From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #377 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 1 2004 Volume 03 : Number 377 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] MP3 player question ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Tinker forever by chance (loudly)? [Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] MP3 player question It seems to be a slow list day and this list seems to be the repository of all knowledge, so I'll ask this off topic question here. Does anyone know of a good Linux MP3 player that will actually play the music on the computer on which it is running, but that is controlled remotely via a web interface? Specifically, I would like to hook my server computer (running RedHat 9) to my stereo (which is physically close to the server), but I would like to select the music and playback on my Windows2000 computer, which is on the other side of the room. Some browsing led me to some packages that seem to be able to stream music from the server to the remote web browser, but that isn't what I want -- I want the playback to happen on the server itself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:01:46 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question Well, this isn't what you're asking, but I think it's functionally equivalent. How about using a remote viewer on your Win machine to control your linux machine? (I use the one from realvnc.org. It might be included with RH9--at least, it's included with FC1). You would be directly controlling your Linux machine, but from your Win machine. Also, on the Linux-MP3 front, the latest hard drive player from Rio, the Karma I think, has a slimmed-down version of its software that's programmed in Java. In other words, it's Linux compatible. And it plays OGG files. Oh, and no one has mentioned the expected "mini-iPods" which should be announced next week. The rumor sites are saying they're between 1-2 GB of storage and should cost about $100. Sounds perfect to me. - --Michael John Swartzentruber wrote: > Specifically, I would like to hook my server computer (running RedHat > 9) to my stereo (which is physically close to the server), but I would > like to select the music and playback on my Windows2000 computer, which > is on the other side of the room. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:12:26 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:01:46 -0800, Michael Mitton wrote: >Well, this isn't what you're asking, but I think it's functionally >equivalent. How about using a remote viewer on your Win machine to >control your linux machine? (I use the one from realvnc.org. It might >be included with RH9--at least, it's included with FC1). You would be >directly controlling your Linux machine, but from your Win machine. Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can get that installed. It also looks like http://www.mserv.org/ might be what I want, but I need to spend more time looking into it. It looks like I could even have a native Windows program controlling mserv on the server. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:59:59 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question On Dec 30, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > Oh, and no one has mentioned the expected "mini-iPods" which should be > announced next week. The rumor sites are saying they're between 1-2 > GB of storage and should cost about $100. Sounds perfect to me. Yes, but don't make plans until The Steve holds one up next Tuesday. Apple might have some insanely great new thing, but Mac watchers have pointed out the reported flash memory based mPod can't currently come in at this price point. Maybe they got some of these - I'm probably in at $200 or less. - - Steve __________ Variety reveals that Disney is negotiating with Yuen Wo Ping, choreographer of groundbreaking actioners The Matrix and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, to helm a live-action take on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Penned by scribes Josh Harman and Scott Elder, the Snow update is set in the 1890s and follows a woman who returns home to Hong Kong to attend her father's funeral after 20 years abroad. She discovers that her stepmother is plotting against her and escapes to mainland China, where she seeks solace with seven Shao Lin monks who, in turn, come to believe the woman holds the fate of the world in her hands and protect her. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:13:05 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MP3 player question At 10:59 PM 12/30/2003 -0600, steve wrote: >On Dec 30, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > >> Oh, and no one has mentioned the expected "mini-iPods" which should be >> announced next week. The rumor sites are saying they're between 1-2 >> GB of storage and should cost about $100. Sounds perfect to me. > >Yes, but don't make plans until The Steve holds one up next Tuesday. >Apple might have some insanely great new thing, but Mac watchers have >pointed out the reported flash memory based mPod can't currently come >in at this price point. I doubt that buying one of these is the way to go anyway -- my friend Jim got a 10G iPod for Christmas and is ALREADY making noise about trading up to the 40G model as soon as he can swing the $500. He's not the first person I've known to get gripped by hard disk envy when it comes to iPods, either. I'm not saying I'm immune to it myself -- Charity got me the 20G for Christmas, and I admit I had a brief stab of yearning when I saw a 40G in the Apple Store at Cambridgeside last week -- but at the same time, I can't really imagine wanting access to 10,000 songs** at a moment's notice. I'd simply get struck with option paralysis and shut down: as it is, I think I'm going to be playing mine exclusively on random just for the surprise factor. (Plus it seems to me like there would start to be a certain amount of filler creeping into things after a certain point.) Whenever I get to be able to use it, that is: I've got a strained calf muscle that I hurt about a week and a half ago and keep foolishly re-injuring, so until this calms down through the good ol' RICE regimen, my daily walks to my neighborhood errands and the after-dinner perambulations with the dog are on hold. I could use it indoors, I suppose, but I already have fingertip access to as much music as I want in pretty much every room in the house! ** About this 10,000 songs thing: my friend Chantel and I were talking about how big an iPod she would need to hold her entire music collection, and I noticed that the fine print on the 10,000 songs statement assumes 128kbps mp3s at an average length of 4 minutes a track. I don't have a problem with the 128K myself -- I can tell a difference between 128K and 192K if I pay attention, but 128K doesn't bother me the way it does a lot of folks -- but I'm puzzled by the 4 minutes. I happen to have not all but certainly well over half of our vinyl and CD collection catalogued with a program called CD Collector (yes, it sounds anal, but ever since The Great Collation, I have trouble remembering what we own and if its on CD or vinyl) and out of the, let's see, 49765 tracks catalogued so far, the average track length is consistently around 3:33: no more than a couple of seconds shorter or longer ever since item #500 (a 1999 reissue on Castle of The Deviants' THREE and MONA THE CARNIVOROUS CIRCUS, incidentally...god, I frickin' love this software) or so was added. So I'm satisfied that at least for me, 3:33 is a pretty good average. That certainly includes plenty of 70+ minute free jazz improvs and 5 second linking tracks, anyway. So in theory, that additional 27 seconds per track would net you, on a 40G iPod, 270000 extra seconds, or 4500 minutes, or approximately 1285 extra songs (rounding down to 3:30 for ease of calculation because I was an English major who got crap grades in all my math courses). Now, of course, some of the 40G of the big-ass iPod has to get devoted to the FAT and the like, but would that really take up approximately 7-8% of the drive before the first song was even transferred on? Regardless, it seems like 10,000 songs is actually underselling its capacity for a lot of people. Stop me before I figure out how long these supposed approximately 500 full charges of the battery are going to last me... S NP: "Close Cover" -- Soft Verdict (on the iPod, just because I felt like playing with my new toy while I looked at my email) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:09:14 -0800 From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Elliott Smith I haven't seen this yet on the major news outlets, so I thought I'd post a link here. The coroner was unable to rule on whether Smith's death was suicide or homicide. LAPD has assumed to this point that it was suicide, but they'll be taking another look at the case now. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1483982/20031231/smith_elliott.jhtml?headlines=true Wishing him peace, - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:11:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tinker forever by chance (loudly)? On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 wsilvers@earthlink.net wrote: > Like Mr. Miller, I too would like to see an opinion or few that've had > some thought put into them. Somewhere I've saved a post of Miles on > this, but if he'd like to remind me, or anybody else has opinions? Taking about a third of each disc (which, while I don't have them on hand to check, seems like it should total about the right length) and selecting for Scottitude, catchiness, and approachability, I came up with: * sword swallower * jimmy still comes around * spot the setup * inverness * rosy overdrive * slit my wrists * my superior * it just wouldn't be christmas * still its own reward * sodium laureth sulfate * don't respond, she can tell * i'm not really a spring * asleep and awake on the man's freeway * where they go back to school but get depressed * where they walk over sainte therese * good, there are no lions in the street * why we don't live in mauritania * sister sleep * save your money * nice when i want something * blackness, blackness * no one's watching my limo ride "Total Mass Destruction", "Chicago & Miss Jovan" and the America cover would make good rarities, if it was one of THOSE compilations. a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #377 *******************************