so far that's been a little trickier. There was some HBO documentary (the name of which I don't recall) about young kids who were heirs to vast fortunes. A couple of them seemed normal, but a lot of them were rather creepy. Having a sort of elitist, arrogant, entitled attitude myself much of the time (and having been deemed creepy by some), I can kind of relate, although my attitude doesn't come from having money (and fortunately -?- this attitude has been decomposing). I've noted a kind of reverse arrogance, that can be equally annoying, with at least one person I know: "my life has been so rough, I'm so poor, my life is more depressing than anyone else's, you could never know what it was like - your parents provided everything for you" (this said without them knowing anything about my background and said with grating regularity). I always get deja vu when I post to loud-fans. And one of my recurring personal goals is "restrain yourself from posting to loud-fans." Any psychologists out there? Also, remind me to escape the country if this list ever shows up on Google. - - desensitized cromag man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:50:33 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating > For some reason, I'm all for stories about "making friends," ... weirdest tales ... torrid affairs in Brazil ... any story involving bubbles i can't resist this one. it's so in my tradition of over-sharing. when i was about 21 or 22, a friend of mine and i went to the thursday night male dancer gig at the local pizzaria in Santa Maria, CA. Santa Maria is made up of mostly retirees and agricultural workers, plus a community college. not exactly Brazil. i was a student in the technical theatre program, and my cohort was an acting student. she was also a nut, which is apparently contagious. we ended up bringing the strippers back to her apartment, turning on the blacklight, and splattering eachother with some detergent or other that glows. i'm fairly sure there were bubbles at some point. don't send your kids to theatre school - unless you want them to make fast friends (not usually quite THAT fast), have a wacky couple of years, a whole lot of fun, and a guilty smirk every time one of these questions comes up. now i'm a boring homebody :) brianna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:56:57 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating me wrote: >we ended up bringing the strippers back to her apartment, turning on the >blacklight, and splattering eachother with some detergent or other that >glows. i'm fairly sure there were bubbles at some point. >brianna > > Cool! You have made my night. Glowing *and* bubbles. I just would have never put the two together myself. God (or the vast nothingness) bless you, Grateful in Tville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:15:42 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Drugs at the Symphony Chris: > No offense to any smackheads out there. None taken! I always like to fire up an A-bomb on my way out for some fresh Schoenberg in my frilled shorts and Loverboy muscle shirt...heretofore to be known as "what they wear to the symphony in Wisconsin." Seriously, it seems like a lot of effort to dress down to make a statement about people dressing up, when they actually dress that way every day...but knock yourself out, Jeff ;) Just for the record I went to the CSO last week and was in the great minority wearing a coat and tie...and this ran across all socio-economic groups from the starch-white, fabulously wealthy seniors down on the main floor to the merely extraordinarily well-to-do wild half-breeds up in the balcony. Me, I had the interesting experience of having to check a couple times on my neighbor, an utterly ancient Jewish lady who I at first thought had died but had only fallen deeply asleep in her seat. Mind you, this was to Beethoven 9. again: > I'm personally partial to any story > involving bubbles, but that's just me. I'm up for hammocks. Hammocks and grapefruit...with bubbles, or without. But definitely a case of Grey Goose and the grapefruit. And a trampoline. and finally: > Of course, this doesn't > diminish my respect or enjoyment of someone with technical ability, and > I love to hear her play. It's just not creativity when you are playing > the notes someone else wrote. There's actually some merit to this argument. I've come to think, however, that there's a measure of creativity in a) the level of emotional expression that technical proficiency allows you to have, and b) the fact that you're creating that sound in concert with so many other voices (instruments). The physical act can also be creative, but I agree not in the same way. Michael "somebody turn off the bubble machine" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:37:00 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:56:54 -0500, "Chris Murtland" said: > No offense to any smackheads out there. That's "Chemically Enabled American" to you, pal. > Quite right. But that's fashion for ya. The same dress-up mechanics > probably applies to jobs, churches, parties, sports, communes, etc. You > must assimilate. Although I always wanted to be rich but never spend a > dime on clothes and drive an old Ford Econoline. I guess that's the > result of too many years of pop culture propaganda ("You must assimilate > into this culture of non-assimilation"). True - but it isn't just dress-up, it's attitude, even baldfaced lying, on occasion. > I'm done smashing guitars. I realized the only people that it makes > happy are guitar manufacturers. I try to apply the same logic to smoking > ("I'm paying someone to kill me") but so far that's been a little > trickier. Yeah - smashing cigarettes onstage just wouldn't have the same impact. I've noted a kind of reverse arrogance, that can be > equally annoying, with at least one person I know: "my life has been so > rough, I'm so poor, my life is more depressing than anyone else's, you > could never know what it was like - your parents provided everything for > you" (this said without them knowing anything about my background and > said with grating regularity). Oh yeah (in Duffman voice). Rose, my wife, gets this sometimes...and her father worked in a cheese factory in Mayville, Wisconsin most his life, and when we met, he was forced to work third-shift at a convenience store after the factory shut down (early '80s sucky economy). So yeah - she's from filthy huge money. > psychologists out there? Also, remind me to escape the country if this > list ever shows up on Google. It *is* archived, you know...I tried doing a search on "cromag bubbles 'groping in the boiler room'" but damn, google's bots haven't found it yet. Just cause doing a search on "cromag bubbles 'groping in the boiler room'" is a cool idea. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:43:33 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dogs at the Symphony On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:15:42 -0600, "Michael Wells" said: > Schoenberg in my frilled shorts and Loverboy muscle shirt...heretofore to > be > known as "what they wear to the symphony in Wisconsin." Seriously, it > seems > like a lot of effort to dress down to make a statement about people > dressing > up, when they actually dress that way every day...but knock yourself out, > Jeff ;) I tried - but the volume of my mullet kept diminishing the force of my blows. Anyway, I don't know what "frilled shorts" even are...but I gotta say, sounds like one of them panty-waist things you Illinois boys go in for. Nah, I just wear what I wear if I go hear the symphony - but hey, at least I wear actual pants (jeans) rather than those damned Packer-based pyjama bottoms every other guy wears here on the weekends. And don't get all superior on me, Mr. City of Pig Shoulders - I know they're made in Chicago Bears stylee too. Hey - "Schoenberg" next to "frilled" reminds me of one of my favorite music stories. Supposedly, Charles Ives was at the premier of one of his pieces and he could see the audience reacting painfully to his typical five-keys-and-tempi-at-once blares of dissonance (all at triple fortissimo, of course). Story goes, he stood up and yelled, "What's the matter? Take your dissonance like a man, you bunch of sissies!" - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:52:35 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating Chris Murtland wrote: > I'm personally partial to any story involving bubbles, but that's just > me. Bubbles are sexy little soapy spheres that float through the air > and they lend credibility to "making friends" stories. So why do I > have no stories involving bubbles? I have one word to suggest to you: Ibiza Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:57:10 -0700 From: Dennis Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating/SEO Fortissimo wrote: >It *is* archived, you know...I tried doing a search on "cromag bubbles >'groping in the boiler room'" but damn, google's bots haven't found it >yet. Just cause doing a search on "cromag bubbles 'groping in the boiler >room'" is a cool idea. > Oh, I am working on the finishing touches of a loud-fans blog that not only makes the list very searchable, but also optimizes on certain keywords, that if contained in the content will have googlers reading ours messages for years to come. :) Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:08:42 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating/SEO Dennis wrote: > Oh, I am working on the finishing touches of a loud-fans blog that not > only makes the list very searchable, but also optimizes on certain > keywords, that if contained in the content will have googlers reading > ours messages for years to come. > > :) > > Dennis > I just hope it isn't retroactive. - - the phantom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:09:37 -0500 From: Chris Murtland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating Jenny Grover wrote: > I have one word to suggest to you: Ibiza > > Jen > So, I take it you are saying I should be calling my travel agent? - - the shadow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:30:52 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History of Dating - --- me wrote: Go Brianna! Kinda reminds me about this one legged girl I met in Austin. Or was it Houston? No bubbles, though.. Gil > we ended up bringing the strippers back to her > apartment, turning on the > blacklight, and splattering eachother with some > detergent or other that > glows. i'm fairly sure there were bubbles at some > point. > > don't send your kids to theatre school - unless you > want them to make fast > friends (not usually quite THAT fast), have a wacky > couple of years, a whole > lot of fun, and a guilty smirk every time one of > these questions comes up. > > now i'm a boring homebody :) > > brianna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #49 ******************************