From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #25 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, January 27 2004 Volume 04 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] resolved: 2004 sucks! ["Stefaan Hurts" ] [loud-fans] 2003 album poll -- final week! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots ["Michael Zwirn" ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots [glenn mcdonald ] [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais [Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] resolved: 2004 sucks! On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:17:04 -0800 (PST), "Phil Fleming" said: > Maybe the big Cure Reissue campaign will bring forth > even more great stuff... it's hard to imagine there > being even more outtake material from those sessions. I used to have the way cool tape version of "Concert & Curiosity", which had a lot more tracks on it than the vinyl, and later, the CD version. I wonder if those extra tracks will end up on the reissues. Toodlepip, - -Stef, being glad no one on this list can see pictures of him when he was 17 and doing a Robert Smith with his hair. =) - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:24:05 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Not Expecting Both AMC & Game Theory American Music Club archivist sent a request Subject: [loud-fans] Emusic I didn't notice this until today, but looks like there is a new tier for Emusic - 90 songs/month for $19.99. Sorry if this is old news. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] 2003 album poll -- final week! The loud-fans poll for Album(s) Of The Year closes this weekend. (Specifically, whenever I get up and start counting the votes on Sunday, February 1.) Vote at: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf03/ This is my fourth year running the poll, and I was somewhat sad to see the number of voters decline from 2000 to 2001, and 2001 to 2002. This year, though the number of ballots is already tied with 2001's final total, with the 2000 tally not far away. So thanks to everyone who's participated, and to those who are about to. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:47:47 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] joining the dots (I haven't participated in any conversational threads in quite a while, so this post turned out to be quite long and rambling. Sorry.) So, while doing a long overdue email catch-up last night, I noticed someone here knocking Rhino's JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH series. I guess I can see how these discs might seem incomplete if you experienced first hand (I just recently bought the Freur album and am quite amazed that "Doot Doot" is nowhere to be found on any of the fifteen volumes), but to me who was born only two years before the 80's began but began listening to music at a very young age, they were a great mixture nostalgia ("Mickey," "I Ran" and "Talking In Your Sleep" were some of the first songs I ever knew) and discovery. The argument that they are maybe too popular doesn't stand up much to me as for every "Come On Eileen" or "Whip It" here, there's a great obscurity like The Bluebells' "Cath" or Human Sexual Response's "What Does Sex Mean To Me?" which places the hits in their proper context. The series also does a great job of following up the hits with another less-familiar song by the artists, so that while you get "I Got You," "Tainted Love," "In a Big Country," "I Don't Like Mondays" and "I Want Candy" you also get "Six Months In a Leaky Boat," "Sex Dwarf," Fields of Fire," "Up All Night" and the underrated "Do You Wanna Hold Me?" The series is also responsible for being my introduction to such things as The Jam or Laurie Anderson's "O Superman (For Massenet)," which may not seem so obscure to us now but which were nevertheless not the sort of thing I was likely to hear on mainstream radio circa 1994. Of course, now that I'm a lot more educated in New Wave I do have a minor complaint or two with the series ("Keep Feeling Fascination" as a representation of Human League; The Kings' "Switchin' To Glide" as heard in it's truncated form) but it cannot compare to how immensely valuable it has been to me for nearly a decade now. This thread did raise an interesting question for me, though: Who are Pylon and why don't I know them? I do like "Never Say Never," after all. As for the bound-to-suck 2004, I haven't bought anything with an '04 copywrite date on it yet and most of what I'm immediately looking forward to are reissues and compilations. From Rhino, again, the 2CD 10,000 Maniacs best-of CAMPFIRE TALES looks pretty great and has lots of covers and obscurities. I really want to collect the Echo & The Bunnymen reissues (spanning CROCODILES through ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN and full of bonuses) which also come out on Tuesday. I don't think I'm enough of a Cure fan yet to want the JOIN THE DOTS box but I would be interested in the rumored reissue series of their studio records when that happens. I'm also looking forward to the new Alanis album SO-CALLED CHAOS, but it now looks like it's been pushed from February to April and the Tears For Fears reunion disc is due out around the same time. Jimmy Eat World supposedly have one finished or close to being so, but there's no date on it yet. I picked up the new Blondie as a European import about a month ago but I'm actually kinda puzzled by it so far. It sounds like they went all weird and AUTOAMERICAN again, which I can't help but be somewhat disappointed by after loving NO EXIT so much. It did start to make more sense after the most recent listen, though, and I suspect I'll start really liking it soon. And finally, do the list's Emm Gryner fans know that she just released a DVD called VIDEOCHROME? It only has four videos (with Emm's commentary) and three in-studio performances, but it sells pretty cheap here. I haven't picked it up myself yet, but should do so immediately in anticipation of seeing her next week. Ok, I think that's it. Jer Eighty-six nations have signed the international Framework Convention on Tobacco Control. Help get the U.S. on the list! http://www.care2.com/go/z/10840/1060 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:03:14 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots > And finally, do the list's Emm Gryner fans know that she just > released a DVD called VIDEOCHROME? It only has four videos (with > Emm's commentary) and three in-studio performances, but it sells > pretty cheap here. I haven't picked it up myself yet, but should do > so immediately in anticipation of seeing her next week. I noticed it and thought the pricing wasn't so hot for US customers.... Looked like it would be a worthwhile purchase, however. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:10:27 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots At 12:47 PM 1/26/2004 -0500, jer fairall wrote: >This thread did raise an interesting question for me, though: Who >are Pylon and why don't I know them? I do like "Never Say Never," >after all. They were the missing link between the B-52's and R.E.M., the kings of the Athens scene in the early '80s. If you'll hurry up and answer me about your swap disc, I'll be sure to put a couple of things on there. If you have R.E.M.'s DEAD LETTER OFFICE, "Crazy" is a Pylon cover. My only problem with the JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH series, like EMI's so similar there's tons of overlap LIVING IN OBLIVION series, is that I have so many of those songs on the original vinyl or on reissue CDs that buying these discs is largely redundant. Which song has appeared on more Best-of-the-80s discs, "Love My Way" or "Love Plus One"? I swear, one or the other is the tally leader. >As for the bound-to-suck 2004, I haven't bought anything with an '04 >copywrite date on it yet and most of what I'm immediately looking >forward to are reissues and compilations. I just heard the second album by Denise James, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LOVE, out next month on Rainbow Quartz. A lot of people will yawn because of the seriously retro elements -- the press kit's description of it as an indie Petula Clark is right on the money -- but I like the songs, I like Matthew Smith's production, and I really like Denise's voice. S NP: GARMONIA -- Lights Out Asia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:42:30 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots > I just recently bought the Freur album Nice! I got this one years after the fact, too, and was surprised how much I enjoyed the whole thing. > The Bluebells' "Cath" I never thought their albums lived up to their potential. Especially the dubious second one. > Human Sexual Response's "What Does Sex Mean To Me?" See also the Zulus, another Boston band with some of the HSR people, in a much sparer/louder guitar-rock mode. > "Keep Feeling Fascination" as a representation of Human League I like this as a second Human League track, but obviously the first should be "Don't You Want Me". Their albums were often uneven, but I think the whole run, very much including 2001's _Secrets_, is worth its shelf-space. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:02:13 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais It was pretty obvious on the Golden Globes last night that no one on the production/direction end of the show thought Ricky was even there, let alone that he would win! He was the only one not shown when they were announcing the nominees, and after the slight pause of disbelief that he'd won, there was a hilarious scramble to find him when they realized he was actually there (buried at some far back table!) His acceptance speech was brilliant, too--basically admitting up front that he was just wasting time until the "wrap it up" sign appeared. He joked about already having one and how, as bookends, you really need the set. Eric Idle was the only audience member who seemed to have any idea who he was and he was roaring with laughter. When the sign finally appeared, Ricky pointed at the camera and yelled, "There! Wrap it up! Bye!" and ran off. It's one of those pop culture moments when you feel like your team won--like Elliott Smith on the Oscars or footage of The Chills and Split Enz reunions during the millenium new years celebrations. I would imagine TV critics all over the country were leaping with joy after putting him in the "should win but won't" category. I know I thought they'd give it to Matt LeBlanc for sure! B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:33:43 -0500 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais The Office is mind-blowingly, squirmingly, borderline-intolerably brilliant, in my opinion, on a scale not seen in this genre since Fawlty Towers. It's no coincidence that both shows were made in a system where a season is only six episodes, and two seasons is a good run. Beat this kind of idea twenty-seven times a year for eight years and the pain is no longer so inspiring. As, apparently, NBC will shortly demonstrate by idiotically remaking The Office for the presumably simple-minded American audience. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:35:13 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:10:27 -0500, "Stewart Mason" said: > At 12:47 PM 1/26/2004 -0500, jer fairall wrote: > >This thread did raise an interesting question for me, though: Who > >are Pylon and why don't I know them? > > If you have R.E.M.'s DEAD LETTER OFFICE, "Crazy" is a Pylon cover. Although it doesn't really sound like Pylon to my ears...(i.e., they rearrange it so it sounds like R.E.M.). > My only problem with the JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH series, like EMI's so > similar there's tons of overlap LIVING IN OBLIVION series, is that I have > so many of those songs on the original vinyl or on reissue CDs that > buying > these discs is largely redundant. Insert usual rant about how if record companies had had any brains, downloading individual tracks for pay would have been a going thing at least five-six years ago, and we wouldn't have this problem, and they'd have fewer of theirs. > I just heard the second album by Denise James, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LOVE, > out > next month on Rainbow Quartz. A lot of people will yawn because of the > seriously retro elements -- the press kit's description of it as an indie > Petula Clark is right on the money -- but I like the songs, I like > Matthew > Smith's production, and I really like Denise's voice. Is that Matthew Smith from Outrageous Cherry? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:31:09 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At 11:02 AM 1/26/2004 -0800, Bradley Skaught wrote: >It was pretty obvious on the Golden Globes last night that no one on the >production/direction end of the show thought Ricky was even there, let alone >that he would win! He was the only one not shown when they were announcing the >nominees, and after the slight pause of disbelief that he'd won, there was a >hilarious scramble to find him when they realized he was actually there >(buried at some far back table!) I don't think so. They'd had no trouble at all finding the table earlier, when The Office won best comedy, and that table wasn't as far off in Siberia as the 24 table was when they won best drama! My memory is that Ricky actually walked on from backstage, which suggests to me that he'd been backstage doing the interview rounds when the announcement was made. Given that the Globes pride themselves on their looseness and they pray for moments where it all falls apart because it makes for better television (remember how much they always go on about Christine Lahti being in the john when she won a few years ago?), I'd say it was par for the course, not any kind of snub. I have no problem with Ricky winning best actor -- he *is* that show -- but given that Arrested Development is approximately 729 times funnier than The Office, I did want it to win best comedy. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:52:07 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? >>>5. New Pornographers, Electric Version. Less enthralling than their >>>debut but full of great singles. "Introducing for the first time / >>>Pharoah on the microphone" is one of the great sing-along couplets in >>>ages. >>Oh. That *does* make a lot more sense than "Phil on the microphone," >>which is how I've heard that line all along. Mysteriously I've always heard it as "Saro". Which at one point led me off into a reverie about why and how proper names end up in songs, and where they come from, especially when they're weird names like Saro. I was thinking of it as kind of Scott-like. Which it maybe kinda still is... Given the fact that we've all heard it *and* actually parsed at least one lyric to death... that record's gonna top the poll with ease, innit? Miles: >>who has no hatin' for the >>Just Can't Get Enough series I shouldna said that, I don't have any (other than the Halloween edition), so I don't really know the tracklistings and was just using that title as shorthand for "new wave hits compilations". As opposed to the more recent crop of "postpunk" comps, several of which I did pick up and look at the tracklistings, and say "Cool, they kind of got it right... hope somebody else enjoys this, 'cause I already have all these songs!" Also, as not the biggest De'Mode fan in the world, the series title itself doesn't especially get my motor runnin'. The Halloween one does have the various Halloweens by Dream Syndicate, Siouxsie, Sonic Youth, The Misfits, and Mudhoney, which is handy... not to mention the head-scratch-inducing inclusion of "The Creature with the Atom Brain" by Nu-Wave Titan... Roky Erickson? - -Rexo on the microphone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:56:04 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex.Broome" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? > >>>5. New Pornographers, Electric Version. Less enthralling than their > >>>debut but full of great singles. "Introducing for the first time / > >>>Pharoah on the microphone" is one of the great sing-along couplets in > >>>ages. > > >>Oh. That *does* make a lot more sense than "Phil on the microphone," > >>which is how I've heard that line all along. > > Mysteriously I've always heard it as "Saro". Which at one point led me off into a reverie about why and how proper names end up in songs, and where they come from, especially when they're weird names like Saro. I was thinking of it as kind of Scott-like. Which it maybe kinda still is... OK, folks. "Introducing for the first time / Pharoah on the microphone" leads naturally into a later lyric, "Appeal/Appears (?) to the great unknown / in the land of the throne." Now, I had thought for the longest time that this was "the land of the thrown." The land of the thrown? No, not at all, the "land of the throne" - i.e. the land of Pharoah. So, my conclusion is that it's all a convulated reference to the story of Joseph and his prophesying to the Pharoah in Biblical times. You can tell me if I'm making the whole thing up, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:01:26 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? At 11:52 AM 1/26/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >The Halloween one does have the various Halloweens by Dream Syndicate, >Siouxsie, Sonic Youth, The Misfits, and Mudhoney, which is handy... not >to mention the head-scratch-inducing inclusion of "The Creature with the >Atom Brain" by Nu-Wave Titan... Roky Erickson? You clearly did not live in Texas in the early to mid-'80s, when Roky Erickson was at the height of his post-Rusk comeback, and was very much a revered new wave icon. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? Dunno how authoratative this is, but... It was crime at the time but the laws, we changed mem, though the hero for hirems forever the same one. Introducing for the first time, Pharaoh on the microphone. Sing all hail, whatmll be revealed today when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne? Awakened to cheers after years on the faultline, we are shocked to be here in the face of the meantime. Pharaoh, all your methods have taught me is to separate my blood from bone. It will all fail, feeling what I feel today, when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne. Form a line through here, form a line to the throne. Alone in the chain, it remains to be seen how, how well you can play when the pawn takes a queen now. Introducing for the first time, Pharaoh on the microphone. Sing all hail, whatmll be revealed today when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne? Form a line through here, form a line to the throne. It was crime at the time but the laws have changed, yeah. So... there's that. "Whatmll?" Really? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:04:08 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joining the dots At 01:35 PM 1/26/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >> I just heard the second album by Denise James, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LOVE, >> out >> next month on Rainbow Quartz. A lot of people will yawn because of the >> seriously retro elements -- the press kit's description of it as an indie >> Petula Clark is right on the money -- but I like the songs, I like >> Matthew Smith's production, and I really like Denise's voice. > >Is that Matthew Smith from Outrageous Cherry? And the Volebeats, yes. She's a Detroit girl, though she supposedly grew up in France. There's a slight early-April March vibe to some of this album. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:28:27 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais > The Office is mind-blowingly, squirmingly, borderline- > intolerably > brilliant, in my opinion, on a scale not seen in this genre > since > Fawlty Towers. Yeah, I don't think i've ever come across a comedy on television as brilliant. It's one of those lightning bolt genius things like Twin Peaks. I've read that Gervais will actually be involved in adapting the Office for the U.S. I still have low expectations, but if it's true it certainly has a chance of being interesting. B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:41:08 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? That's pretty much how I hear it. I could never figure out "Awakened to cheers"... that makes sense. Latre. --Rog - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex.Broome Sent: 1/26/2004 1:12:36 PM To: michael@zwirn.com;loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Who's on tha mic? > Dunno how authoratative this is, but... > > It was crime at the time but the laws, we changed mem, though the hero for hirems forever the same one. Introducing for the first time, Pharaoh on the microphone. Sing all hail, whatmll be revealed today when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne? Awakened to cheers after years on the faultline, we are shocked to be here in the face of the meantime. Pharaoh, all your methods have taught me is to separate my blood from bone. It will all fail, feeling what I feel today, when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne. Form a line through here, form a line to the throne. Alone in the chain, it remains to be seen how, how well you can play when the pawn takes a queen now. Introducing for the first time, Pharaoh on the microphone. Sing all hail, whatmll be revealed today when we peer into the great unknown, from the line to the throne? Form a line through here, form a line to the throne. It was crime at the time but the laws have changed, ye! > ah. > > So... there's that. > > "Whatmll?" Really? > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:47:59 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At 12:28 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, Bradley Skaught wrote: >I've read that Gervais will actually be involved in adapting the Office for >the U.S. I still have low expectations, but if it's true it certainly has a >chance of being interesting. He said yesterday morning on NPR that he only has an "advisory" role. That's what Steven Moffat was eventually reduced to on the US version of Coupling, and we saw how well that turned out. It's going to crash and burn. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:21 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais Bradley Skaught on 1/26/2004 1:28:27 PM wrote: > I've read that Gervais will actually be involved in adapting the Office for > the U.S. I still have low expectations, but if it's true it certainly has a > chance of being interesting. Gervais is also supposed to be appearing in an episode of Alias. Hopefully not playing the same character, though that would be sort of fun. I'm looking forward to it. Welcome back, Bradley! Latre. --Rog (Office fan, though it makes me squirm even more than Curb Your Enthusiasm) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:36:51 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] wha? In a message dated 1/25/04 1:30:36 AM, tonerbomb@warpmail.net writes: << Clever title - I wonder whose it is...but when I did a websearch on that phrase, nothing came up. Uh, so someone submitted this thing to CDDB and made up their own title? Odd... >> Um. That is very funny. I named it that because we waited and waited for about 5 months for our drummer to make a J card for it and it never really got done... so we were never able to properly distribute it to anyone. I hope our drummer never puts that CD in his player. He would not find his incapacities funny. The Matrix can gladly have my stage name as I am long retired. Steve Matrick n.p. TV on the Radio- Young Liars EP (for anyone was loves Peter Gabriel III this is the band for you) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:09:54 -0500 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: [loud-fans] NP/NS Internet Explorer Maybe someone can help me with this? For a reason unbeknownst to me, and this started happening a couple of weeks ago, every time I want to go to a website in Internet Explorer, the screen that shows up is blank and I have to click on an 'x' on the left to make it appear. Any idea how to get rid of this "feature"? Toodlepip, - -Stef - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:32:24 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NP/NS Internet Explorer > For a reason unbeknownst to me, and this started happening a couple of > weeks ago, every time I want to go to a website in Internet Explorer, the > screen that shows up is blank and I have to click on an 'x' on the left > to make it appear. Any idea how to get rid of this "feature"? Use Mozilla. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:06:20 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > At 12:28 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, Bradley Skaught wrote: > >I've read that Gervais will actually be involved in > adapting the Office for > >the U.S. I still have low expectations, but if it's > true it certainly has a > >chance of being interesting. > > He said yesterday morning on NPR that he only has an > "advisory" role. > That's what Steven Moffat was eventually reduced to > on the US version of > Coupling, and we saw how well that turned out. It's > going to crash and burn. > > S The US version of Coupling was awful mainly because they didn't change a WORD of the original script for the first six episodes. Isn't that about how long the show lasted? If ABC (I think they're developing The Office) knows better... they won't do the same. Phil F. NP: The Cure - JOIN THE DOTS Disc 1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:21:00 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] From Hell I just finished reading Alan Moore's From Hell graphic novel. If you haven't read it, I recommend picking it up and not reading the rest of this email! AKA spoiler It's really extraordinary--one of the coolest things i've read in ages, and maybe my favorite Alan Moore book. I dug through the appendix, which is nearly as fascinating as the book itself, but i'm still curious how Moore's tale lines up with theories of the Jack the Ripper case--is Gull really a potential suspect? I loved the "bonus" strip at the end which hilariously illustrates the tangled web of evidence, "evidence" and theory that has everyone dazzled by the webbed spectacle and somehow missing the spider. I'm also intrigued by Gull's death vision. I took the woman with the children to be Annie Chapman's daughter all grown up--am I on the right track? I've lost my taste for comics over the years, but every once in awhile i'm reminded of the power they can wield when handled properly. I've no interest in the movie, by the way--I can barely handle pen and ink gore! B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:25:22 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] God Bless Ricky Gervais At 10:06 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, Phil Fleming wrote: >> He said yesterday morning on NPR that he only has an >> "advisory" role. >> That's what Steven Moffat was eventually reduced to >> on the US version of >> Coupling, and we saw how well that turned out. It's >> going to crash and burn. >> >The US version of Coupling was awful mainly because >they didn't change a WORD of the original script for >the first six episodes. Isn't that about how long the >show lasted? Four episodes, and the last one was a new script. It wasn't actually very good either. The US Coupling failed mainly because it was horribly ill-cast and was seemingly directed by vo-tech students that had never been on a stage set before. Given that the first few scripts *were* basically unchanged, it only goes to show just how important chemistry and casting really are. Speaking of chemistry, tonight before BIG FISH (a little cutesy in spots, and kinda lightweight, but worthwhile), Charity and I saw the trailer for 50 FIRST DATES, which looks strangely promising...is it that Adam Sandler is only tolerable when paired with Drew Barrymore, or is it just that I find Drew Barrymore so appealing that I'm willing to overlook the presence of Adam Sandler? And god help me, but I think I might actually want to see THE PERFECT SCORE. It at least looks worth a Netflix rental. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #25 ******************************