From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V4 #15 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, January 20 2004 Volume 04 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] iPod as HD Backup [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] iPod as HD Backup ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet ["Fortissimo" ] Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet - because quiet is the new Loudfans [Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] iPod as HD Backup My boss wants to set up a system for backing up each employee's computer (all two of us) quickly, and in a sufficiently small package that we can take it home easily for off-site backup. He looked at portable harddrives, but after seeing how much they cost, he figured that iPod's weren't that much more expensive, and could be a nice perk for us as well. Obviously this is not its intended use, so before my boss buys me an iPod, there's one remaining question: How well would the iPod work as a backup medium with Windows? That is, is it easy to transfer non-music files back and forth? Would you be able to use backup software (from Iomega or whomever) to automate the backing up, or would you have to manually transfer files each time? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod as HD Backup Michael Mitton wrote: > Obviously this is not its intended use, so before my boss buys me an > iPod, there's one remaining question: How well would the iPod work as a > backup medium with Windows? Not a direct answer to your question, because I don't have one, but: I've heard a rumor that if you leave the iPod connected as an external drive for too long (several hours?), it overheats, because the drive doesn't ever spin down. I don't know if this is true, but you might want to look into it, or just be careful. - -- THE DOUBTFUL PALACE Free exquisite music http://www.doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet This is your second-to-last reminder to vote in the year-end album poll. Ballot URL: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf03 As several people have already done, you can supersede a ballot you've already submitted by just voting again from the same address. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:12:01 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet Aaron Mandel on 1/19/2004 12:56:16 PM wrote: > This is your second-to-last reminder to vote in the year-end album poll. > Ballot URL: > > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/lf03 > > As several people have already done, you can supersede a ballot you've > already submitted by just voting again from the same address. If it's not too much trouble, could you please do what you have done in years past and post what people have voted for so far? But don't post the number of votes - I just want a memory jog for what's been released. Thanks! --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Roger Winston wrote: > If it's not too much trouble, could you please do what you have done in > years past and post what people have voted for so far? Ah, yeah, thanks for the reminder. I did a quick check for duplicates here, but there may still be some. Don't worry about them; I'll go over everything with a finer-toothed comb when the poll's over. Also, please do not feel compelled to only vote for things on this list; it is PURELY for advisory purposes (and if voting patterns in past years are any guide, it would not be at all strange for something not yet voted-for to get a respectable standing in the poll just from votes cast between now and February 1). Also also, I think I saw some non-2003 records on there. No rule against voting for them, but be aware that even people who liked the record may not be voting for it because they already did so last year, etc. Anyway, here goes: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Poodle Hat Absinthe Blind - Rings Ad Frank & The Fast Easy Women - In Girl Trouble Adam Johnson - Chigliak Admiral Twin - Creatures of Bread and Wine Aesop Rock - Bazooka Tooth Aislers Set - How I Learned to Write Backwards Alain Chamfort - Le Plaisir Alaska - Emotions Amy Allison - No Frills Friend Amy Rigby - Til The Wheels Fall Off Anton Barbeau - Guladong Anton Barbeau - King of Missouri Atom & His Package - Attention Blah Blah Blah Ballboy - A Guide for the Daylight Hours Bangles - Doll Revolution Bardo Pond - On the Ellipse Beachbuggy - Killer-B Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress Ben Folds - Speed Graphic/Sunny 16 Bettie Serveert - Log 22 Beulah - Yoko Black Eyed Peas - Elephunk Bleu - Redhead Bluetones - Luxembourg Bogs Visionary Orchestra - Depression Special Bottle Rockets - Blue Sky British Sea Power - The Decline Of British Sea Power Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham - L'Avventura Britta Phillips and Dean Wareham - Sonic Souvenirs Broadcast - Haha Sound Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It In People Cafi Tacuba - Cuatro Caminos Caitlin Cary - I'm Staying Out Calexico - Feast of Wire Califone - Quicksand/Cradlesnakes Carla Bozulich - The Red Headed Stranger Carol Lipnik - Hope St. Cat Power - You Are Free China Crisis - Working With Fire and Steel Chitose Hajime - Nomad Soul Chris Smither - Train Home Chris Whitley - Hotel Vast Horizon Chris von Sneidern - The Wild Horse Clear Horizon - Clear Horizon Clearlake - Cedars Clem Snide - Soft Spot Club 8 - Strangely Beautiful Cobra Verde - Easy Listening Consonant - Love and Affliction Damone - From the Attic Dan Bern - Fleeting Days Dar Williams - The Beauty of the Rain David Bowie - Reality Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts Decemberists - Her Majesty the Decemberists Desert Sessions - Vol. 9 & 10: I See You Hearin Me/I Heart Disco Dir en grey - VULGAR Do as Infinity - True Song Dresden Dolls - Dresden Dolls Dressy Bessy - Dressy Bessy Drive-By Truckers - Decoration Day Dwight Yoakam - Population Me Eels - Shootenanny Eleni Mandell - True Country for Lovers Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic Fiery Furnaces - Gallowsbird's Bark Fischerspooner - #1 Fountains of Wayne - Welcome Interstate Managers Frank Bango - The Unstudied Sea Frank Black - Show Me Your Tears G D Luxxe - The 21st Door Garnet Crow - Crystallize George Usher Group - Fire Garden Glossary - How We Handle Our Midnights Goldfrapp - Black Cherry Goner - How Good We Had It Grandaddy - Sumday GrooveLily - Are We There Yet? Guided By Voices - Earthquake Glue HIM - Love Metal Honeydogs - 10,000 Years Hot Hot Heat - Makeup the Breakdown Jamie Hoover & Bill Lloyd - Paparazzi Jay Farrar - Terroir Blues Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music Jeffrey Lewis - It's The Ones Who've Cracked That The Light Shines Through Jewel - 0304 Jill Sobule - The Folk Years 2003-2003 Joe Henry - Tiny Voices Joe Jackson - Volume 4 Joe Strummer - Streetcore Johnny Marr + the Healers - Boomslang Jon Langford & His Sadies - Mayors of the Moon Josh Rouse - 1972 Jupiter Affect - The Restoration of Culture After Genghis Kaito UK - Band Red Kevin Shields - Lost in Translation soundtrack Kills - Keep on Your Mean Side King Missile - the Psychopathology of Everyday Life Kings of Leon - Youth And Young Manhood Kitty Brazelton / Dafna Naphtali - What is it Like to be a Bat? LFO - Sheath Laptop - Don't Try This at Home Larch - Only Pop Music Can Save Us Now Lilys - Precollection Lindsay Buckingham - Gift of Screws Lisa Gerrard - Whalerider soundtrack Liz Phair - Come and Get It Liz Phair - Liz Phair Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears Lyle Lovett - My Baby Don't Tolerate MF Doom - Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain Macy Gray - The Trouble With Being Myself Magic Dirt - Tough Love Mandy Moore - Coverage Manitoba - Up In Flames Mark Eitzel - Ugly American Mark Lanegan Band - Here Comes That Weird Chill Martin Tielli - Operation Infinite Joy Meat Loaf - Couldn't Have Said It Better Metric - Old World Underground, Where are you now? Minus 5 - Down With Wilco Mono (Japan) - One Step More And You Die Mood Elevator - Married Alive Mull Historical Society - Us Muse - Absolution Nada Surf - Let Go Nadine - Strange Seasons Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Greendale Nellie McKay - Nellie McKay New Pornographers - the Electric Version Noise For Pretend - Happy You Near Opeth - Damanation Outkast - Speakerboxx/The Love Below Outrageous Cherry - Supernatural Equinox Paddy McAloon - I Trawl The Megahertz Patty Loveless - On Your Way Home Paul Burch - Fool For Love Pernice Brothers - Yours, Mine, & Ours Persian Rugs - Turkish Delight Philip Price - Honey in the Chemicals Plush - Fed Postal Service - Give Up REM - In Time Rachael Sage - Public Record Radiohead - Hail To The Thief Rainer Maria - Long Knives Drawn Rapture - Echoes Redbird - Redbird Richard Thompson - The Old Kit Bag Rickie Lee Jones - The Evening Of my best Day Robert Wyatt - Cuckooland Robyn Hitchcock - Luxor Roseanne Cash - Rules of travel Rufus Wainwright - Want One Rush - Rush In Rio Salteens - Let Go Of Your Bad Days Saturday Looks Good To Me - All Your Summer Songs Scott Miller and the Commonwealth - Upside/Downside Shack - Here's Tom with the Weather Shalabi Effect - Osama Shins - Chutes Too Narrow Slumber Party - Three Snow Patrol - The Final Straw Some Girls - Feel It Soundtrack - A Mighty Wind Sparks - Lil' Beethoven Spiritualized - Amazing Grace Starlight Mints - Built on Squares Steely Dan - Everything Must Go Stephen Duffy/Lilac Time - Keep Going Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks - Pig Lib Steve Wynn & The Miracle 3 - Static Transmission Stew - Something Deeper Than These Changes Styx - Cyclorama Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway Super Furry Animals - Phantom Power Supersuckers - Motherfuckers be Trippin' Suzy Bogguss - Swing Swell - Whenever You're Ready Ted Leo/Pharmacists - Hearts Of Oak Ted Leo/Pharmacists - Tell Balgeary, Balgury Is Dead Tegan and Sara - If It Was You Television - Marquee Moon Terrence Trent D'Arby - Terrence Trent D'arby's WilldCard! The Caribbean - History's First Know-It-All The 88 - Kind of Light The Bangles - Doll Revolution The Church - Forget Yourself The Clientele - The Violet Hour The Dandy Warhols - Welcome to the Monkey House The Darkness - Permission To Land The Decemberists - Her Majesty The Delgados - Hate The Effection - Soundtrack To A Moment The Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic The Fall - The Real New Fall LP Formerly 'Country on the Click' The Fire Theft - The Fire Theft The Go-Betweens - Bright Yellow, Bright Orange The High Dials - A New Devotion The Hurricane Lamps - Sing Me A Song The Jupiter Affect - The Restoration of Culture After Genghis Khan The Larch - Only Pop Will Save Us Now The Libertines - Up The Bracket The Lilys - Precollection The Long Winters - When I Pretend to Fall The Loud Family - Attractive Nuisance The Magic Magicians - The Magic Magicians The Minders - The Future's Always Perfect The Skating Club - Bugs and Flowers The Strokes - Room On Fire The Thorns - Self Titled The Thrills - So Much For the City The Trolleyvox - Leap of Folly The Tyde - Twice The Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site The Webb Brothers - The Webb Brothers The White Stripes - Elephant The Wrens - Meadowlands Thermals - More Parts Per Million Thorns - s/t Throwing Muses - Throwing Muses Thursday - War All The Time Tindersticks - Waiting for the Moon Todd Steed and the Suns of Phere - Knoxville Tells Toshack Highway vs. Sianspheric - Magnetic Morning/Aspirin Age Tricky - Vulnerable Tris McCall - Shootout at the Sugar Factory Trolleyvox - Leap of Folly US Maple - Purple On Time Ulrich Schnauss - A Strangely Isolated Place Vienna Philharmonic - Brucker, Symphony No. 9 Walter Clevenger & the Dairy Kings - Full Tilt and Swing Waltham - Permission To Build Warren Zevon - The Wind Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site Webb Brothers - Webb Brothers Wellwater Conspiracy - Wellwater Conspiracy (daybed) Wheat - Per Second, Per Second, Per Second...Every Second White Stripes - Elephant Wire - Send Wirebirds - Past & Gone Wrens - Meadowlands Yo La Tengo - Summer Sun Zwan - Mary Star of the Sea sloan - action pact various artisst - Livin' Lovin' Losin': Songs of the Louvin Brothers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:51:30 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet Thanks, aaron! Aaron Mandel on 1/19/2004 1:38:14 PM wrote: > China Crisis - Working With Fire and Steel Um, didn't this come out like 20 years ago? And don't try to tell me it's only now on CD for the first time, since I've got a CD of it from the 80s. Besides, if that were a valid criteria, I'd be putting Classix Nouveaux on this year's list. Okay, whoever's responsible - fess up! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:15:59 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) It's really annoying getting one of these messages every time I post to LoudFans. I know I'm not the only one getting them, since Joe brought it up last week and posted about it. Hello, hello - is anyone out there? Is anyone administering this List at all these days? Latre. --Rog - ----- Original Message ----- From: postmaster@donsuemor.com Sent: 1/19/2004 2:15:13 PM To: rwinston@tde.com Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > micah@donsuemor.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Supersuckers - Motherfuckers be Trippin' My favorite album title of the year. Childish? Maybe... Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:30:18 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet - because quiet is the new Loudfans On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:38:14 -0500 (EST), "Aaron Mandel" said: > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Roger Winston wrote: > > > If it's not too much trouble, could you please do what you have done in > > years past and post what people have voted for so far? > > Ah, yeah, thanks for the reminder. And thanks for posting it, Aaron. > I did a quick check for duplicates here, but there may still be some. Mostly in the "The" category... > The Loud Family - Attractive Nuisance By its inclusion, are we to conclude that copies of this finally made their slow way to whatever furthest point from Loudfans' geographic center (hey, isn't it time for Brianna to recalculate that?) just this last year? "The Loud Family's Attractive Nuisance - Now in new Slo-Release capsule form!" Also, I'm pretty sure Bruckner composed his 9th symphony more than 100 years ago... How many people have voted? That's quite a selection of music...many of which, sadly, I haven't even heard of. Does anyone here have any spare hours of the day they could lend me, so I have time to hear some of this stuff? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:45:27 -0700 From: Dennis Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Roger Winston wrote: >It's really annoying getting one of these messages every time I post to LoudFans. I know I'm not the only one getting them, since Joe brought it up last week and posted about it. > >Hello, hello - is anyone out there? Is anyone administering this List at all these days? > > (require :humor) (princ "This is an automated reply. Please do not try to reply to this reply. Please do not discuss this reply with your friends. You have been unsubscribed from loud-fans. If this is not what you wished to have happen, tough luck. If you don't know what loud-fans is and you are puzzled by this message, tough luck. If you waddle and quack like a duck, you are a duck.") (exit) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:16:00 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet > As several people have already done, you can supersede a ballot > you've already submitted by just voting again from the same address. I sent a rough draft in quite a while ago, but I can't imagine that I changed it much, if at all, before finalizing. And since I haven't posted the final Top Ten here yet: 1. Zwan, MARY STAR OF THE SEA 2. Kathleen Edwards, FAILER 3. Atom & His Package, ATTENTION BLAH BLAH BLAH 4. Rainer Maria, LONG KNIVES DRAWN 5. Bleu, REDHEAD 6. Ted Leo/Pharmacists, HEARTS OF OAK 7. Rachael Sage, PUBLIC RECORD 8. The Weakerhthans, LEFT & LEAVING 9. Lucinda Williams, WORLD WITHOUT TEARS 10. Wheat, PER SECOND, PER SECOND, PER SECOND...EVERY SECOND And I think the next five were: 11. The Postal Service, GIVE UP 12. Dar Williams, THE BEAUTY OF THE RAIN 13. Salteens, LET GO OF YOUR BAD DAYS 14. Thursday, WAR ALL THE TIME 15. Admiral Twin, CREATURES OF BREAD & WINE And I saw lots of stuff on the master list that haven't turned up on lists posted here, so why aren't more people sharing their Top Tens?? Jer It's 2004 - time to gear up for November's Presidential election. Which candidate do you support? http://www.care2.com/go/z/election04 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Delivery Status Notification (Failure) (fwd) From Dennis re: the bounce messages: Sorry Joe, Best to address these to owner-loud-fans@smoe.org. I've taken care of it. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:04:07 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > >>Supersuckers - Motherfuckers be Trippin' >> >> > >My favorite album title of the year. Childish? Maybe... > > > When I saw them in August, the lead singer said, "We have a new album out called "Motherfuckers Be Trippin'", because... well, they do!" Maybe you had to be there, but it cracked me up. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:26:09 -0500 From: "Paul King" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet (sheepish grin) OK, I'm the culprit ... As for China Crisis, I only acquainted myself with that album this year (2003) after a friend lent me his CD. I got myself a copy, and quite liked it. At any rate, the following is my (perhaps demented and brazenly uninformed) rationale. I may offend the musical sensibilities (namely punk, and rap) of many people in the diatribe that follows. So if you think that you are going to be upset by what I am about so say, feel free to disregard this email. I am merely opining. 1. I saw nothing in the original email or the web page saying that the music had to be from this year. Accept my apologies if this is in error, but Aaron's recent email seemed to have confirmed this. I read "favourite" albums, so I thought he was going for an "all-time" list. 2. "Nothing from this year?" thinks I ... "That's great!" I thought, "because much of music from recent coupla years, IMO, sucked greasy cheese balls." In all honesty I cannot think of a single album from 2003 that I even marginally liked. I was going to suggest David Gray, but the album I was going to suggest was from 2002 ("A New Day At Midnight"). The album was "okay". This ranks as among the highest praise I have offered an album since the turn of the millenium. And, Johnny Cash's last album, ... well, that's country. I am not sure if including country and western was intended. I am not a country fan, and liked it, and so that says something about the quality of his work. 3. Don't get me started on much of what passes for punk and rap, and low- budget ripoffs containing outtakes of other people's music where people boost sales by the increasing number of times they say f**k on the recording. Or where no-one is playing instruments for more than three notes before the tape (or midi) loop kicks in. Or in "rapping" as a cop-out for a lack of singing talent. Not to say that there is some good stuff in each of these genres, but frankly once you recite poetry to a beat box, it's been done; move on. I lost interest in rap after Blondie did "Rapture". (Damn! I *knew* I should have included Autoamerican! (slaps self on head)) Paul King From: "Roger Winston" To: "the sound of the collective grumbling " Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet Date sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:51:30 -0700 > Thanks, aaron! > > Aaron Mandel on 1/19/2004 1:38:14 PM wrote: > > > China Crisis - Working With Fire and Steel > > Um, didn't this come out like 20 years ago? And don't try to tell me it's only > now on CD for the first time, since I've got a CD of it from the 80s. Besides, > if that were a valid criteria, I'd be putting Classix Nouveaux on this year's > list. > > Okay, whoever's responsible - fess up! > > Latre. --Rog ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:42:01 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet At Monday 1/19/2004 08:26 PM, Paul King wrote: > 1. I saw nothing in the original email or the web page saying that the > music >had to be from this year. Accept my apologies if this is in error, but >Aaron's >recent email seemed to have confirmed this. I read "favourite" albums, so I >thought he was going for an "all-time" list. Hey, ignorance of da law is no excuse, mister! You're going straight to Pop Music Obsessives Jail. Say Hi to Phil Spector for us. >Not to say that there is some good stuff in each of these genres, but >frankly once you recite poetry to a beat box, it's been done; move on. I lost >interest in rap after Blondie did "Rapture". Yeah, you just can't argue with... *spit take* Huh? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:57:26 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:26:09 -0500, "Paul King" said: > (sheepish grin) OK, I'm the culprit ... > > As for China Crisis, I only acquainted myself with that album this year > (2003) > after a friend lent me his CD. I got myself a copy, and quite liked it. > 1. I saw nothing in the original email or the web page saying that the > music > had to be from this year. Accept my apologies if this is in error, but > Aaron's > recent email seemed to have confirmed this. I read "favourite" albums, so > I > thought he was going for an "all-time" list. Hmmm. Part of me wants to say, hey, whatever music you listen to, all-time favorite or whatever, that's great - but the other part of me (which probably is the part that spots misplaced apostrophes from fifty yards) says, no, this has always been the "best-of" for the year, the point of which is to get some idea what people here think was the best music released during the last year. (Insert arguments about what "released" means, what "year" means, and what "last" means.) A list of either "favorite music all-time" or "favorite new discoveries of 2003, whether released that year or not" would be a different animal, methinks. (For the record, in the second category I've been listening to Clinic quite a bit - even though they don't appear to have released anything in 2003 that I can find.) While I'm at it, my favorite single last year was "Undress for Success" by McLusky (speaking of "punk"). > 3. Don't get me started on much of what passes for punk and rap, and > low- > budget ripoffs containing outtakes of other people's music where people > boost > sales by the increasing number of times they say f**k on the recording. > Or > where no-one is playing instruments for more than three notes before the > tape > (or midi) loop kicks in. Or in "rapping" as a cop-out for a lack of > singing > talent. You're right on all three counts - although I'm a little surprised that your perception of the list is that it favors "punk" and "rap" (me, I just put wiggly fingers around the words if I don't feel the music lives up to what the genre can be at its best). Punk, maybe...but it seems only a few folks here like rap. I'm not sure what you meant about the Johnny Cash thing - are you saying he's country and so shouldn't be included in the list (hey, talk to whoever included Bruckner. Yes, I know Bruckner's not country...)? I think he transcends country, personally. But the question of genre is a dodgy one: I think the further music gets from what very loosely can be called "rock" (I include hip-hop under the largest definition of that term), the harder it is to judge it on the same terms as "rock" albums - if only because the whole musical process is so different. When we say that "The New Pornographers' 2003 album is brilliant" or "The New Pornographers' 2003 album sucks completely because Neko Case doesn't sing all of it," we're talking about the whole package: new songs, new performances, etc. If we nominate a particular recording of Bruckner's 9th symphony, clearly we're not saying "Bruckner's 9th waxes any piece of music written in 2003" (even if we do think that); we're referring to the quality of the *performance*. Something similar might be said about jazz, depending on the proportion of newly composed tracks to interpretations of existing material. For me, if I'd bought enough jazz or classical to rank them, I'd have to do that in a separate list - for me it's like asking, "which is better: the Eels CD or donuts and potato chips?" (oops wrong list). - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:58:22 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] re sluggish list... I like Fidel Castro and his beard! - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet - because quiet is the new Loudfans On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > How many people have voted? So far, 30 (not counting Paul King's ballot, which I guess was the result of a misconception; Paul, you're certainly welcome to vote, but it is in fact intended to be a poll about 2003 releases). aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:53:20 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] man, the list is quiet At 10:26 PM 1/19/2004 -0500, Paul King wrote: > 2. "Nothing from this year?" thinks I ... "That's great!" I thought, >"because much of music from recent coupla years, IMO, sucked greasy cheese >balls." In all honesty I cannot think of a single album from 2003 that I even >marginally liked. I was going to suggest David Gray, but the album I was going >to suggest was from 2002 ("A New Day At Midnight"). The album was "okay". This >ranks as among the highest praise I have offered an album since the turn of the >millenium. Okay, Paul, take a deep breath and repeat after me: "You...kids...get...offa...my...lawn." Keep working at that. Meanwhile, your sweat-stained undershirt, striped boxer shorts and black socks with garters will be express-mailed out to you tomorrow. S ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V4 #15 ******************************