From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #352 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, December 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 352 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] mystery swap review [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] aegis of you ["Vallor" ] Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] every day is silent [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [Phil Fleming ] Re: [loud-fans] Huh? [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] John Vanderslice, meet John Vanderslice [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] aegis of you [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] overdue mix review #1 [Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] mystery swap review (I feel really stupid, because I lost the packaging and I therefore actually have no idea at all who sent me this!) Anyway, this disc is called "Mellow...?" and it's a really rather brilliant mix of current electronic stuff along the ambient pop side (I have to check out Zero 7 immediately, and their track also reminds me that I seem to have lost my copy of Air's MOON SAFARI somewhere and I really must replace it immediately) and '70s soft rock, some progressive (Floyd's "Fearless," Be Bop Deluxe's "Blue As A Jewel") but mostly of the singer-songwriter variety. I'm struck once again by how genuinely fine Fleetwood Mac's KILN HOUSE through MYSTERY TO ME period was. These are records I come back to every few years -- the last time it happened was when I found Bob Welch's FRENCH KISS in the dollar bins, which I'd loved as a kid, and spent a long snowed-in weekend playing BARE TREES over and over -- and as much as I like the Peter Green records and as much as I feel the FLEETWOOD MAC/RUMOURS/TUSK trifecta was their artistic as well as commercial peak, there's a mood to these records that I find incredibly appealing. Other highlights include my personal favorite Nick Drake songs and one of the very few Radiohead songs I genuinely like. Of the new-to-me material, Doves' "M62 Song" reminds me that I really must check out that album that everyone says is so good, and this is my first exposure to a track from Jimi's fabled NEW RISING SUN sessions, and it's marvelous. Anyway, thank you whoever! Woman of 1000 Years -- Fleetwood Mac Fearless -- Pink Floyd River Man -- Nick Drake Every Grain of Sand -- Emmylou Harris Harvest -- Neil Young Sweet Ghost of Light -- Robyn Hitchcock Heart Without A Home -- John Wesley Harding Raining Twilight Coast -- Robyn Hitchcock Pardon My Heart -- Neil Young I Can See Everything -- Poco You Wear Those Eyes -- The Cars Blue As A Jewel -- Be Bop Deluxe Yacht Dance -- XTC M62 Song -- Doves Everything In its Right Place -- Radiohead Into the Blue -- Moby Distractions -- Zero 7 Drifting -- Jimi Hendrix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:23:53 -0800 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] aegis of you > Word. Now if someone could just verify that Carl Newman is a Scott Miller > fan, and get him to go around acknowleding him as an influence we could push > Matador and............voila! Gerard Cosley is already a Loud Family/Game Theory fan as I understand it. Not sure why Scott never persued that avenue, I think it's because the LF were lodged into Alias and it wouldn't have been feasable. I also never figured out why Gil and Scott never ended up on a Golden Palominos record. Gil ? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:04:55 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] every day is silent I think Brianna meant this to go to the list, not just to me. later, Miles >X-Sent: 4 Dec 2003 04:18:06 GMT >From: "me" >To: "Miles Goosens" >Subject: Re: [loud-fans] every day is silent >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:18:09 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >thank you, miles! i figured there was a steve-review out there somewhere. > >from said steve-review: >"Brianna gave me a wineglass and a couple of coins to drop at the >appropriate >moment, but I missed the cue(!), just like I used to do when I played the >triangle >in my grade school band." > >heheh. i only gave them to you because i knew i'd flub it. :) > >i have a few words for the album anton did with Bevis Frond - mainly "i'm >not overly fond of it". it's not _bad_, just not my favorite style of >anton. > >tired as we were, ed and i both really enjoyed the show - how cool to get to >see scott and anton together - they are an odd and wonderful pair. > >brianna > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Miles Goosens" >To: "quercian rosicrucian psychobabble" >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:14 AM >Subject: [loud-fans] every day is silent > > >> In an off-list conversation, it's become apparent that not everyone got >the posts of Sunday, November 30th. This includes the eScribe archive, >which doesn't show a single post from Sunday. >> >> That's a pity, since those posts include Jeffrey's one-liner reply to >Stewart's pyrextechnics display, and perhaps more importantly, Steve >Holtebeck's account of Our Scott's Sacramento show. >> >> smoe.org archives to the rescue, however: >> >> http://www.smoe.org/lists/loud-fans/v03.n348 >> >> later, >> >> Miles >> >> last played: Starlight Mints, BUILT ON SQUARES ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:17:20 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Dread Scott Content Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting Gil Ray : > > > While I'm here, good job to Jenny for her interview > > with Scott! I just happened to see that on the LF > > website, there is yet another interview with him by > > someone else. > > Which contains this amusing (intriguing?) statement: > > "But now that I think of it, we [Game Theory] never did break up. > Technically, Michael Quercio, Joe Becker, and I are still Game Theory. > Maybe we should do a record." Has the Loud Family officially broken up yet? I enjoyed this exchange.. > GLONO: In the Live 2000 DVD, you gave the impression that there really > wasn't much "down time" between when Game Theory ended and Loud Family > started, almost like they overlapped. Is this the case? > > Scott: Not really. I never played in something called the Loud Family > and then later played in something called Game Theory. The exact question was that they *almost* overlapped, not that they *actually* overlapped. There actually wasn't more than a few months of down time between GT and LF -- I think Scott just decided to change the name of his band when Rob, Zach, and Paul joined him. Also, the LF didn't play "The Apprentice" on the DAYS tour. The Alison song they did on that tour was "Execution Day". She didn't write "The Apprentice" (or at least start performing) it until afterwards. But minor factual errors, and lack of aegis aside, it's a great interview, and one of the best writeups of Scott Miller's musical history I've ever seen. I don't know if Tom Durkin is still here (on loud-fans he was at one point), but if you're out there, good job dude! http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001022_loud_family.php Jen's interview is also excellent, so a "good job dude" to her as well! http://www.tonenandgroove.com/feature_1203.html I'd like to read Holly's Scott interview as well. There's still lots of time for someone to buy her book, read it, and send it to me as a Christmas gift, and I think Matt Weber's UC Library carries it too. ridiculously on-topic, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:04:58 -0500 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Huh? Many of you may be happy to hear that Fountains of Wayne got a Grammy nomination for Best New Artist. Of 2003, that is, not 1996. Jer np: Mates of State, TEAM BOO Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:57:27 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? At 01:04 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, jer fairall wrote: >Many of you may be happy to hear that Fountains >of Wayne got a Grammy nomination for Best New >Artist. Of 2003, that is, not 1996. Wasn't Bob Seger nominated for Best New Artist of 1976, after LIVE BULLET and NIGHT MOVES made him a star about, oh, a decade into his recording career? I think the Starland Vocal Band actually won that Grammy... They should take a page from the CMA's book and retitle the award: The CMA's "Horizon" award is for "career growth," which allows them to recognize what the Best New Artist Grammy also usually recognizes, i.e., a rise to sales and/or airplay prominence rather than necessarily being "new" to the recording world. It's worth its weight in avoided mockery! think I'm goin' to Katmandu, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? It couldn't be any worse than Shelby Lynne winning in 2001 after 10 years and 6 albums. She even made a snide comment about it in her acceptance speech. What's weirder was that her records didn't sell any better after the win. Phil F., whose surprised to see the White Stripes' ELEPHANT up against Outkast, Missy Elliott, Evanescence, and Justin Timberlake (!!!!!!!!) - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > At 01:04 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, jer fairall wrote: > >Many of you may be happy to hear that Fountains > >of Wayne got a Grammy nomination for Best New > >Artist. Of 2003, that is, not 1996. > > Wasn't Bob Seger nominated for Best New Artist of > 1976, after LIVE BULLET and NIGHT MOVES made him a > star about, oh, a decade into his recording career? > I think the Starland Vocal Band actually won that > Grammy... > > They should take a page from the CMA's book and > retitle the award: The CMA's "Horizon" award is for > "career growth," which allows them to recognize what > the Best New Artist Grammy also usually recognizes, > i.e., a rise to sales and/or airplay prominence > rather than necessarily being "new" to the recording > world. It's worth its weight in avoided mockery! > > think I'm goin' to Katmandu, > > Miles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:28:06 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? For a long time, most nominees for Best New Artist were actual new artists. That changed after Michael Greene instituted a star chamber policy after Jethro Tull beat out Metallica for a Grammy. Now, all Grammy categories are carefully rigged to provide a reasonably hip mix of nominees. Of course, the Best New Artist category was a perpetual embarrassment, so that's when maintaining any pretense of honoring new artists was thrown out the window. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:36:50 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? At 12:14 PM 12/4/2003 -0800, Phil Fleming wrote: >Phil F., whose surprised to see the White Stripes' >ELEPHANT up against Outkast, Missy Elliott, >Evanescence, and Justin Timberlake (!!!!!!!!) Actually, if the singles are any indication of the album's quality as a whole -- always a big if -- then Justin Timberlake's album is surprisingly good. I was surprised as the next guy to discover this, but "Rock Your Body" and "Cry Me A River" were both really good singles. There's no way Outkast isn't taking the award, though: no hip/hop album has made this much of a mainstream media splash in years, and it'll be a rare opportunity for Grammy voters to pretend to be hip while actually honoring an album that's worthy of the accolades. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? Ahhh... so that explains how Shelby Lynne avoided the "best new artist" curse. And how Paula Cole (with only one previously released album that went nowhere) didn't. Phil F. - --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: > For a long time, most nominees for Best New Artist > were actual new artists. > That changed after Michael Greene instituted a star > chamber policy after Jethro > Tull beat out Metallica for a Grammy. Now, all > Grammy categories are > carefully rigged to provide a reasonably hip mix of > nominees. Of course, the Best New > Artist category was a perpetual embarrassment, so > that's when maintaining any > pretense of honoring new artists was thrown out the window. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? That's my take on it as well. If there had to be another contender, it would be ELEPHANT. Between those two records, the amount of press they got could cover the globe about 720 times. Phil F. , who liked SPEAKERBOXX/THE LOVE BELOW very much, but would like it even better if the album wasn't so damn LOOOOOONG. - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > There's no way Outkast isn't taking the award, > though: no hip/hop album has > made this much of a mainstream media splash in > years, and it'll be a rare > opportunity for Grammy voters to pretend to be hip > while actually honoring > an album that's worthy of the accolades. > > S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:25:07 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh? In a message dated 12/4/03 1:00:01 PM, spin_jen@yahoo.com writes: << Ahhh... so that explains how Shelby Lynne avoided the "best new artist" curse. >> Well, to be fair, Lynne still fell to some kind of curse. That follow-up album was a real disaster both financially and artistically. And, strangely enough, it was a massive sellout from an artist who'd just won a winning battle in pursuing her own sound. The new one's pretty good, though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:29:08 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] John Vanderslice, meet John Vanderslice Remember a while back when, after viewing the DVD of RUST NEVER SLEEPS, I asked if the John Vanderslice in the credits was related to (or more unlikely, the same guy as) current-day singer-songwriter John Vanderslice? At the time, I e-mailed the latter to ask him that, and last night got a reply: >actually that john vanderslice is not related to me. he did, however, say >hello to me on this tour at san diego. it was unreal!! he showed me his >driver's license and everything! super nice guy, and he had his son with >him... So there ya go. off to see The Other Scott tonight, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:46:13 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Dread Scott Content Steve Holtebeck wrote: >But minor factual errors, and lack of aegis aside, it's a great >interview, and one of the best writeups of Scott Miller's musical >history I've ever seen. I don't know if Tom Durkin is still here (on >loud-fans he was at one point), but if you're out there, good job dude! >http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/001022_loud_family.php > Yes, this is quite a nice read, and it's nice to have the history encapsulated. >Jen's interview is also excellent, so a "good job dude" to her as well! > > Well, thankee. It was fun. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:29:23 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tris McCall (with Scott content) - --- Holly Kruse wrote: . > I'm > quite sure that my now-ancient interviews with Scott > and > the rest (Jonathan and Victor from Camper, Adam > Schmitt, > people from Rough Trade and Alias...! As I wrote, > these > are ancient -- it's a historical study) are soooo > under- > appreciated. Uh oh! Adam Schmitt! He's one of Stacey's faves ...Hmmm...Xmas....I could pretend this is a gift but sorta keep it..... Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aegis of you - --- Vallor wrote: > > I also never figured out why Gil and Scott never > ended up on a Golden > Palominos record. Gil ? Nobody ever asked us to do nuthin'! One of my biggest disappointments with the GT career was that we were never asked to open for a bigger band on tour. I thought it would've been a great thing, but...nobody asked..... I'll blame this on the bizarre notion that we just didn't have a manager when it mattered most. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:09:25 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aegis of you Quoting Gil Ray : > Nobody ever asked us to do nuthin'! One of my biggest > disappointments with the GT career was that we were > never asked to open for a bigger band on tour. I > thought it would've been a great thing, but...nobody > asked..... I'll blame this on the bizarre notion that > we just didn't have a manager when it mattered most. Nah - they just knew they'd get their asses blown off the stage by the juggernaut that was (cue dramatic fanfare for low brass; superdeep FM DJ voice) Game Theory! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. lw: Solaris (Soderbergh) ld: Lost Coast Brewery's 8-Ball Stout ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:07:52 -0500 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] overdue mix review #1 Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Michael Swedene sent me a mix disc, burned on one of those cool discs that looks like a vinyl record, and with hand-made collage cover art. Here's what it contains: 1- Grease Willy When a mix starts out with "Have ye got any grease? Then grease me up, woman!" you just don't know what's going to happen next. 2- 50 Cent Haircut- When I Was Dead Country fried cover with Dixie rock-ish guitars. 3- REM- It's the End.... 10/22/01 Typical breathless, breakneck speed version, but this one encases a rousing "People Have the Power." And a fine 60's protest time was had by all. 4- Zwan- For Your Love, French radio acoustic Apparently not a Yardbirds cover. Billy turns in an annoying vocal performance, but otherwise rather nice. The guitar and drums mesh very well. 5- Sally Go Round the Roses Is this the Jaynetts? I've heard so many covers of this song I'm not sure who is what. Lovely Motown girl group fare. 6- Work It Out With a Foxy Lady Okay, who is this by? A little disconcerting at first, but it works alright. 7- Worms What is this from? 8- Richard Cheese- Baby Got Back Hilarious lounge version. 9- Replacements- Skyway, demo Gentle, jangly, and reverby. I think I like this better than the regular version. 10- Radiohead- There, There, acoustic KROQ Never could quite get into Radiohead, so I don't know the regular version. Ethereal, reminds me of Jeff Buckley in places, but a bit too labored and drawn out. It loses my attention. 11- The Smiths- Handsome Devil, Troy Tate Sessions Fairly punchy version. 12- String Cheese Incident- Gin and Juice My dentist's son follows this band. This is the first thing I've heard by them, and it doesn't do anything for me. Not a style of music I ever cared for. 13- Weezer- Where Is My Mind Pixies cover. I haven't cared for any of the admittedly little Weezer I've heard. In this case, I'll stick with the original. 14- Sting- Message in a Bottle, acoustic Hmm... not sure what I think of this version. I just don't think the piano works for me. 15- Bjork- Human Behavior This sounds like a different version than the single. Whatever the case, it's a cool song and I like her vocals. 16- Warsaw- Transmission Wow, it sucks that this skips so much. Is it a flexi? At any rate, it's not on my Warsaw record. It sounds very much like Joy Div., so I'm guessing it was recorded close to the time of the name change. 17- Blur- End of a Century, acoustic Pretty straight version, just acoustic. No tempo change or anything. 18- Pearl Jam- Baba O'Reilly Minnesota, eh? Is this from an official or unofficial bootleg? 19- Pam Lucia- Walking on the Moon Not a Police cover. Jazzy Western style nonsensical song about meeting farm animals on the moon. 20- Bill Murray- Lounge Act Not a Nirvana cover, but that silly, loungy Star Wars tribute. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] overdue mix review #1 On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:07:52 -0500, Jenny Grover wrote: > > 6- Work It Out With a Foxy Lady > Okay, who is this by? A little disconcerting at first, but it works > alright. Ha! Freelance Hellraiser or Go Home Productions? I can't remember... this is a mashup of Hendrix and Beyonci, and it's pretty good. Not up to the standards of the Crowded House/Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre mashup, but it's alright. now ripping: Kiwipop mix for my iPod. Bats, 3Ds, Chills, Pop Art Toasters, Straitjacket Fits... Michael J. Zwirn http://www.zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #352 *******************************