From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #309 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] elliott smith [Jenny Grover ] [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com ["Larry Tucker" ] RE:Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com full text [schmutz@erols.com] RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith ["Micah Bedwell" ] [loud-fans] Oops, Bill ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [wsilvers@earthlink.net] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [wsilvers@earthlink.net] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Slashed By Nash [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] This Beat is Buckertronic ["Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] elliott smith I just found out from another list that Elliott Smith apparently committed suicide. I haven't, as yet, found a news article about it online, but fan pages have tributes up, so I assume it is true. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:38:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Okay, what's up with the clothes on Gilmore Girls? Last night, Lorelai wore two completely atrocious, completely un-Lorelai outfits (the red plaid ensemble, and the black squiggle dress) - and that outfit Rory wore on her date? What, was the skirt meant to attract Minnie Mouse fetishists? Yeesh... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Jenny Grover wrote: > I just found out from another list that Elliott Smith apparently > committed suicide. I haven't, as yet, found a news article about it > online, but fan pages have tributes up, so I assume it is true. At this hour (8:30a) the Guardian is the only pure news site I've seen carrying the story, and it has a qualifier about "reports." The authoratative source is apparently an obit posted on Smith's website last night but Smith's webmaster, who has been unavailable for official comment. I'm still hoping it's just an ugly rumor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith Here's one... http://www.nme.com/news/106511.htm - --- Jenny Grover wrote: > I just found out from another list that Elliott Smith apparently > committed suicide. I haven't, as yet, found a news article about it > online, but fan pages have tributes up, so I assume it is true. > > Jen ===== ====== "Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'sir' without adding, 'you're making a scene.'" H.J.S. ====== ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:10:02 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith At Wednesday 10/22/2003 05:42 AM -0700, Pete O. wrote: >Here's one... > >http://www.nme.com/news/106511.htm Crap. I knew something was up when I was on my morning jog this morning and my iPod (set on random shuffle play with 7747 possible songs) played not one, but two Heatmiser MIC CITY SONS songs during the half hour run. I hadn't even gotten around to putting my Smith songs in the iPod yet, and MIC CITY SONS is the only Heatmiser album in there. Synchronicity strikes. I'll really miss him. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:17:32 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Roger Winston > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:10 AM > To: plants & animals > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith > > > At Wednesday 10/22/2003 05:42 AM -0700, Pete O. wrote: > >Here's one... > > > >http://www.nme.com/news/106511.htm > > Crap. > > I knew something was up when I was on my morning jog this > morning and my > iPod (set on random shuffle play with 7747 possible songs) > played not one, > but two Heatmiser MIC CITY SONS songs during the half hour > run. I hadn't > even gotten around to putting my Smith songs in the iPod yet, > and MIC CITY > SONS is the only Heatmiser album in there. Synchronicity strikes. > > I'll really miss him. MAN THIS SUCKS! I'm more bummed out by this than by any other rock and roll death in recent memory. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:18:18 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] LF DVD So, anyone else watch their Loud Family DVD yet? Any opinions? Any new road food suggestions for Gil? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:56:55 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com More here. http://tinyurl.com/rvwe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:28:07 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com Larry Tucker on 10/22/2003 7:56:55 AM wrote: > More here. > > http://tinyurl.com/rvwe Could someone please post the text of this? For some asinine reason I'm not privy to, mtv.com is blocked at my place of work. Wouldn't want the workers reading the latest Real World/Road Rules updates, would we? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:30:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey asks: Okay, what's up with the clothes on Gilmore Girls? Last night, Lorelai wore two completely atrocious, completely un-Lorelai outfits (the red plaid ensemble, and the black squiggle dress) - - --- I thought the un-Lorelai-ness of the clothing was shift-in-my chair fantastic. I can't wait for the cheerleader costume scheduled for next week. Isn't it all a subtle homage to (the former)Norma Kuzma's guest spot on the show? b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > I'll really miss him. Me too. I can only think of one other rock death that's affected me, and by a sad coincidence, that was Jon Easley of Crown Heights. The coincidence, see, is that the only time I saw either one of them perform, both Crown Heights and Smith solo were in town on the same night. Luckily, they were playing upstairs and downstairs at the Middle East (respectively) with slightly different set times. I figured I could watch the first two-thirds of Crown Heights' set and then go downstairs for the latter two-thirds of Smith's. There were maybe ten or fifteen people there to see Crown Heights, with that conspicuously empty half-circle in front of the stage that you get when nobody's willing to be the only one expressing serious interest in the band. Easley was clearly pissed off at the size of the crowd; when one guy shouted out the name of a song, Easley responded, "How do you know that song? Who are you?" And yet they were great. I stayed for the whole set. When I went downstairs, Smith's show was already in full swing. It was nearly sold out, but the crowd was packed in so tightly by the stage that it was easy for me to get close. Smith fubbed almost every song, trailing off and saying, "Oh man, you guys must hate me. I suck." Then dozens of voices from the audience would shout, "No, we love you!" He finally mustered the stamina to play a few songs all the way through, and they were good, but I was left with the feeling that he was a self-indulgent performer. A year or two later, I heard that Easley had died of a heroin overdose, maybe intentionally, maybe not. I've never found more details -- he wasn't a big name -- so I don't know what the whole story was. That solidified a mild grudge against Smith that I had been nursing, though... okay, he's depressed; big deal. So are a lot of people. The guy couldn't get it together to do a decent show, I said to myself, while a *different* morose junkie with fewer fans and no Oscar nomination had at least rocked an empty room in the same building. I was still happy to listen to Smith's music, but I found myself lacking in sympathy for him. So now I feel like an asshole. A sad one. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:29 -0400 From: schmutz@erols.com Subject: RE:Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com full text from MTV: Folk-punk singer/songwriter Elliott Smith has died of an apparent suicide, according to the Los Angeles County Department of the Coroner's office. Smith's body was found in his apartment, in the Silverlake section of Los Angeles, by a female friend, who took him to a local hospital at approximately 12:18 p.m. on Tuesday. He was pronounced dead at Los Angeles County University of Southern California Medical Center just over an hour later. He was 34. A single knife wound that appeared to be self-inflicted was evident on the body, though police detectives are investigating the incident for foul play and/or other possibilities. No other details were available at press time. Smith (real name Steven Paul Smith) had battled drug and alcohol addiction throughout his career. His first two albums, 1994's Roman Candle and the next year's self-titled LP for Olympia, Washington's Kill Rock Stars label, intimated these subjects with haunting, sparsely recorded acoustic songs such as "Needle in the Hay" that drew comparisons to 1960s singer/ songwriter Nick Drake and Simon and Garfunkel. He reportedly cleaned up midway through his career, but the problem was believed to have escalated in recent years due to a reclusive nature and sporadic public performances. A cornerstone of the indie-rock scene in Portland, Oregon, in the mid-1990s, Smith gained critical acclaim with 1997's Either/Or and 1998's XO, albums that best demonstrated his ability to delicately deliver poetic, emotional lyrics and beautifully dark, lush pop melodies. "Miss Misery," his contribution to the film "Good Will Hunting" that earned him an Academy Award nomination in 1997, brought mainstream recognition to the artist regarded as a figurehead of the indie-rock underground, and influenced such artists as Bright Eyes and Dashboard Confessional. Born August 6, 1969 in Omaha, Nebraska, Smith grew up near Dallas and took an interest in music at age 9, and began writing and recording original compositions as a teenager. He moved to Portland in high school, where he played in a local band, before attending Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts. Returning to Portland, he formed the alternative-rock quartet Heatmiser with future Quasi member Sam Coomes. The band released three albums and disbanded after hitting its creative stride with 1996's Mic City Sons. While still a member of Heatmiser, Smith retreated to his basement to focus on more intimate material in vast contrast to Heatmiser's heavier sound. Roman Candle, on which he played all the instruments, was recorded on a four-track and epitomized the lo-fi DIY aesthetic while showcasing Smith's talent to craft emotive song structures that emphasized the dark themes of his lyrics. The promise of a great songwriter was furthered on Smith's self-titled album. While keeping with an overall melancholy vibe, he concentrated on beautifying the melodies. The songs floated like lullabies, though the lyrics could disrupt sleep for weeks. Smith continued to play all the instruments on 1997's Either/Or, while focusing on the arrangements. Dramatic constructions combine with Smith's eerily potent stripped-down fare for the album that cemented his role in the indie-folk pantheon. At the time of the LP's release, filmmaker and Portland native Gus Van Sant used Smith's music for the soundtrack to "Good Will Hunting." Smith performed "Miss Misery," which was nominated for Best Original Song, at the Academy Awards show in April 1998. The Oscar went to Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On," from "Titanic," though simply being nominated helped his subsequent LP, 1998's XO, become Smith's best-selling album. XO and his final album, 2000's Figure 8, both released on major-label DreamWorks Records, were marked by lush textures and acoustic melodies inspired by the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson and latter-day Beatles, that brimmed with a sunny brilliance, but still retained Smith's keen commentaries and forlorn sentiments. He had been working on a follow-up album, From a Basement on the Hill, at the time of his death (see "Elliott Smith Flying Solo On Next LP, But It Won't Sound Like It"). The limited-edition 7-inch single "Pretty (Ugly Before)" was released in August on Seattle indie Suicide Squeeze Records, and the previously unreleased songs "Splittsville" and the instrumental "Snowbunny's Serenade" appear in the film "Southlander: Diary of a Desperate Musician," directed by Silverlake resident Steve Hanft, who's helmed videos for Beck. After limited theatrical showings, the movie was released on DVD October 7. In June, Smith performed on the second stage of the Field Day festival in East Rutherford, New Jersey, which was headlined by the Beastie Boys, Radiohead, and Blur. A brief tour of the U.S. followed. He was scheduled to perform at the All Tomorrow's Parties festival in Los Angeles on November 9. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com™ - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:39:34 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Roger Winston > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:28 AM > To: the sound of the collective grumbling > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith on mtv.com > > > Larry Tucker on 10/22/2003 7:56:55 AM wrote: > > > More here. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rvwe > > Could someone please post the text of this? For some asinine > reason I'm not privy to, mtv.com is blocked at my place of > work. Wouldn't want the workers reading the latest Real > World/Road Rules updates, would we? > > Latre. --Rog Here you go Rog: ============================================== Folk-punk singer/songwriter Elliott Smith has died of an apparent suicide, according to the Los Angeles County Department of the Coroner's office. Smith's body was found in his apartment, in the Silverlake section of Los Angeles, by a female friend, who took him to a local hospital at approximately 12:18 p.m. on Tuesday. He was pronounced dead at Los Angeles County University of Southern California Medical Center just over an hour later. He was 34. A single knife wound that appeared to be self-inflicted was evident on the body, though police detectives are investigating the incident for foul play and/or other possibilities. No other details were available at press time. Smith (real name Steven Paul Smith) had battled drug and alcohol addiction throughout his career. His first two albums, 1994's Roman Candle and the next year's self-titled LP for Olympia, Washington's Kill Rock Stars label, intimated these subjects with haunting, sparsely recorded acoustic songs such as "Needle in the Hay" that drew comparisons to 1960s singer/songwriter Nick Drake and Simon and Garfunkel. He reportedly cleaned up midway through his career, but the problem was believed to have escalated in recent years due to a reclusive nature and sporadic public performances. A cornerstone of the indie-rock scene in Portland, Oregon, in the mid-1990s, Smith gained critical acclaim with 1997's Either/Or and 1998's XO, albums that best demonstrated his ability to delicately deliver poetic, emotional lyrics and beautifully dark, lush pop melodies. "Miss Misery," his contribution to the film "Good Will Hunting" that earned him an Academy Award nomination in 1997, brought mainstream recognition to the artist regarded as a figurehead of the indie-rock underground, and influenced such artists as Bright Eyes and Dashboard Confessional. Born August 6, 1969 in Omaha, Nebraska, Smith grew up near Dallas and took an interest in music at age 9, and began writing and recording original compositions as a teenager. He moved to Portland in high school, where he played in a local band, before attending Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts. Returning to Portland, he formed the alternative-rock quartet Heatmiser with future Quasi member Sam Coomes. The band released three albums and disbanded after hitting its creative stride with 1996's Mic City Sons. While still a member of Heatmiser, Smith retreated to his basement to focus on more intimate material in vast contrast to Heatmiser's heavier sound. Roman Candle, on which he played all the instruments, was recorded on a four-track and epitomized the lo-fi DIY aesthetic while showcasing Smith's talent to craft emotive song structures that emphasized the dark themes of his lyrics. The promise of a great songwriter was furthered on Smith's self-titled album. While keeping with an overall melancholy vibe, he concentrated on beautifying the melodies. The songs floated like lullabies, though the lyrics could disrupt sleep for weeks. Smith continued to play all the instruments on 1997's Either/Or, while focusing on the arrangements. Dramatic constructions combine with Smith's eerily potent stripped-down fare for the album that cemented his role in the indie-folk pantheon. At the time of the LP's release, filmmaker and Portland native Gus Van Sant used Smith's music for the soundtrack to "Good Will Hunting." Smith performed "Miss Misery," which was nominated for Best Original Song, at the Academy Awards show in April 1998. The Oscar went to Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On," from "Titanic," though simply being nominated helped his subsequent LP, 1998's XO, become Smith's best-selling album. XO and his final album, 2000's Figure 8, both released on major-label DreamWorks Records, were marked by lush textures and acoustic melodies inspired by the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson and latter-day Beatles, that brimmed with a sunny brilliance, but still retained Smith's keen commentaries and forlorn sentiments. He had been working on a follow-up album, From a Basement on the Hill, at the time of his death (see "Elliott Smith Flying Solo On Next LP, But It Won't Sound Like It"). The limited-edition 7-inch single "Pretty (Ugly Before)" was released in August on Seattle indie Suicide Squeeze Records, and the previously unreleased songs "Splittsville" and the instrumental "Snowbunny's Serenade" appear in the film "Southlander: Diary of a Desperate Musician," directed by Silverlake resident Steve Hanft, who's helmed videos for Beck. After limited theatrical showings, the movie was released on DVD October 7. In June, Smith performed on the second stage of the Field Day festival in East Rutherford, New Jersey, which was headlined by the Beastie Boys, Radiohead, and Blur. A brief tour of the U.S. followed. He was scheduled to perform at the All Tomorrow's Parties festival in Los Angeles on November 9. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:49:59 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls >Okay, what's up with the clothes on Gilmore Girls? Last night, >Lorelai wore two completely atrocious, completely un-Lorelai >outfits (the red plaid ensemble, and the black squiggle dress) - Maybe they're just trying to get us mentally prepared for Lauren Graham's role in the upcoming BAD SANTA. _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:15:57 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith I can't believe this. That fucker. Micah Bedwell System Administrator DonSueMor, Inc. micah@donsuemor.com - -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tucker [mailto:ltucker@townofchapelhill.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:18 AM To: Roger Winston; plants & animals Subject: RE: [loud-fans] elliott smith > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Roger Winston > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:10 AM > To: plants & animals > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] elliott smith > > > At Wednesday 10/22/2003 05:42 AM -0700, Pete O. wrote: > >Here's one... > > > >http://www.nme.com/news/106511.htm > > Crap. > > I knew something was up when I was on my morning jog this > morning and my > iPod (set on random shuffle play with 7747 possible songs) > played not one, > but two Heatmiser MIC CITY SONS songs during the half hour > run. I hadn't > even gotten around to putting my Smith songs in the iPod yet, > and MIC CITY > SONS is the only Heatmiser album in there. Synchronicity strikes. > > I'll really miss him. MAN THIS SUCKS! I'm more bummed out by this than by any other rock and roll death in recent memory. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:39:03 -0700 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Oops, Bill Very sorry about that last one, kinda lost control of the mouse...it had no content from me... > Yeah! And since it "proves [Mills'] got all the talent in the band," are > there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form simple chords > on the ukulele, Pete Buck's Buckertronics (Featuring Even More > Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the words on completely serious > takes of "The Funny Little Clown" and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? I've heard a batch of Bill Berry demos, not really demos - more like home tapes, back in 1982 when I was in LA hanging out with them. Surprisingly, they sounded quite a bit like Silver Apples or perhaps later Suicide and they were really good. I recall something about the solo 12" "13111" but I don't recall it being much good, more "rootsy" I guess. Back in '82 I expect he had a lot more time to just screw around, they were in LA waiting for Chronic Town to come out. But I love to watch backlash at work. Despite my better instincts, a little schadenfreude goes a long way. Me, I liked Fables of the Reconstruction and even liked Lifes Rich Pageant and Document, but those two showed a steady decline as far as my tastes go. "The One I Love" seems a particularly hateful song to me. The subsequent three were barely worth keeping for me, Green had one great song, that being the untitled track at the end, likewise Out of Time with "Me in Honey" and Automatic For The People with "Nightswimming". Really, I just gave up after three disappointments and haven't even heard anything after Automatic For The People. It's a good thing Let's Active dissolved after Every Dog Has His Day, or we'd be having the same conversation, that album was a huge step down. > Anyway, ARC isn't something I want to play again and again, > but neither is METAL MACHINE MUSIC, yet I'm glad my collection > includes both of them. I am a fan of Metal Machine Music and find it to be substantially more complex than it's given credit for, it's genuinly symphonic at times. - - Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls well, there WAS that mention of the Belle and Sebastian t-shirt lef tin the trash can... that must count for something. brianna On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:49:59 -0400, "Aaron Milenski" wrote: > > >Okay, what's up with the clothes on Gilmore Girls? > Last night, > >Lorelai wore two completely atrocious, completely > un-Lorelai > >outfits (the red plaid ensemble, and the black > squiggle dress) - > > Maybe they're just trying to get us mentally prepared > for > Lauren Graham's role in the upcoming BAD SANTA. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra > Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es - -- What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? - Calvin - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/cat_techterror.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:09:17 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls At 09:30 AM 10/22/2003 -0500, wsilvers@earthlink.net wrote: >Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey asks: > >Okay, what's up with the clothes on Gilmore Girls? Last night, >Lorelai wore two completely atrocious, completely un-Lorelai >outfits (the red plaid ensemble, and the black squiggle dress) - > >--- > >I thought the un-Lorelai-ness of the clothing was shift-in-my chair fantastic. I'm with Bill, I thought the preppy-nerdy outfit was moderately stunning. I actually didn't notice anything about Rory's ensembles, although Charity yelled out "For godsakes, Rory, don't go out in that, it's hideous!" when she left with Awkward Date Guy. I don't know what was wrong with it, but then, I don't claim any expertise on the subject of female fashion. S NP: BLIND WINDOWS -- Nash the Slash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:16:04 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 11:09 AM, Stewart Mason wrote: > > I'm with Bill, I thought the preppy-nerdy outfit was moderately > stunning. Yeah, me too, although I didn't shift in my chair or anything. > I actually didn't notice anything about Rory's ensembles, although > Charity > yelled out "For godsakes, Rory, don't go out in that, it's hideous!" > when > she left with Awkward Date Guy. I don't know what was wrong with it, > but > then, I don't claim any expertise on the subject of female fashion. The skirt fit badly, and the chains on the sweater and the buttons on the skirt clashed, and not in a good way. My theory was that it was supposed to be hideous - that with Paris and Tana as second opinions instead of Lorelai, we're gonna see some badly dressed Rory for a while. Of course, my theories are often if not always wildly misguided... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:29:24 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls At 11:16 AM 10/22/2003 -0700, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >> I actually didn't notice anything about Rory's ensembles, although >> Charity >> yelled out "For godsakes, Rory, don't go out in that, it's hideous!" >> when >> she left with Awkward Date Guy. I don't know what was wrong with it, >> but >> then, I don't claim any expertise on the subject of female fashion. > >The skirt fit badly, and the chains on the sweater and the buttons on >the skirt clashed, and not in a good way. My theory was that it was >supposed to be hideous - that with Paris and Tana as second opinions >instead of Lorelai, we're gonna see some badly dressed Rory for a >while. Of course, my theories are often if not always wildly >misguided... I dunno, that really makes perfect sense to me! I can see the costume designers on this show making choices like that. I suppose I could go back and look at the tape, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't recognize the fashion faux pas even with this information in hand. Weeks of faithful Queer Eye for the Straight Guy viewing have only gotten me as far as recognizing that I dress terribly, but not far enough that I can do much more than question my choices. I'm looking at what I have on now and thinking "I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be wearing white ankle socks with black shoes and black jeans...and is it okay to wear a navy blue t-shirt with black jeans, anyway?" Frankly, it's just been making me self-conscious. One fashion thing I've noticed: with her new haircut, Alexis Bledel now bears a certain resemblance to our own Mrs. Brion. S NP: THE JAZZ SCENE: SAN FRANCISCO -- Various Artists ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:41:03 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Stewart Mason on 10/22/2003 12:29:24 PM wrote: > and is it okay to wear a navy blue t-shirt with black jeans, anyway? I figure since it's okay (isn't it?) to wear a black shirt with blue jeans, it must be okay to wear a blue shirt with black jeans. Right? The QE guys wouldn't know where to even start with me. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:55:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Elizabeth Brion replied: > I'm with Bill, I thought the preppy-nerdy outfit was moderately > stunning. Yeah, me too, although I didn't shift in my chair or anything. - --- Vive le difference, Elizabeth. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:03:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: wsilvers@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Stewart replied: >I thought the un-Lorelai-ness of the clothing was shift-in-my chair fantastic. I'm with Bill, I thought the preppy-nerdy outfit was moderately stunning. I actually didn't notice anything about Rory's ensembles, although Charity yelled out "For godsakes, Rory, don't go out in that, it's hideous!" when she left with Awkward Date Guy. I don't know what was wrong with it, but then, I don't claim any expertise on the subject of female fashion. - --- Since I'm approaching this in full-on horndog mode, I guess I'll go ahead and mention that getting Paris out of the Chilton uniform is having a salutary effect on her decided hubba-hubba factor. Yow. Traci Lords-something or other, OTOH, seemed decidedly subdued. "chick shows" rule, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Wow, does that take me back... to high school! - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > NP: BLIND WINDOWS -- Nash the Slash ===== ====== "Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'sir' without adding, 'you're making a scene.'" H.J.S. ====== ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:23:13 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Slashed By Nash In a message dated 10/22/03 11:09:11 AM, analogman@yahoo.com writes: << Wow, does that take me back... to high school! >> Driving around Canada last year, about an hour out of Toronto, the missus and I passed the Goodtimes Pub & Grub and saw the marquee declaring that the night's entertainment was Nash The Slash. We promptly changed our traveling plans, and, sure enough, enjoyed a fine evening of Nash playing to a crowd of about 25 countrymen. The cover was $7, which is we-pay-you in Canadian currency. Any joke about how he hasn't aged a day is probably obvious. He's reissued all his CD's, though, and you can find them at nashtheslash.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls Elizabeth Brion wrote: >> I actually didn't notice anything about Rory's ensembles, although >> Charity yelled out "For godsakes, Rory, don't go out in that, it's >> hideous!" when she left with Awkward Date Guy. I don't know what was >> wrong with it, but then, I don't claim any expertise on the subject of >> female fashion. > The skirt fit badly, and the chains on the sweater and the buttons > on the skirt clashed, and not in a good way. Exactly. Plus the color scheme was more "business" than "date," at least to my eye. Do I remember correctly that the skirt was so egregious that after the scene with Tana, ther wasn't another full-length shot of Rory? Or did my mind just blot it out? > My theory was that it was > supposed to be hideous - that with Paris and Tana as second opinions > instead of Lorelai, we're gonna see some badly dressed Rory for a > while. Of course, my theories are often if not always wildly > misguided... Oh, excellent thought! Plus there was the bit where Emily made a snarky comment about Lorelai dressing Rory - oops, no, that was a snarky comment someone on my morris team made about an ex-teammate's dressing her teenaged step- daughter... Charity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:41:51 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Gilmore Girls At 12:07 PM 10/22/2003 -0700, Pete O. wrote: >Wow, does that take me back... to high school! > >--- Stewart Mason wrote: > >> NP: BLIND WINDOWS -- Nash the Slash It's my first exposure to Mr. the Slash's non-soundtrack work, and I'm surprised by how...well, normal...it sounds. When you've got a guy in evening dress and mummy bandages playing an electric violin, you just expect a higher weirdness factor. This sounds more like early Tangerine Dream -- not a bad thing -- than anything else! S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:15:10 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] This Beat is Buckertronic Miles: >>I was about to say that it's a likely anachronism to take CHRONIC TOWN as >>a marijuana reference. Sorry, what I meant was, if you'd never heard of that EP before and someone said to you in 2003 that you should check out a record called "Chronic Town", you might hear it as the pot reference that it definitely wasn't when it was originally released. Miles / Jeff: >>Pete Buck's Buckertronics >> (Featuring Even More Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the >> words on completely serious takes of "The Funny Little Clown" >> and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? >That Buckertronics record (and I think you mean tremolo, but hey, >you're not a guitarist, so why you should you know?) Here's the thing: vibrato in voice is variation in pitch, whereas tremelo is variation in volume, right? But yet the "Vibrato" footswitch on my Fender Twin Reverb does create that Buckertronic sound (stuttering *volume*), and the "tremelo bar" on the Jazzmaster that I don't have (yet) certainly changes the *pitch* of the guitar. So it seems like Leo Fender is pretty much responsible for reversing the definitions of the terms for guitar purposes. Let's not even get started on phasing and flanging... By the way, I can still remember how pissed I was that Buck went all vibrato-crazy, because I had just started using that effect myself in my band and I was all, hey, everybody that thinks I sound like Pete Buck, you can kiss my vibrato-using ass. And then Monster came out before we were done recording *our* record and when everyone heard our album they said, hey, that sounds like R.E.M. After that I learned to stop worrying and love the j*ngle. JeFFrey: >>..Jeff, worrying that, since he just dissed Neil Young, Rex will >>come roaring back in Neil's defense... Nah, Arc sucked. I had the same reaction you did. But it was just like a throwaway with a rippin' live album, so no biggie. I like those parts of Crazy Horse sets, too, but it was the crappy assembly of Arc that killed it: it was just too transparent that here's the big chord from the end of "Welfare Mothers", some scraping and yelling, overtones, feeback, banging around, starting to die off, and then boom, here's the last chord to "Love and Only Love". Some creative mixing, or just plain old cross-fading, could've produced a far more interesting record. Miles: >>are there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form simple chords >>on the ukulele, I thought there almost *was* an actual Stipe solo record, and even remember that it was going to be entitled "Field Recordings". I guess that one thing that *does* link REM and U2 is that they must be the only two bands to last as long as they have, and get as big as they did, without a single member releasing a proper "solo album". The Cure, too, I suppose. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when the world is a midlife crisis attempt toreclaim rock band status > I think so too.. I like "SHP", but "Furry Happy Monsters" is one of those covers that definitely improves on the original. That's what I was trying to say, that anyone who doesn't like the song needs to hear the definitive "Sesame Street" version.. "Monsters feeling glad" http://users.pandora.be/grand_royal/REM/sets/1998/sesam.htm If you don't have the BORN TO ADD album in your life, well, what are you waiting for? No "Furry Happy Monsters," alas, but BORN TO ADD's title track alone makes the album. Sorta like the album the title, and the cover, parody. Oh, some more Elliott Smith stuff here: http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2003/10/22/smith/ with a link to another one at the bottom. Who knew Elliott wasn't his real name? Andy "I mean she pronounced Guilford College as Guildford College, said the Pope held a beautification for Mother Theresa, and said England had something called the Tames river." - --Jen Grover on her local weekend evening newscaster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:23:53 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when the world is a midlife crisis attempt toreclaim rock band status G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >"I mean she pronounced Guilford College as Guildford College, said the >Pope held a beautification for Mother Theresa, and said England had >something called the Tames river." > >--Jen Grover on her local weekend evening newscaster > > No, she pronounced it Gulliford College. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:23:09 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's freaky CD trade thingy My trade disc came last week from Jon Gabriel, and is an excellent piece of work: 1. "Stars and Songs" - Brooklyn Social Scene 2. "Ode to the Red Queen" - My Vitriol 3. "Blue Side" - Rooney Nice three songs to open with, especially BSS. I had this CD on repeat in the background while tailgating at the soccer game last weekend, and the opening group of songs always seemed to get noticed. 4. "Pan American Highway" - Frank Black 5. "Kid A" (Radiohead) - John Mayer 6. "Hurley" - Pinback OK, might be my favorite song on the disc. 7. "Roland" - Interpol I'm sitting here wondering why I don't know this when it occurs to me that I don't even have "...bright lights" yet, which I guess would give some sort of clue as to how astonishingly far behind I am. Embarrassing, really. 8. "Big Deal" - Damien Jurado 9. "Simon" - Elf Power I seem to like every Elf Power song I've ever heard. 10. "Song Against Sex" - Neutral Milk Hotel 11. "Panis et Circenses" - Os Mutantes I can't claim have really 'gotten' Jeff's stuff at the time, but this one I do still get a kick out of. And either I was projecting the subject forward, or was having trouble reading the cover text, but I would swear this latter song was titled "Penis and Circuses" which may or may not be a better name but I dig the song. Plus I absolutely love offbeat stuff like this appearing in the middle of mixes. 12. "Iron Man" - Stereolab 13. "Rapariga da Banheira" - Lali Puna Never heard the second of this pair, but it fits brilliantly behind the Stereolab track. I will be investigating this 'Lali Puna' more in the very near future. 14. "The Buddha Nature" - Macha 15. "Ymaelodi A'r Ymylon" - Super Furry Animals From the classic "MWNG," a great album if you like that sort of thing, which I do. 16. "Closer" - Matt Pond PA Right now winner of the "what I've never heard before but based on this single song I'm going to go right out and get gobs of" award. I really, really like this...what's the other stuff sound like, anyone? Looking him up, I see he's going to be in town THIS coming Saturday night - while I'm at another concert. Grrr. 17. "The Lakes of Canada" - The Innocence Mission 18. "For the Dishwasher" - Grandaddy 19. "Cair Paravel" - The Von Trapps A brilliant mood shift near the end of the disc...all three songs are choice, but I like the Grandaddy especially. I think they were supported by the SFA this year, or the other way around. 20. "For Myself" - Grape Storms Sorry the review wasn't longer or the comments more pithy, but it's safe to say I think the whole thing is fantastic. The disc has a nice overall vibe and *really* flows together well, something I try for - and often fail to achieve - - on my mix discs. A hearty 'well done' Jon! Michael "and not an ABBA song to be seen...thank God" Wells who as a guitarist really enjoys playing 'Can't Get There from Here' and thinks there's more than a subtle nod to Mr. Kimberley Rew contained therein...or am I crossposting lists again? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #309 *******************************