From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #308 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe/Sucks [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's [Jeffrey with 2 Fs ] Re: [loud-fans] iTunes for PC ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second song of the first gig by Bad Habits [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's [Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe/Sucks > And isn't amanita hallucinogenic? Or have I got it mixed up with > something else? Amanita muscaria, the fly agaric (red to orange to yellow cap with white "warts" all over - the classic European "lucky" mushroom) is poisonous but also hallucinogenic. Amanita phalloides, the death cap, is just rilly rilly rilly poisonous - it is apparently the single species responsible for most cases of mushroom poisoning worldwide. Charity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:05:03 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when the world is a midlife crisis attempt toreclaim rock band status > > I'd much rather hear it than the monotonous, overlong "The One I Love." >Overlong? That song is just over three minutes! Wow...you're right! (I just looked it up.) Then why does it seem like about 6 minutes to me??? _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:04:51 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second song of that gig at... On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:35:05 EDT, AWeiss4338@aol.com said: > Right on target. That's why I love SHP. Stoned Hemp Pilots? :) - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:29:57 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's Steve H: >>It is "1,000,000" and "Stumble", and I believe the DEAD LETTER OFFICE >>cd has it sequenced in order (at the end). I have the cassette version, >>which has the whole thing on each side (just like Let's Active's AFOOT). (Carson voice) I did not know that. Dead Letters was the first CD I ever bought, because it was cheaper to buy the CD than the cassettes of both Dead Letters and Chronic Town*. 1,000,000 rules, though, so it must be the other side that sucks. But I had no idea I was stumbling into controversy by mentioning that it had a side B to begin with. Live 'n' learn Me like "Can't Get There From Here", too. Me like "Furry Happy Monsters", which I saw with my daughter a few weeks ago and she was doubtless confused at why I was so much more excited by those particular dancing puppets than the ones who sang with Garth Brooks the day before. And I can't say nothing bad about "The One I Love", neither. Me want to strike forever from REM catalog: "Bang and Blame" JeFFRey: >>Someone must have forgotten to tell Peter Buck's hairstylist >>then... And hasn't he worn the same big white shirt since...forever? Yeah, and he finally filled it out. Big question is why, when he finally decided to deface his Rickenbacker with something, it had to be a chrome mudflap reclining naked chick. Not only distasteful, but in no way aesthetically complementary to the cats-eye f-hole**. REM slaves to fashion? Four words: Mike Mills, Nudie suits. The defense rests. >>This, by the way, was one of my complaints about Reveal: there are >>like four or five songs in a row in the same key and tempo (slow), >>by the end of which I'm ready to dismiss the whole album. That key: A minor, give or take a capo. Worse yet these songs sound like less interesting version of the least interesting songs on Up (which I like as a record). Miles on Monster (ignore us, we do this all the time): >>It was much, much more like their take on glam ("Crush With Eyeliner" is >>especially illustrative of this point). I'd tend to agree, but I always feel that "The Wake-Up Bomb" does a better job of being glam in one song than the whole of Monster, and seems to encapsulate half of that album's themes better, too. REM, huh? Well, it doesn't seem you can talk about their career arc anymore without mentioning U2, which is kind of a shame. If it weren't for REM I would never have much reason to talk about U2 at all. Final question: How come many of the best '80's bands featured non-instrument-playing frontmen, and since then that's become almost a guarantee of a bad band? (IMO forever and ever amen) - -R.E.X. * I think this is the first time I've looked at the title "Chronic Town" and seen it as anyone would if they'd never heard it before: a pot reference. **Appearing next week at the Derby: Rex Broome & His Cats-Eye F-Holes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:59:28 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's Rex.Broome wrote: >Me want to strike forever from REM catalog: "Bang and Blame" > Hmmm.... well, I like that song, too. >* I think this is the first time I've looked at the title "Chronic Town" and >seen it as anyone would if they'd never heard it before: a pot reference. > > I'd never thought of that. Was that slang term around back then? J.E.N. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:05:40 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's In a message dated 10/21/03 9:14:46 AM, Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com writes: << REM slaves to fashion? Four words: Mike Mills, Nudie suits. The defense rests. >> Yep, that would've been starting in the mid-90s, of course, right on schedule...or, I guess, actually trailing U2 a bit. That said, there's an unreleased Mike Mills solo album that proves he's got all the talent in the band. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:19:40 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's Quoting JRT456@aol.com: > there's an unreleased > Mike Mills solo album that proves he's got all the talent in > the band. I suppose there are those who'd argue that should be Bill Berry, since the supposed dramatic decline since his departure...but when you say "unreleased," do you mean finished and everything, or are we just talking some demos that are floating around? When was it recorded? And uh, might *anyone* here have a copy...? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:38:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's At 01:59 PM 10/21/2003 -0400, Jenny Grover wrote: >Rex.Broome wrote: > >>Me want to strike forever from REM catalog: "Bang and Blame" >> > >Hmmm.... well, I like that song, too. Me three. >>* I think this is the first time I've looked at the title "Chronic Town" and >>seen it as anyone would if they'd never heard it before: a pot reference. >> >> > >I'd never thought of that. Was that slang term around back then? I was about to say that it's a likely anachronism to take CHRONIC TOWN as a marijuana reference. I'd never heard the term "the chronic" until the late '80s and West Coast gangsta rappers like NWA. Even if five guys in Compton were saying it in 1982, it's doubtful that these four white guys in Athens were saying it then too. Of course, just to make Jeff's head explode, I'm now envisioning an all-rap album of CHRONIC TOWN covers, such as Cypress Hill's "Insane in the Boxcars" and Snoop Dogg's "Wolves, Lower Doggy Style, featuring Mya or Ludacris." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:35:33 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's In a message dated 10/21/03 11:20:42 AM, jenor@uwm.edu writes: << I suppose there are those who'd argue that should be Bill Berry, since the supposed dramatic decline since his departure...but when you say "unreleased," do you mean finished and everything, or are we just talking some demos that are floating around? When was it recorded? And uh, might *anyone* here have a copy...? >> Recorded for the Skyy label, or one of its imprints, circa '87, and at least a full LP's worth of finished tracks...as far as I recall. If the songs went on to become REM tracks, it wasn't blatantly enough that I noticed. I've never seen a bootleg, which makes me think that Mills has resolved to keep the tracks to himself. After all, even Eric Matthews got his unreleased album out to the public. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:52:42 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's At 02:19 PM 10/21/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting JRT456@aol.com: > >> there's an unreleased >> Mike Mills solo album that proves he's got all the talent in >> the band. > >I suppose there are those who'd argue that should be Bill Berry, >since the supposed dramatic decline since his departure... For all I know, R.E.M. might have made exactly the same records if Bill had stuck around, though after hearing DOWN WITH WILCO, I'm becoming convinced that subtracting Bill and leaving in Scott McCaughey might have created a group dynamic where there's no one in the room who'll suggest that following the nine Brian Wilson-wannabe midtempo songs already in the can with three more might not be such a keen idea. >but >when >you say "unreleased," do you mean finished and everything, or are >we just talking some demos that are floating around? When was it >recorded? Yeah! And since it "proves [Mills'] got all the talent in the band," are there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form simple chords on the ukulele, Pete Buck's Buckertronics (Featuring Even More Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the words on completely serious takes of "The Funny Little Clown" and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:16:36 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] DVD query Because I have no experience using DVDs on computers, I'm clueless...so this may have a simple answer. Anyway: A friend of mine wants to assemble a DVD consisting of excerpts from various other commercial DVDs (specifically, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Alias). Apparently, there's some sort of pesky DR dealy preventing her from readily doing this. She's using the compiled DVD in an academic presentation, and has received legal advice from a reliable source that such usage would fall under Fair Use guidelines. Except that actually making it may not. That, though, isn't my problem. Any hints on how to proceed? You can e-mail me privately if the rest of us aren't interested (and here's where I say the bit about duplicate posts to both lists). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:33:31 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's Quoting Miles Goosens : > Yeah! And since it "proves [Mills'] got all the talent in the > band," are there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form > simple chords on the ukulele, Pete Buck's Buckertronics > (Featuring Even More Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the > words on completely serious takes of "The Funny Little Clown" > and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? That Buckertronics record (and I think you mean tremolo, but hey, you're not a guitarist, so why you should you know?) couldn't be any worse than that bonus Neil Young disc that I thought would be cool, of nothing but feedback. Except it isn't nothing but feedback - it's like the stupid ending trash-everything parts extended for hours. Days. Weeks. Millennia. Of course, I could be wrong. You might correctly guess I haven't listened to it for ages. ..Jeff, worrying that, since he just dissed Neil Young, Rex will come roaring back in Neil's defense... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't :: shave. That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, :: I'll start shaving! :: --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:37:11 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iTunes for PC then there's this: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/iporn.html which is probably not safe for the office. Apple Introduces iPorn Movie Store Cupertino, CA - Hot on the heels of its success with the acclaimed iTunes Music Store, Apple have set about to revolutionize another entertainment venue, that of pr0n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:00:36 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second song of the first gig by Bad Habits Miles Goosens wrote: > Yeah! And since it "proves [Mills'] got all the talent in the band," > are there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form simple chords > on the ukulele, Pete Buck's Buckertronics (Featuring Even More > Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the words on completely serious > takes of "The Funny Little Clown" and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? Bill Berry actually did record a solo single in 1989 on Jefferson Holt's label. It featured an BB original ("My Bible is the Latest TV Guide") backed by "Things I'd Like To Say" by the New Colony Six. He could've easily made one or two Chris Mars-type solo albums by now if he wanted to. I'd buy 'em! - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:04:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's I should have known "tremolo" (especially since it came up earlier in this very discussion), but I couldn't pull the correct word out of my brain at the time. The Neil Young disc you're talking about is ARC, and was originally sold only in the ARC/WELD three-disc configuration of his '91 live album, with plenty of press and disclaimers about what it was, i.e., the ending jam/vamps from various songs strung together into 35 minutes of noise, for Neil-heads only. The two-disc WELD was by far the more commonly available version, so it wasn't like ARC was foisted onto people who didn't want to hear it. IIRC, the idea came from Thurston Moore when Sonic Youth was opening for Neil, so maybe he's to blame. (I think ARC is available by itself now, but I'm not 100% on that.) And "stupid trash everything parts"? Usually I'm among the most jam-averse folks that I know, yet those parts of Neil & Crazy Horse shows always engage me, and take on curious modal forms (I think in part that's what Thurston, Branca fan that he is, was reacting to) as they fall in and out of recognizable song fragments. I like these jams better in their original location, at the end of the songs from whence they emerged, but I dig ARC's collage approach too. Anyway, ARC isn't something I want to play again and again, but neither is METAL MACHINE MUSIC, yet I'm glad my collection includes both of them. later, Miles - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Sent: Oct 21, 2003 9:33 PM To: "[undisclosed location]" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Actually, REM has sucked since the second word Stipe said to Buck at Wuxtry's Quoting Miles Goosens : > Yeah! And since it "proves [Mills'] got all the talent in the > band," are there unreleased solo albums of Stipe unable to form > simple chords on the ukulele, Pete Buck's Buckertronics > (Featuring Even More Vibrato!), and Bill Berry burping half the > words on completely serious takes of "The Funny Little Clown" > and "Watchin' Scotty Grow"? That Buckertronics record (and I think you mean tremolo, but hey, you're not a guitarist, so why you should you know?) couldn't be any worse than that bonus Neil Young disc that I thought would be cool, of nothing but feedback. Except it isn't nothing but feedback - it's like the stupid ending trash-everything parts extended for hours. Days. Weeks. Millennia. Of course, I could be wrong. You might correctly guess I haven't listened to it for ages. ..Jeff, worrying that, since he just dissed Neil Young, Rex will come roaring back in Neil's defense... ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #308 *******************************