From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #312 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, October 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: John Vanderslice ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: John Vanderslice [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] [Aaron Mand] Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... [wsilvers@earthlink.net] Re: [loud-fans] Your favorite band Teenage Fanclub [Steve Holtebeck ] RE: [loud-fans] Elliott & The Louds ["Micah Bedwell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Elliott & The Louds [Jenny Grover ] Re: [loud-fans] mrs. miller ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] mrs. miller [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Re: The Name of this Thread is... I forget... [Miles Goosens ] FW: [loud-fans] Re: And... ["John F Butland" ] Re: FW: [loud-fans] Re: And... [Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Re: John Vanderslice > OK, so Melissa and I finally bought the DVD of Neil & > Crazy Horse's RUST NEVER SLEEPS, which I've owned > (on Beta, no less) all these years, but she'd never seen it, > so we screened it a few weeks ago. This time, I noticed > that one of the names in the end credits was John Vanderslice, > doing something like soundboard stuff. Is this the current-day > John Vanderslice's dad? Chances are this is commonly > known among Vandersliceians, but I couldn't Google anything > on this. I expect this is the same modern day John Vanderslice, he owns/owned a studio in SF and may have been involved in some post-production work for the DVD release, unless that same credit appears on the Beta tape. Neil occassionally shows up in some strange indie places. I remember him (Neil) engineering or something for some Sonya Hunter track for Heyday. Hail Betamax- Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:17:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: John Vanderslice Dan Vallor: >I expect this is the same modern day John Vanderslice, he owns/owned a >studio in SF and may have been involved in some post-production work for the >DVD release, unless that same credit appears on the Beta tape. I don't have time to access either the DVD this morning (the Betamax tape is still at my mom's 400 miles away), but the credit looked like one that went with the 1978 recording/filming rather than the 2002/2003 preparation of the DVD release. I'll look again tonight if no one comes up with the answer before tonight. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:15:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] DR is for Dumptruck Reissues Rx for some of you, I'm sure... Anyway, according to the Miles of Music update that just landed in my inbox, Rykodisc is reissuing D IS FOR DUMPTRUCK, FOR THE COUNTRY, and POSITIVELY DUMPTRUCK on November 4th. IIRC, a lot of folks on these here lists have been looking for 'em. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:29:59 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... > Rhino's been releasing them in groups of > three...I wonder how that's going to play > out? www.elviscostello.info claims that ALMOST BLUE, KING OF AMERICA and KOJAK VARIETY are up next. Back when the series began I remember hearing that the discs were being grouped together by thematic similarities, although I can't imagine how, say, ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY has more in common with MY AIM IS TRUE than with THIS YEAR'S MODEL or ARMED FORCES. Nevertheless, this is the best reissue series that I have ever seen. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:17:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] At 10:48 PM 10/23/2003 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >I did buy >some other things though, including the over-hyped debut from The Rapture >(ECHOES), which was only $6.99. Sounds like a drum machine/keyboard heavy >version of early Cure mixed with... something. Pixies, maybe? I >dunno. I'm not sure yet if I like it. I haven't heard any hype on this band, which must mean that it hasn't reached a Strokes-like critical (heh) mass, or hasn't been advertised in FOGEY MUSIC MONTHLY. I'd think the band name would be a tribute to Siouxsie! Anyway, your comparisons read like a recommendation to me, and I just got a $5 reward certificate from Best Buy, so for $1.99 + tax, I might pick up a copy this weekend. >As I was driving back to work, I slapped myself on the forehead and >screamed "Forgot the Shins!!" Jeff's already done the honors on this line. The album I've been listening to the most this week is... the two-CD reissue of Kylie Minogue's IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS. I was completely seduced by LIGHT YEARS and FEVER, which offered super-tasty dance pop minus the vocal histrionics and power ballads that generally mar a lot of efforts in this genre. The LIVE IN SYDNEY DVD from the LIGHT YEARS tour only made me more of a fan -- she's not only easy on the eyes, but a diligent trouper who puts on a heck of a show. So when I saw new import reissues of Kylie's '90s albums, KYLIE MINOGUE (1994) and IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS (1997), I decided to pick 'em up. I haven't gotten around to the former yet, but IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS is a *huge* revelation to me. I had anticipated that at best it would be the prototype for LIGHT YEARS and FEVER, which would have suited me just fine. Instead, it exceeded every expectation I had for it. IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS boasts a far tougher sound than its successors -- not wall-of-feedback or anything, but harder-edged beats and mixing with more guitar than you'd think -- and it's far more personal. Not that Kylie ever puts less than everything she has into her other material, but she seems completely invested in these songs, giving edgy and emotional performances in a way that I've never heard from her before. I see several Manic Street Preachers in the credits, which I'm sure helped elevate the quality level, but seeing "Kylie Minogue" in the songwriting credits may be the real explanation for IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS' immediacy. "Too Far," "Drunk," "Jump," and "Dreams" are all stunners on an album of standouts, and the bonus disc of remixes is icing on the cake. If you don't like dance music, you should pass on this. But I can't recommend it enough to anyone who might be open to it. It's like Madonna, but with actual songs and actual talent. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:21:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... At 12:30 AM 10/24/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >The inutterable stupidity of this strategy is that it's not the >disc itself that costs most. Why not do like a million other >bands >have done and put out a 2-disc set priced like a single disc? >Hell >- Warners owns (all? part of?) Rhino, who's reissuing the entire >friggin' Elvis Costello catalog as 2-disc sets priced more or >less >the same as single-discs... And if they think they can't make money on it at retail, why not do a Rhino Handmade run? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:34:38 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... At 10:29 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, jer fairall wrote: >> Rhino's been releasing them in groups of >> three...I wonder how that's going to play >> out? > >www.elviscostello.info claims that ALMOST BLUE, >KING OF AMERICA and KOJAK VARIETY are up next. >Back when the series began I remember hearing >that the discs were being grouped together by >thematic similarities, although I can't imagine >how, say, ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY has more in >common with MY AIM IS TRUE than with THIS >YEAR'S MODEL or ARMED FORCES. Nevertheless, >this is the best reissue series that I have >ever seen. This may not be a question for Jer, who is, I think, experiencing CD versions of many of these albums for the first time, but is there any reason for someone who has the entire Rykodisc run of Costello reissues (i.e., me!) to buy the Rhino ones? Keep in mind that while I'm a Costello fan, he's sort of one step below a core artist for me -- there's a bunch of his stuff that's on a par with anything (MY AIM IS TRUE, THIS YEAR'S MODEL, GET HAPPY!!, TRUST, IMPERIAL BEDROOM, KING OF AMERICA, possibly BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE), to be sure, but the rest of the catalog isn't essential for me.* So I don't have to have every single note Costello has ever committed to a recording device, and to my way of thinking, I've already got perfectly good remastered versions of 'em all. I may have asked this question before, but since the Rhino campaign is reaching its closing stages and people probably have some more perspective on the new versions, I thought it'd be a good time to ask again. later, Miles *before anyone screams "where's ARMED FORCES?," I'll add my standard disclaimer: the songs are great, the performances are tepid and utterly smoked by the demos and live takes. So as long as I have the demos and live takes of those songs, I've got AF covered, thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > I haven't heard any hype on this band, which must mean that it hasn't > reached a Strokes-like critical (heh) mass, or hasn't been advertised in > FOGEY MUSIC MONTHLY. I'd think the band name would be a tribute to > Siouxsie! Anyway, your comparisons read like a recommendation to me, > and I just got a $5 reward certificate from Best Buy, so for $1.99 + > tax, I might pick up a copy this weekend. For $2, if you haven't already heard them, it's unquestionably worth it -- the tracks I already had from singles and compilations ("Olio" and "House Of Jealous Lovers") still blow me away. It's not for nothing that The Rapture and their producers The DFA were anointed as heroes of the disco-punk thing that's going on now. The rest of the album, I'm not so sure about. The guy's voice is grim and grating when it's not completely bypassing one's cerebrum by riding on the music's ass-shaking power, and said power isn't quite there for most of the other nine tracks. It might grow on me, though, and anyone who likes early PiL more than I do (not that I *hate* it) might find Echoes entirely agreeable. Even for $7, those two tracks... man. On the other hand, if you just want those two tracks, I might recommend the comps I have them on: Output Recordings' "Channel 2" and DFA's "Compilation #1", each of which has at least one other killer single. On the third hand, that's a lot more than $7, which is Universal's point. On the fourth hand, the DFA comp has LCD Soundsystem's "Losing My Edge", which is *really* essential listening... there's some kind of Windows stream of it at http://www.tigersushi.com/site/frameset.jsp?page=Rcd.jsp&RcdId=6181 and an illicit (but low-quality, hence excusable?) mp3 at http://www.nothingistrue.net/archives/000223.php a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:41:02 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... In a message dated 10/24/03 7:26:23 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: << but is there any reason for someone who has the entire Rykodisc run of Costello reissues (i.e., me!) to buy the Rhino ones? >> My own opinion is that the first three albums on Ryko don't require the Rhino updates, but everything else up to "Punch The Clock" is worth the upgrade. Never cared much about Elvis after that, but "All This Useless Beauty" has a bonus disc that really redeems the original release. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:52:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... Miles asks, re. the EC Rhino (vs. Ryko) reissues: This may not be a question for Jer, who is, I think, experiencing CD versions of many of these albums for the first time, but is there any reason for someone who has the entire Rykodisc run of Costello reissues (i.e., me!) to buy the Rhino ones? - --- I guess this is one that each of us has to answer for themselves. For my own part, I've asked the question before for the same reason and never have received an answer compelling enough for me to drop any money on this this set of reissued reissues. I'm this_close to picking up GET HAPPY V. 3.0, though- the bonus disc is giant and I only have a few of those tracks, I think. Opinions on other v.3's that substantially better the Ryko versions are most welcome, since as opposed to Miles: he's sort of one step below a core artist for me - --- he's *probably* the #1 guy in my personal preference/importance pantheon, insofar as such a designation means anything. So again, if I'm missing out on some "worth the extra $12-15 for the new disks for the heretofore unreleased tracks" for a given record, please let me know. I have not taken a hard, detailed, track by never before available track look at the issue up till now- just looed at the listings and mostly thought I had it or didn't really need the "unplugged" demo version of "Riot Act" or whatever. Miles notes: *before anyone screams "where's ARMED FORCES?," I'll add my standard disclaimer: the songs are great, the performances are tepid and utterly smoked by the demos and live takes. So as long as I have the demos and live takes of those songs, I've got AF covered, thanks. - --- You got those superior demos and live takes where? b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:09:58 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Your favorite band Teenage Fanclub Jenny Grover wrote: > > Chris Prew wrote: > > > Even worse than Teenage Fanclub's Thirteen? > > Uh-oh... I just picked this up for $1 at Goodwill today. Did I invest > unwisely? No.. That album's worth at least a dollar for the song "Radio". The second half drags a little, but there's something like 63 minutes of music with the bonus tracks, so even if only half of it is worthwhile, it's still a bargain! back to Chris: > Who is listening to and enjoying immensely the Fanclub's best of CD as > we type. Other than Catholic Education and Bandwagonesque, this is > really all you need. It might be all YOU need, but it's a far cry from all the Teenage Fanclub I need. I've never considered CATHOLIC EDUCATION terribly essential besides "Everything Flows" (included on the best of), but their last three proper albums (GRAND PRIX, NORTHERN BRITAIN, HOWDY) are solid and consistent from start to finish (IMO), and any Fanclub collection without "God Knows It's True" falls at least one song short of all *I* need. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:31:10 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Your favorite band Teenage Fanclub On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 11:09 AM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Jenny Grover wrote: >> >> Chris Prew wrote: >> >>> Even worse than Teenage Fanclub's Thirteen? >> >> Uh-oh... I just picked this up for $1 at Goodwill today. Did I invest >> unwisely? > > No.. That album's worth at least a dollar for the song "Radio". The > second half drags a little, but there's something like 63 minutes of > music with the bonus tracks, so even if only half of it is worthwhile, > it's still a bargain! My comment wasn't to suggest that Thirteen is a bad album, just that its heavily frontloaded. The first three tracks are stunning, the rest of the album is simply adequate to good. I wish I had more albums in my collection that could say that. One of those first three tracks isn't on the best of....can't remember which one off hand. For a buck, Thirteen is a winner. > > back to Chris: >> Who is listening to and enjoying immensely the Fanclub's best of CD as >> we type. Other than Catholic Education and Bandwagonesque, this is >> really all you need. > > It might be all YOU need, but it's a far cry from all the Teenage > Fanclub I need. I've never considered CATHOLIC EDUCATION terribly > essential besides "Everything Flows" (included on the best of), but > their last three proper albums (GRAND PRIX, NORTHERN BRITAIN, HOWDY) > are > solid and consistent from start to finish (IMO), and any Fanclub > collection without "God Knows It's True" falls at least one song short > of all *I* need. I stand corrected, not having heard the last two in their entirety. Fanclub is a great band that, for me, suffers from the "too good for too long" syndrome....despite the overall quality of their stuff, they've been around so long that their later releases fall by the wayside in favor of newer bands. See also: Superchunk, the Wedding Present etc. You....I....me....isn't this all just semantic niggling? :) Chris np: Fridge - Semaphore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:32:16 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Your favorite band Teenage Fanclub Chris Prew wrote: > One of those first three tracks isn't on the best of....can't remember > which one off hand. For a buck, Thirteen is a winner. The best of has two songs from THIRTEEN, "Hang On" and "Radio", which are tracks one and three. The one in the middle ("The Cabbage") isn't on there. > You....I....me....isn't this all just semantic niggling? :) This is loud-fans. You've got to get those pronouns straight! :) The other day I discovered by accident that emusic has the Teenage Fanclub/Jad Fair collaboration WORDS OF WISDOM AND HOPE, even though it doesn't show up under artist searches for "Teenage Fanclub" or "Jad Fair". Go figure.. Grab it while it's still "free"! http://www.emusic.com/cd/10667/10667319.html The Fanclub best of album is also on emusic, and a great way to spend 4766 seconds of your time and 100 megabytes of disk/iPod space. http://emusic.com/cd/10805/10805096.html - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:51:56 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Thirteen I recently was driving around in my car, and then at work, with nothing to listen to but Teenage Fanclub's Thirteen, and I'd either forgotten how much I liked it or liked it a lot better after letting it sit for a few years. It really has to be taken as an album followed by a fun, goofy EP of covers and stuff, though... it's definitely worth the buck Jenny plopped down at Goodwill, anyhow! I like the fact that their song "Gene Clark" sounds like Neil Young, while their song "Neil Jung" doesn't sound like Gene Klark... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:44:35 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Elliott & The Louds I did see Elliot Smith in Dallas a couple years ago. It must have been a good night. He soared. Micah Bedwell System Administrator DonSueMor, Inc. micah@donsuemor.com - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Mallon [mailto:jmmallon@joescafe.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:11 AM Cc: LFList Subject: [loud-fans] Elliott & The Louds On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Another candidate for my "songs by people who share my first name mix". > I saw Elliott Smith at a Loud Family show in Portland in 1998 (on the > DFD), and thought about going up to talk to him, but couldn't think of > anything to say to him besides "you ROCK, DUDE!". Alison Faith Levy was at the time an ardent Elliott Smith fan. When she saw that he was still in the audience, she asked me to give him some of her CDs, along w/ D4D. I approached him and gave him the CDs. He was quiet, but thanked me kindly. I also saw him at a packed show in '98 w/ Quasi. He wasn't a great live performer, but I love his music. Thanks to Scott for suggesting his music. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:53:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... At 10:52 AM 10/24/2003 -0500, wsilvers@earthlink.net wrote: >Opinions on other v.3's that substantially better the Ryko versions are most >welcome, since as opposed to Miles: > >>he's sort of one step below a core artist for me > >--- >he's *probably* the #1 guy in my personal preference/importance pantheon, >insofar as such a designation means anything. And he's certainly a worthwhile guy to sport that designation. For whatever reason, even at his 1977-81 peak, I never felt the personal connection to E.C.'s music that I did to Bruce, the Clash, XTC, Robyn Hitchcock, Ray Davies, Richard Thompson, either Scott Miller, Wilco, R.E.M., Jason & the Scorchers, Wire, Prince, Julian Cope, etc. I've always appreciated Costello, but it was always appreciation more than love (GET HAPPY! comes the closest to bridging that semantic gap). It's just a personal thing, and I suspect the differences between our respective tastes that have come into relief lately are obscuring a greater agreement on what matters in general. Certainly if the Bill Silvers Best o' 2001 collection is any guide, there's more than enough overlap. >Miles notes: > >>*before anyone screams "where's ARMED FORCES?," I'll add my standard >>disclaimer: the songs are great, the performances are tepid and utterly >>smoked by the demos and live takes. So as long as I have the demos and live >>takes of those songs, I've got AF covered, thanks. > >--- >You got those superior demos and live takes where? Why, if you have the Ryko THIS YEAR'S MODEL, two of the stellar demos ("Green Shirt" and "Big Boys") are right there. I think the live takes on Rhino's ARMED FORCES bonus disc (which I don't own) are some of the ones that I used to make my own alternate ARMED FORCES several years ago -- the '78 Hollywood High show? Cassettes of live recordings were another source, but those are currently buried in a box somewhere in the closet, not upgraded to CD. It's also worth noting the two times I've seen Costello live, while I was generally disappointed with the self-congratulatory mood of both shows, the music itself was excellent and AF songs were among the highlights. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:52:26 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Elliott & The Louds Micah Bedwell wrote: > I did see Elliot Smith in Dallas a couple years ago. It must have been a good night. He soared. > > > Ditto for when I saw him at Bumbershoot a few years back. Absolutely enchanting. It's the only time I got to see him. I'm glad it was a good one. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:40:53 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] mrs. miller A friend of mine sent me this link. I have to admit, I had never heard (that I know of) or even heard of her. Is anyone else familiar with her? http://www.mrsmillersworld.com/whois_bin/WhoIs.html Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:44:54 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mrs. miller >A friend of mine sent me this link. I have to admit, I had never heard >(that I know of) or even heard of her. Is anyone else familiar with her? > >http://www.mrsmillersworld.com/whois_bin/WhoIs.html Yeah, I've heard Mrs. Miller. Just like most other novelties and "real people" recording artists, I find her amusing to listen to for a song, but grating and ultimately boring in quantity. In other words, she's more interesting to read about than to listen to. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:51:41 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mrs. miller At 02:40 PM 10/24/2003 -0400, Jenny Grover wrote: >A friend of mine sent me this link. I have to admit, I had never heard >(that I know of) or even heard of her. Is anyone else familiar with her? I have a couple of records I picked up from Goodwill -- she was a big deal for about 20 seconds in the mid-'60s. It's cute, but nothing you need to hear more than once. And despite the press reports at the time, she *was* in on the joke. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:49:43 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The Name of this Thread is... I forget... At 02:28 PM 10/24/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Miles Goosens : >> But the MoB comp came out in '88 or thereabouts, and labels >> were still reluctant to go past 74 for several years >> thereafter. The original CD of Prince's 1999, fer instance, >> omitted "DMSR." Some CD players *still* have trouble with >> longer CDs. > >Dunno about "some players" - you mean the ones you pick up for >five bucks from some gnarly Deadhead college student's blanket on >a street corner? All of mine played the MoB comp fine, including a Sharp boombox and my first CD player, the 1987 Sears LX-7 (R.I.P.). That being said, I think the majority of complaints come from people with older and/or cheaper CD players, but you'll still hear complaints about high-end stuff every now and then. I think all I've learned from trying to follow this is "CD players are very idiosyncratic." >Anyway, once again, the same corporate entity proves you wrong >(not that *you're* arguing for Warners!): Captain Beefheart's >Trout Mask Replica was released by Reprise at 79+ minutes in >1989. Well, then they didn't have an excuse in the first place. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:57:50 -0300 From: "John F Butland" Subject: FW: [loud-fans] Re: And... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Miles Goosens > Sent: October 24, 2003 12:21 PM > To: quercian rosicrucian psychobabble > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: And... > > At 12:30 AM 10/24/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >The inutterable stupidity of this strategy is that it's not the > >disc itself that costs most. Why not do like a million other > >bands > >have done and put out a 2-disc set priced like a single disc? > >Hell > >- Warners owns (all? part of?) Rhino, who's reissuing the entire > >friggin' Elvis Costello catalog as 2-disc sets priced more or > >less > >the same as single-discs... > > And if they think they can't make money on it at retail, why not do a > Rhino Handmade run? > I suggested that very same thing to an online publicist acquaintance that ended up working at Rhino Handmade for a short time. At that time, the company was pretty much in disarray as far as having their collective shit together, according to him. There was no shortage of great ideas (Warren Zevon's Stand In The Fire was another that I put forth.) He thought that the concept behind the imprint was great, but he moved on in frustration a few months later. Make it 2 CDs and beef each one up if you can't pull an Elvis on 'em. Surely the band can't be philosophically opposed to that since they already expanded Stop Making Sense. And isn't there a Heads box set from rhino slated for the Xmas rush this year? Did I dream that? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:04:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: FW: [loud-fans] Re: And... At 04:57 PM 10/24/2003 -0300, John F Butland wrote: >> And if they think they can't make money on it at retail, why not do a >> Rhino Handmade run? >> > >I suggested that very same thing to an online publicist acquaintance >that ended up working at Rhino Handmade for a short time. At that time, >the company was pretty much in disarray as far as having their >collective shit together, according to him. There was no shortage of >great ideas (Warren Zevon's Stand In The Fire was another that I put >forth.) He thought that the concept behind the imprint was great, but he >moved on in frustration a few months later. I'm still amazed that the first reissues out of the chute after Zevon announced his illness weren't STAND IN THE FIRE and THE ENVOY, the two Zevons that have never been on CD. Maybe do a Costello trifecta and put out "Werewolves" best-seller EXCITABLE BOY (which also happens to be a super album) with 'em to get the casual fan looking through the "Z" rack in anticipation. That way, you get the "Werewolves" guy *and* the Zevon collector, and get a nice cash surge for Warren. I still can't figure out why SENTIMENTAL HYGIENE and WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE were chosen. (Did TRANSVERSE CITY come out too? I remember it being listed as coming out in the first salvo of reissues, but a quick search of Amazon and Tower's websites only turned up the original, out-of-print version.) I think there's been a Fegmaniax crossposting accident (Rex? Jeffrey? me?), but I know that somewhere, on some list, maybe even yesterday, I said that my "never on CD" pick was T-Bone Burnett's TRAP DOOR EP and PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT. I see this as another ideal Rhino Handmade project, and one that *could*, I *think*, fit onto a single CD -- though maybe we won't ask Rex to see if that works. ;-) >And isn't there a Heads box set from rhino slated for the Xmas rush this >year? Did I dream that? Nope, it's on the schedule, tracklisting announced and everything. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: FW: [loud-fans] Re: And... On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, John F Butland wrote: > I suggested that very same thing to an online publicist acquaintance > that ended up working at Rhino Handmade for a short time. At that time, > the company was pretty much in disarray as far as having their > collective shit together, according to him. There was no shortage of > great ideas (Warren Zevon's Stand In The Fire was another that I put > forth.) He thought that the concept behind the imprint was great, but he > moved on in frustration a few months later. One of the people working at Handmade - at least, he was a few months ago - - is Andy Zax, one of the music geeks from BEAT THE GEEKS, and a fervent Scott supporter. He told me that Handmade is working exclusively from the Warner Bros. catalog since Rhino was bought by Time Warner. I'm not sure how much of a return on investment Handmade is, but I would guess that TNOTBITH wouldn't be eligible, because it would sell far more than 5000 copies, and there are no legitimate rights issues. It's just an impasse between band & label, most likely because the label feels STOP MAKING SENSE is the cash cow live album. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:38:11 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 11:32 AM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On the fourth hand, the DFA comp has LCD Soundsystem's "Losing My > Edge", > which is *really* essential listening... Wow... (streams track) I want this. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:08:56 -0400 From: glenn mcdonald Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rapture of Kylie [was: shinny shin shins] > Kylie Minogue's IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS I'm a big fan of this one, too. The only drawback to it, for me, is that it's resulted in my being terribly disappointed by everything else Kylie did before and since... glenn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #312 *******************************