From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #28 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 04 : Number 028 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Never Looked Over Reality's Shoulder [Dan Stillwell ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] worm, turning [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Never Looked Over Reality's Shoulder ["Bradley Skaught" <] [loud-fans] poll vote [dmw ] [loud-fans] Onion [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots [zoom@muppetlabs.com] [loud-fans] Misattributed, but how precisely? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Misattributed, but how precisely? ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais ["Strangelight Information" ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais ["Bradley Skaught" ] [loud-fans] my poll votes [Roger Winston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 04:14:03 -0500 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Never Looked Over Reality's Shoulder Bradley Skaught wrote: > > Don't know if anyone here is planning to check out Bowie on the latest tour, > but I can't recommend it highly enough. His voice is in ridiculously good > shape and the band is inspired. I'll de-lurk to say I've enjoyed Bowie's REALITY more than anything I've heard in years. He sings great, and Gerry Leonard and Earl Slick are standouts on guitar. Dan Stillwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:05:47 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] resolved: 2004 sucks! On Jan 25, 2004, at 3:17 PM, Phil Fleming wrote: > As someone who collected Cure B-sides from 1989-1996 > (I only got the singles with outtakes, not remixes), > some of the tracks were even better than the singles > or the albums that the singles came from. It was easy > to see how they didn't fit onto the albums themselves. I was pretty much in the same boat -- some of my favorite Cure tracks (e.g. "The Exploding Boy", "Harold And Joe") are b-sides, and it's great to see them properly compiled. As far as 2004 goes, I've already heard the excellent 3rd Lali Puna album on Morr Music (should go over big with fans of that wonderful area where indie and electronics overlap -- fans of Manitoba, Ulrich Schnauss, Capitol K, and the Postal Service should eat it up) -- due out in April, I think. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:13:08 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots On Jan 26, 2004, at 1:42 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: > >> "Keep Feeling Fascination" as a representation of Human League > > I like this as a second Human League track, but obviously the first > should be "Don't You Want Me". Their albums were often uneven, but I > think the whole run, very much including 2001's _Secrets_, is worth > its shelf-space. There was a recent adoration thread for "Love Action", the second single from _Dare_ and a really swelligant piece of technopop, on I Love Music. "This is Phil talking I'm gonna tell you what I've found to be true whoo ooo ooo!" -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:33:09 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worm, turning On Jan 27, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > So far Norton Anti-Virus had caught 'em all, but I have *never* been > hit as frequently by a virus as I've been hit by the Worm.SCO.A thingy > over the last 18 hours. The weird thing is, I haven't gotten any, not even one, and I average several hundred new emails a day. It's not that my ISP is filtering them either, as I run my own incoming mail server. All I can figure is that the pool of Mac and Unix users that comprise most of my regular correspondents are unaffected, and hence flying under worm radar. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:35:25 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Never Looked Over Reality's Shoulder > He sings great, and Gerry Leonard and Earl Slick are > standouts on guitar. And those elements are even more impressive and exciting live. I really don't think i've heard better live versions of the Ziggy-era stuff since Ronson left. There was some serious, hefty 70's rock going on. But they could handle everything else, too--art rock, dreamy atmospheric weirdness, the whole range. Add Mike Garson to the mix and it's truly extraordinary. B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] poll vote in case any one is curious. i'm a little troubled that i've got FOUR bands from my current dwelling place in the list, but they're all near the bottom, and there's only one i didn't know about before moving here, or that's low enuff on the great totem pole for my current outfit to play with at the moment. and anyway there are almost as many texas bands (and in the runner ups, there's even more texas and only one more boston). it's also more than a little skewed toward stuff i heard quite late in the year, but oh well. brief notes on the things you don't all already know about. special 2002 honorable mention: i only even heard rilo kiley's "the execution of all things" as a result of the postal service connection, which is about as cool as buying my first big star record coz paul westerberg sang about them, i.e., not very. but anyway. 5 deathray davies - midnight at the black nail polish factory Solid songs, creatively arranged, recorded with care. If you told someone this was Chris Stamey fronting The New Pornographers, maybe they'd believe you. 4 beauty pill - you are right to be afraid (ep) (ex-Smart Went Crazy, if that means anything to you) Deceptive simplicity flowers into forms unexpected but appropriate. Strange but pleasing. Are "challenging" and "pretty" antonyms? No. radiohead - hail to the thief 3 ted leo & pharamcists, hearts of oak richard thompson, old kit bag black lipstick, converted thieves (ex-Kiss Offs) Yelpy, sneery indie rock, performed with more gusto than precision, but also with more verve than just about any other band that might have wanted to be Pavement. 2 wrens, the meadowlands television, live at the old waldorf It's shorter than the previously available Television live album, The Blow Up, but all the muck has magically been scraped off, and you can hear. the heavenly states, the heavenly states On the quieter tunes, the sedate, minor key melodies and male/female harmony interplay evoke comparisons to Ida or Low (not unfavorably), but there are unabashedly catchy pop songs here too. constantines, shine a light Look, when you're from DC, you don't ever, ever compare a band to Fugazi. I don't care how how sharp the dynamics, how tight, how interestingly textured the compositions, or how much conviction they play with -- it's just not done. Besides, there's a blues underpinning to Dallas Wehrle's bass lines that's nothing like Joe Lally. 1 helicopter helicopter, wild dogs with x-ray eyes strike anywhere, exit english Hardcore too fierce to sit still to, smart enough to make you think, catchy enough to make you want to read the words. I want to burn a million copies and slip 'em in the cases of a million crappy mall-punk discs. heather hates you, operation suckerpunch well-executed pop-punk with Green Day-ish tenor vocalist. melodies with way more stick to 'em and words with way more smarts than the usual. the dresden dolls, the dresden dolls Look, it's not like you haven't heard dark and moody piano chicks before, I know. But Brian Viglione's drumming blends with Amanda Palmer's piano and voice like Scott Plouf meshed with Rebecca Gates in the Spinanes, and Palmer's a more interesting pianist than (fill in the blank). Better yet, her sense of humor may be twisted, but it's not buried in the dark. File under "Unexpectly trancscends its innate gimmickry." beatings, the heart, the product, the machine and [sic] the asshole At CMJ in 1986 or so, a panelist gave some advice for the rock'n'roll careerists, and some wag asked if The Replacements did it that way. The panelist got a pained look. "The rules," he said, "don't apply to The Replacements." I don't think they apply to the Beatings, either, otherwise I'd say the songs are too long and the singing is too ragged. I don't think they care, and somehow I don't either. Just don't tell them that they might save rock'n'roll, okay? Or call them the "New Pixies." Just coz the guy's a hoarse baritone and the bass player sings now and then. It doesn't need saving. (And anyway, "Transvestite Bar" really does go on too long.) - -- d. np the beatings "mobilize the militia" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:04:56 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Onion The onion hits a nerve....you can certainly they are from the midwest. http://www.theonion.com/4004/news2.html Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: zoom@muppetlabs.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots > There was a recent adoration thread for "Love Action", the second > single from _Dare_ and a > really swelligant piece of technopop, on I Love Music. Can't remember if I sold my Human League best-of (probably) but during the two weeks or so I spun it at work, I fell for "Louise," from HYSTERIA, Phil at his charmingly awkward best unfolding a charmingly awkward story of two old flames meeting by chance. I'd love to hear that album of early, proto-original lineup demos, though, Andy Pylon Hits [DB, 1989] From the cradle of Southern civilization, all of Gyrate and half of Chomp, and I'd still do it the other way round. Also all four sides of two superb seven-inches. "Cool" booms out like the art-DOR sleeper of all time, its only rival "Never Say Never," while "Crazy" and "M-Train" leave the LP stuff wondering what to do. Plus lyrics, which answer many nagging questions and inspire others. How does one grade this pricy embarrassment of riches? I guess one gives it the benefit of the doubt for the singles, which merit digital technology, and the band's big yet spare and spacy sound, which suits it. A- - --Robert Christgau ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:33:19 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Misattributed, but how precisely? Heh... just spotted this in an Amazon custmer review of the Church's covers album: >>With "Box of Birds" the band scores several strong successes, particularly >>the covers of Mott the Hoople's David Bowie penned anthem "All the >>Young Dudes," a lengthy rendition of Neil Young and Crazy Horse's >>"Cortex the Killer" and George Harrison's "It's All Too Much." Arrived at by accident, typo specifically, I assume, but hey... - -CortRex the Killer (plenty bad man) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Why we dont... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3429903.stm Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:17:06 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misattributed, but how precisely? Rex.Broome on 1/29/2004 12:33:19 PM wrote: > -CortRex the Killer (plenty bad man) My Xbox Live gamertag is CortexTheKiller. I think GameTheory was already taken. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Emitt Rhodes Howdy, Could the nice person that sent the Emitt link the other day, please send it again if you got it? Thanks! Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:38:21 -0600 From: "Strangelight Information" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais Is The Office series over? I've seen the first 2 series. Did they do a 3rd? It seemed to be over after the 2nd series, but I hoped there might be more. As for an American version, I'd rather just see a totally different show and not have it called The Office or The American Office or whatever. I mean, get Gervais to star in a different show or do a mockumentary, but don't ruin The Office, especially since you can buy the original. By the way, the multi-region dvd player I have more than paid for itself when I got The Office Series 2 before most people in the US. That, my copy of Muse "Hullaballoo", and the Later with Jools Holland series of dvds are prized in my collection. The player was only $100 on ebay, but it's a Daewoo, so who knows how long it will last. So far no problems... Jason Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:00:46 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At Monday 1/26/2004 01:47 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: >He said yesterday morning on NPR that he only has an "advisory" role. >That's what Steven Moffat was eventually reduced to on the US version of >Coupling, and we saw how well that turned out. It's going to crash and burn. Ain't It Cool News is reporting this morning that Steve Carell has been cast as David Brent in the US version of The Office. You know, that could actually work. And Greg Daniels (King of the Hill) is supposedly the show runner. So already you've got a better pedigree than the American Coupling (not hard). Though I love Rena Sofer, she was miscast as Susan. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:50:05 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais Strangelight Information wrote: > The player was only $100 on ebay, but it's a >Daewoo, so who knows how long it will last. So far no problems... > > My first and so far only DVD player is a Daewoo and I've never had a lick of trouble with it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:06:33 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At 06:38 PM 1/29/2004 -0600, Strangelight Information wrote: >Is The Office series over? I've seen the first 2 series. Did they do a >3rd? It seemed to be over after the 2nd series, but I hoped there might be >more. No, it's officially over. There won't be a third series. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:57:17 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Emitt Rhodes In a message dated 1/29/04 7:00:18 PM, ggilray@yahoo.com writes: > Could the nice person that sent the Emitt link the > other day, please send it again if you got it? > Nicely as ever, and to the list again, since there's now a relevant subject heading... http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=583&IssueNum=33 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:45:32 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At Thursday 1/29/2004 06:06 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: >At 06:38 PM 1/29/2004 -0600, Strangelight Information wrote: > >Is The Office series over? I've seen the first 2 series. Did they do a > >3rd? It seemed to be over after the 2nd series, but I hoped there might be > >more. > >No, it's officially over. There won't be a third series. I believe though that there was a Christmas or some such special which wrapped everything up. It hasn't been shown over here yet. Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:01:57 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais > I believe though that there was a Christmas or some > such special which > wrapped everything up. It hasn't been shown over here > yet. I just got an email from BBC america announcing pre-orders for the season two DVD set--it'd be nice if they stuck the christmas special on there somewhere! B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Ted Leo Last night I went to see Ted Leo and the Pharmacists at Bottom of the Hill with Stacey, Joe and Sue. Stacey got free tix, so I pretty much had to go..."you ARE going!" is how she put it, actually. We got there in the middle of Fiery Furnaces set, which suited me just fine. I was kinda hating the world at the time, and I was pleasantly surprised that I only had a 1/2 a set to go until the headliners. I have absolutely NO IDEA as to what the FF's were about. drummer, 2 guitar/keyboard guys and a very hot singer that played the guitar at times. The sound was terrible and I just couldn't figure them out. This got me in a bad mood. Have I finally turned into the old fart that I feared when I was younger? Am I outta touch with what the kids like? The singer woman was drop dead beautiful (great bone struture) and she sang ok and had good stage presence, but all I could think about was: - -It's too crowded - -The line at the bar is too long - -That's ok though, cuz that will cut down on impossible trips to the restroom. - -The beer I did get, sucked. - -I really didn't want to let on to Stacey how much I really would have preferred to staying home and watching hockey. - -And most of all...Am I an old fart? Well, yes, I am an old fart now. I was by far the oldest person there and I just didn't get the Fiery Furnaces. I guess I can handle all of this, but man, the beer really sucked! Well, I couldn't help it and I did do a mini rant to Stacey after all and I suppose she will leave me soon. ;) Then Ted Leo came on. By then, I had switched to gin and tonic and was starting to feel a bit more...alive. The band kicked ass. A most impressive amount of noise coming from a 3 pc. band. They were tight, loud and great.Ted is an amazing guitar player. BOrders on manic. He sings great, too. I couldn't help but notice that when he sings certain, higher notes, his mouth opens REALLY BIG! Reminded me of some Southpark character (the baby?). Now the bass player brought up old, distant, but not really bad feelings. He was very cute. Lots of curly hair (bastard) and he too, played extremely well. It was his stage persona that I got a kick out of. He played the bass like it was second nature. Rarely looking down to his strings and pulling off tricky, yet solid parts. He was looking at SOMETHING though! You know the look, I know the look, the look was making very cute eye contact with the girls! He seemed obsessed!(In all fairness, maybe that was just his natural look, but...) I remember, back in the GT days, trying out that look myself. It worked ok for me, but it really worked well for Gui. Get on stage, rock hard and make eye contact with the chicks! Maybe something good will happen! By the time I got into LF, I didn't and couldn't bring back THE LOOK. Very happily married, not as cute and I was trying like hell to not screw up the songs.. Oh yeah, Ted Leo's drummer was great, also. Forehead enhanced (like me), and not even close to getting THE LOOK going. He was totally just into playing hard and great. These guys are awesome, but keep your spouses away from the bass player. I'll come to terms with my old fartness, and now I would like to thank Stacey for making me go. I feel better now. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:00:25 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] my poll votes I've finally submitted my vote in the year-end poll. Here's my list. (This is taken straight from my blog with no further explanations - I'm lazy - so there.) 5 points: New Pornographers, Electric Version 4 points: Nada Surf, Let Go Echoboy, Giraffe 3 points: Ted Leo And The Pharmacists, Hearts Of Oak Ad Frank And The Fast Easy Women, In Girl Trouble Idlewild, The Remote Part 2 points: Fountains Of Wayne, Welcome Interstate Managers The Shins, Chutes Too Narrow Various Artists, Every Word - A Tribute To Let's Active Even In Blackouts, Myths and Imaginary Magicians 1 point: Piqataland, Songs for the Forgotten Future Vol. 1 Buzzcocks, Buzzcocks Grandaddy, Sumday Hot Hot Heat, Make Up The Breakdown Placebo, Sleeping With Ghosts It's interesting to me that only one of these (Even In Blackouts) was a digital download from eMusic, and the rest were all actual physical CDs I bought. Though the MP3 revolution is changing the way I listen to music, I'm not sure it's having that much of an effect on my tastes yet. It's worth noting that some of the others were available on eMusic, but I bought the CDs before they were there. Also, I've been telling myself that I'll buy the CD versions of downloaded albums I really like (essentially paying for them twice), yet I haven't picked up the Even In Blackouts disc as yet. Disclaimers: As always, I didn't have nearly enough time to give a thorough listen to everything I acquired in 2003. If I had, then I'm sure this list would've been much different. Not only a different order, but probably some different discs as well. Some that I acquired fairly recently (like Logic Will Break Your Heart by The Stills), might've appeared if I had gotten them earlier. Also, there were several I wanted to get but never even heard (in many cases, I was waiting to see if they would show up on eMusic), and some of those might've scored highly. The latest Steve Wynn, Static Transmission is one example of that. David Bowie's new one is another - I did finally get it, but haven't listened to it yet. A lot of people seem to like that Thrills album too, and I wish I had gotten a chance to hear it. And I've only heard one Darkness song, but I want to hear more. Oh well, there's only so much time and money in my universe. Some favorite songs of the year (not necessarily in order): New Pornographers - The Laws Have Changed Echoboy - Comfort of the Hum Nada Surf - Blizzard of '77 Mandy Moore - Senses Working Overtime OutKast - Hey Ya! Ted Leo And The Pharmacists - I'm A Ghost Idlewild - You Held The World In Your Arms The Shins - Mine's Not A High Horse Grandaddy - Now It's On Ad Frank And The Fast Easy Women - Dumb Trilemma (my iPod keeps playing this one on shuffle play, so it's drilled into my head) Kathleen Edwards - One More Song The Radio Won't Like Doug Powell - Waters Part The Stills - Love & Death Liz Phair - Extraordinary Alkaline Trio - This Could Be Love Dandy Warhols - I Am Sound Firewater - I Often Dream Of Trains Poster Children - Western Springs Even In Blackouts - 27 Seconds of Flame Piqataland - Ota Benga's Name Most Missed: Elliott Smith Latre. --Rog - -- Distance, Redefined: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/flasshe ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #28 ******************************