From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #355 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, December 7 2003 Volume 03 : Number 355 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] LF live dvd ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] Re: [loud-fans] carbon-dated swap review #1: Steve Holtebeck'sswap discs (pt. 2 of 2) [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Yet another swap review [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] ATTN Denver Louds [Loud Fan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:43:04 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: [loud-fans] LF live dvd Quick question on the DVD - I'm about 3/4 of the way through watching it - - are the fans that are interviewed listers? The only one I know (because we've met a couple of times) is Steve "two eggs, four pancakes" Holtebeck :-) Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:14:40 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] list prep JRT456@aol.com wrote: >Virgin and Tower. For some reason, I wasn't inspired to check out European >availability. > > Insound.com is selling it for $5.20 for the US CD, Amazon.com for $5.98, if anyone is interested in ordering it online. Interestingly, I could only access Virgin's online store as an affiliate of Amazon.com, and it pulls up the same price and availability. Tower online wants $6.99 for it, and has it available as well. So, apparently they have got up to speed. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:20:14 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] carbon-dated swap review #1: Steve Holtebeck'sswap discs (pt. 2 of 2) Stewart Mason wrote: > At 05:29 PM 12/5/2003 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > >05: The Fifth Dimension, "Paper Cup" > >Fifth Dimension, Song #5... taking me back to my mom's reel-to-reel player. > >What are you doing here, trying to kill me? But boy, does one of the > singers > >sound like Stew or what? Did Stew cop his entire vocal sound from this guy? > > They're certainly an influence. Stew once told me of his ongoing battles > with engineers about current recording and mixing practices: "Make the > vocals louder. No, louder. Look, you remember those Fifth Dimension > 8-tracks your mom used to make you listen to in the car? I want the vocals > THAT loud." Speaking of Stew, he's profiled in this week's East Bay Express http://tinyurl.com/y0eo Getting back to the Fifth Dimension, "Paper Cup" is from their second album MAGIC GARDEN, which doesn't have any of their big hits, but I think it's their best album-length statement. According to the Nick Drake biography, this was one of Drake's favorites, and it reminds me a lot of Love's FOREVER CHANGES with more orchestration and stranger songs (thanks to Jimmy Webb). Must've been something in the L.A. water in late-1967. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:31:16 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] list prep In a message dated 12/6/03 1:14:27 AM, sleeveless@zoominternet.net writes: << Tower online wants $6.99 for it, and has it available as well. So, apparently they have got up to speed. >> I won't bother checking with Virgin, but Tower remains hopelessly obsolete. <> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:57:04 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LF live dvd Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: > Quick question on the DVD - I'm about 3/4 of the way through watching it > - are the fans that are interviewed listers? The only one I know > (because we've met a couple of times) is Steve "two eggs, four pancakes" > Holtebeck :-) I don't know about the two guys in Austin, but Larry Brantley is on the list. If I knew my first conversation with Danny was going to end up in the finished movie, I would've said something about salt flats. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:31:50 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Yet another swap review Stewart Mason sent me a collection aptly entitled _Much Better than the Prefabricated Concrete Coal Bunker_ - aptly since the phrase is from the Bonzo Dog Band's "Trouser Press," and the content of the mix was chosen by using the "random entry" feature at http://www.trouserpress.com. (The magazine was named after the Bonzos track, no?) 1. Lush "De-Luxe": one of my favorite Lush songs, from the _Gala_ compilation, in all its detuned glory. 2. John Wesley Harding "Summer Single": I think this one's becoming a swap perennial - I think it's shown up on at least three mixes. Anyway, not a complaint: a great example of its title. 3. The Mummies "Your Ass Is Next in Line": Rude, noisy, poorly recorded, and dubiously in tune. In other words, great stuff. 4. Human Hands "Hex": There was that period in the early or mid-eighties when all kinds of bands suddenly decided to do these spooky, vaguely mid-sixties-TV-horror-anthology-show theme songs. This one's got the requisite sideways chord progression and spooky organ tone, plus a grunting bass to add a different color. 5. Nikki Sudden "Jangle Town": It's odd to me that that noisy, clattery, not always successful but still often interesting Swell Maps produced alumni making these pretty tunes (Epic Soundtracks, and here's bro Nikki). It does jangle a bit, but it feels more melancholy than that. For some reason, the gods of randomness were favoring the '80s (or at least, that decade's sounds) in Stewart's search: loads of sopping reverb on this one. 6. The Germs "Forming": I'd forgotten how odd this track's mix is: all the instruments in the left channel, and Darby Crash's vocals sitting all by themselves in the right. It sounds oddly tame now, given LA punk's ferocious reputation: I think part of it is that the bass drum is louder than you'd expect, and so the hardcore drumbeat sounds weirdly like a fast mechanical polka... 7. Monsoon "Third Eye and Tikka TV": Normally I wouldn't like this sort of proto-worldbeat stuff, but I think the fact that it comes by its Indian influences organically, and its somewhat homemade sound (not overslick), mitigate that predisposition - but also, it's just catchy. 8. The Windbreakers "From a Distance": If it weren't for the mix's order being determined randomly, this would have sounded good placed after the Sudden track - vintage j-rock. I like the minor chord on the second phrase of the verse - adds a nice coloration. 9. Les Negresses Vertes "La Valse": We were listening to this mix in the car, and Rose asked whether this one (a waltz, as the title says) was used in _Amelie_. Anyway, if not, sounds similar - accordion, piano, vaguely French accordion-based melancholy. 10. Trisomie 21 "The Story So Far": Okay, I'm sort of a sucker for echoey reverb - in this case, used to create a lot of space around the spare arrangement (two guitars, vocals). Bedroom depressiveness at its finest. 11. Zones "Mourning Star": This was on one of Rhino's DIY series, right? I'm too lazy to look up which one, but the vocalist sounds familiar... It's got that horse-gallop rhythm similar to that of "Get Back," and kind of an anthemic sort of melody on its oddly-phrased chorus. 12. Starjets "Schooldays": Or is this one from the DIY records? (Maybe both...) Anyway, both sound pretty familiar to me. Pretty good power-pop with a slight punky edge. Irish, I think? 13. The Comsat Angels "Independence Day": Whoa, that tweezy flanged guitar harmonic thing is tres '80s! From vinyl, I'm guessing - a little off-center. Achieves a nice twitchiness, fitting the tagline "I can't relax 'cause I haven't done a thing / And I can't do a thing 'cause I can't relax." The second go-round of the chorus features this cool little bell-like sound - a nicely put-together song. 14. The Lurkers "Shadow": Lurking in the shadow of the Ramones, I'd say. Good god, that guitar's out of tune - sounds like an electric lawnmower solo. Still, I kind of like it, in a dum-rock sort of way. 15. Kramer "Insight": A cover of the Dead Kennedys' tune, from the _Virus 100_ compilation. A very odd cover, in fact. Strange mumblings from god knows where, sort of a circus-organ sound, and the whole thing delivered in a complete deadpan, plus a hilarious faux-harpsichord bit in the middle. Fulfills one of my criteria for good covers: being completely different from the original. 16. Cinerama "Model Spy": Okay, even if you don't know, imagine what a group called "Cinerama" would sound like doing a song called "Model Spy." Yep - it's a fake James Bond theme, with some swanky orchestrations (glockenspiel and a sound my Yamaha DGX-202 identifies as "cimbalom"), leading to a Love Unlimited Orchestra disco-porn backbeat, plus a middle section featuring flutes and bongos...fun stuff. 17. The Raincoats "Lurking in the Shadows": Trouser Press led Stewart only to the bands; the songs were his choice. I'm guessing the presence of The Lurkers' "Shadow" led to this particular Raincoats track being chosen. Is this from one of their later, reunion releases? It doesn't sound much like the stuff from their first one, the only one I have. Snarly, compressed guitar, vocals from a tincan, and a curious keyboard in the other channel...I like it. 18. Freur "Doot-Doot": Somehow I'd avoided having this song anywhere in my collection until now. Drum machine, fake handclaps, bouncing back-and-forth backing vocals, and that one guy's nasal singing - still pretty cool. 19. The Vibrators "Baby Baby": Nothing really wrong with this - but nothing really distinctive either. Vaguely punky in the vocals and bandname, vaguely poppy in the standard-issue chorus ("baby baby ... won't you be my girl?") - eh. 20. God Is My Co-Pilot "Oi Divchino": GIMCOP's shtick is singing old foreign language folk songs over clompy avant-punk backing tracks: okay, it's one of those two-step songs whose whole deal is getting faster and faster. But really, I still think if you've heard one of the band's songs, you've pretty much heard them all (at least based on the two-three albums I've heard). 21. Southern Culture on the Skids "Cicada Rock": Cramps farm team specializing in food rather than sex. In this case, we're singing about annoying insects, with a heavily reverbed, swampy geetar. Go ahead and turn it up - good fun. 22. The La's "There She Goes": A band cursed by, among other things, having written one completely perfect pop song. This is it. 23. Chickasaw Mudd Puppies "Cicada": The synchronicity meter was peaking here: I mean, what are the odds that random selection would call up *two* southern bands with songs with the word "cicada" in their title? (greater than calling up two Finnish bands with "cicada" in their song titles, I'm sure). Anyway, a bit more bluesy and greasy than the other cicada song here - add a salacious harmonica and what sounds like a homemade percussion rig and you're there. 24. C-Clamp "Saving Daylight": A long, droning instrumental introduction leads to a barely-there vocal (one of those songs you might misremember as an instrumental, in fact). They're going for "moody," I think...they almost make it. Not sure why, really, this doesn't quite work for me - probably it's just a bit too long (and it's already slightly edited here to make it fit). Not bad at all, though - just not quite there yet. 25. Ebenezer Obey "Oro Mi Ti Davo": Sunny '80s Afro-pop, with that distinctive, high-register guitar prone to play figures sliding down the scale a sixth apart. Is that a pedal-steel in there? I think it was King Sunny Ade who incorporated a steel into African pop - works pretty well. Anyway, thanks to Stewart for an intriguing mix - I like the technique enough that I'm likely to use it myself some time. I'll have to find another line from the same Bonzos track to use... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:40:38 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: [loud-fans] do not read! ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: Loud Fan Subject: [loud-fans] ATTN Denver Louds Any Denver area loud fan interested in going to tonights (Dec 6) Avalanche game email me ASAP off list. I have an extra ticket. Henry New Yahoo! 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