From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #302 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, October 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? ["Keegstra, Russell " ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud ["G. Andrew ] [loud-fans] Re: The Kid Problem [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] WARNING: Scott content (may contain slight SPOILERS) [M] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:07:45 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:46:03 -0700 (PDT), G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I, for one, don't care to be reduced to, what is it, four letters of the >alphabet? > >Andy 1234 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:09:53 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem I'm pretty sure this was meant for the whole List. Apologies to Tim if that's not so... >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem >From: "Tim Walters" >To: "Roger Winston" > >Roger Winston wrote: > > > Since the Be Bop Deluxe song they include is Ships In The Night (possibly > > the least proggy track in the whole BBD catalog), I'm doubting the > > truthfulness of the title. > >Same deal with "Theme One" by VdGG (actually written by Sir George >Martin), "May I?" by Kevin Ayers, "Lucky Man" by ELP, and "O Caroline" by >Matching Mole (although "O Caroline" is so good I'd put it on there >anyway). > >Looks like a fun comp for the price, though. > >My vote for best prog album ever is WESTERN CULTURE by Henry Cow. >Definitely not A PASSION PLAY, one of my least favorite Tull efforts. If >you want one of their album-length suites, try THICK AS A BRICK. > >-- >SHALMANESER >Artifically unintelligent twitching disco brain >http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:16:15 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem At Tuesday 10/14/2003 09:46 PM -0700, Gabby Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I, for one, don't care to be reduced to, what is it, four letters of the >alphabet? That's so typical INFP. Latre. --Rog (someone had to say it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:33:29 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell " Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ Yoda am I. Talk like this I must, hmm? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:34:45 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting Roger Winston : > At Tuesday 10/14/2003 09:46 PM -0700, Garrulous Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > >I, for one, don't care to be reduced to, what is it, four letters > of the > >alphabet? > > That's so typical INFP. That reminds that I forgot to answer Rog's query about taking the Myers-Briggs thingy: Of course I have, several times, although never "officially." About the teacher thing: Rog is forgetting that I teach college. High school and lower-level teachers are ringed in by regulations, requirements, and academic degrees specific to their field; we college teachers will have none of that. So I could be an axe murderer, and the university would be more or less okay with that, so long as I never brought axes into the classroom or my office. (I'm not sure what the Myers-Briggs results for axe murderers might be...) I think the SF quiz omitted possible answers on several questions, making it even more likely that none of the answers would seem suitable. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Ultra Vivid Scene s/t ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:44:41 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:34:45 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >About the teacher thing: Rog is forgetting that I >teach college. High school and lower-level teachers are ringed in by >regulations, requirements, and academic degrees specific to their >field; we college teachers will have none of that. So I could be an >axe murderer, and the university would be more or less okay with that, Maybe your university, but not all of them: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/6391358.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:00:08 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@uwm.edu] > so long as I never brought axes into the classroom or my office. (I'm > not sure what the Myers-Briggs results for axe murderers might be...) You are more likely to bring your axe to parties (E) or prefer to stay at home with your axe (I) You are more likely to cut down the forest (N) or the trees (S) You are more likely to use your axe logically (T) or you use it whimsically (F) Your axe is a rigid metal blade (J) or you have a flexible blade (P) -julianne I took the Sci/Fi test with Melanie - we're both Galadriel. Good thing I ordered those elf ears for Halloween! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] revised eMusic list I realized that recommendations were really only useful with some *small* indication of what kind of thing a record is to catch the eyes of people who've never heard of it, which is after all who these lists are for... The first chunk is all stuff I've posted about before but with short descriptions this time; the second chunk is the next tier down, things I wouldn't necessarily say "you HAVE to hear this!" to anyone about but which I liked substantially. Heatmiser - Dead Air (Elliott Smith's rock band) Pinback - Some Voices (soothing indie-rock grooves) Stew - Guest Host (you all know Stew) Sarah White - Bluebird (folky) The Oyster Band - Freedom And Rain (folk-rock covers; June Tabor sings) Built To Spill - Ultimate Alternative Wavers (classic pre-lameness BTS) Robyn Hitchcock at the Cambridge Folk Festival Rosehips - s/t (the heart of C86 -- Ramones-y jangle pop) Yellowman - Nobody Move... and Zunguzunguguzungguzeng (early dancehall) Belle And Sebastian - Tigermilk (note: I don't like them usually) Go Sailor - s/t (catchy pop by Softies/Tiger Trap songwriter) Wedding Present - Tommy and Saturnalia (embittered guitar pop) Blackalicious - A2G (hip-hop) Yo La Tengo - Electr-O-Pura (not loungy!) Silkworm - Even A Blind Chicken... and Developer (arty post-grunge) Invisibl Skratch Piklz - The Shiggar Fraggar Show (all scratching) Papas Fritas - s/t (Replacements-friendly pop) World Famous Beat Junkies - Volume 2 (beat-oriented hip-hop) Radio 4 - Gotham ("dancepunk") Shriekback - Care (cold new wave) The Moves - s/t (melodic riot grrl) Frank Black - Devil's Workshop (only decent thing from him in years) Ivy - Guestroom (lounge-pop covers of indiepop classics) Machine Drum - Now You Know/Half The Battle (cut-up skitter electronica) Ted Leo & Pharmacists - Hearts Of Oak (soulful indie-rock) The Decemberists - Castaways And Cutouts (Neutral Milk Hotel wannabes) Albert Ayler - Spirits Rejoice (jazz - I don't know the lingo) Silver Scooter - The Blue Law (Bats meet New Order) Tahiti 80 - Puzzle (catchy, flowery 60s retro) Xerophonics - Copying Machine Music (all beats made from Xerox machines) The Real Tuesday Weld (indiepop built around 40s samples - nice!) v/a - Tribute To The Pixies (Japanese!) Mclusky - Mclusky Do Dallas (arty smashy + one Pixies ripoff) Edan - Primitve Plus (showoffy, quirky rapper/producer/DJ) Noise For Pretend (jazzy sad pop) His Name Is Alive - Last Night, Ft. Lake (two best from an uneven oeuvre) Joel RL Phelps - The Downer Trio, 3, Blackbird (howling sad person) Even In Blackouts - Myths & Imaginary Magicians (acoustic punk!) A-Set (twangy indie songwriter) Kaia (angry folk, formerly of Team Dresch) Mark Kozelek (slow sad Red House Painters singer, AC/DC covers) Sneetches (retro power-pop) compilations on Subway (80s British pop label) Beenie Man (star of contemporary Jamaican "dancehall" - hardcore reggae) Chisel (indie rock - Ted Leo's old band) Elf Power (the only Elephant 6 band whose psychedelia I can much stand) Oneida (super-harsh psychedelic rock) Etienne Charry (goofy French indiepop) Posies - Failure (verrrry earnest but nice) tribute to Queen on Three One G (arty post-hardcore label) The Chesterfields (highly varied for a Subway band) Electronic (stretching my tolerance for New Order side projects) James Hardway - Moors And Christians (cuban sounds + techno) Matmos (laptop cut-and-paste trickery) Treepeople - Something Vicious (pre-Built To Spill) Ken Nordine (the "Word Jazz" guy) Cab Calloway (I'm told he's not cool, but I liked it) Del The Funky Homosapien (smart but self-obsessed hip-hopper) Marine Girls (pre-Everything But The Girl dryness) Solex - Low Kick And Hard Bop (confusing Dutch sound person) Spoon Martha And The Muffins compilations on Mr. Lady Ming + FS (electronica fusion, heavy hip-hop influence) Twelve Caesars (Scandinavian neo-garage) Sammy (Pavement wannabes - more melody, less style) Shelley/Devoto (former Buzzcocks' "electronic" album) Commander Venus (pre-Bright Eyes emo-rock) Minus The Bear (mathy indie-rock) Nik Kershaw - To Be Frank (very slick songwriter pop) Christian Marclay - Records (early sampling-based avant-garde guy) Macha (gloomy indie rock -- but wait! indonesian percussion!) Prima Donnas (unusual retro - harsher 80s revival than many) v/a Mille Plateaux - Electric Ladyland (clicks and buzzes arranged into the appearance of music) Cex - Being Ridden (indie/IDM rapper; his NEXT album will be great) Happy Family (post-Josef K; Scottish jangle with young Momus singing) Catharin Pfeifer (French accordion player) New Wet Kojak (scuzzy indie like Afghan Whigs, Girls vs Boys, etc.) Corrina Repp (mellow songwriter) Luomo (microhouse by ambientist Vladislav Delay; last 2 tracks good) Air Miami (post-Unrest, Mark Robinson goofs around) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > I am Jean-Luc Picard. > > I find that amusing since I am neither English in real life, French on > the screen, bald, or perceived as sexy. Aw c'mon, Francis, your wife must think you're pretty hot! And I'll take you in a heartbeat over that guy who stole the tank, Andy In May 1995, Shawn Nelson, a 35 year-old plumber from Clairemont, California, emerged from an eighteen foot mine shaft he had dug beneath his backyard in search for gold. An ex-soldier and methamphetamine abuser, he stole a tank from a nearby National Guard armory and went on a rampage through the residential streets of his neighborhood, crushing cars and lampposts until the cops took him down. CUL DE SAC goes far beyond this apparently minor news story and provides extensive political, economic and social context that ties Nelson's life to the larger story of a working class community in decline. Newsreels of a fat, happy San Diego in the 50s and 60s, the perfect representation of middle class aspirations for economic prosperity, are juxtaposed with contemporary images of shuttered defense plants, jobless blue-collar suburbanites, drug abusers, and police on patrol. Statements from police, historians and real estate agents sketch out the rise and fall of this military-fueled boomtown, and trace the neighborhood's social ills back to World War II, the Vietnam War and recent layoffs. "CUL DE SAC hinges on chilling video of Shawn Nelson, an army veteran and unemployed plumber, speeding a stolen tank through the residential streets of Clairemont, California, in 1995. Throughout Garrett Scott's terse, scrupulous film, the footage punctuates a bleak tale of a defense-industry town's boom and bust-once a Cold War capital of airplane and missile production, the San Diego suburb has decayed into a strip-mall wasteland..." - - The Village Voice "Brilliant Each time CUL DE SAC revisits Nelson's low-speed tank chase, he seems less like a standard-issue nut-job loner and more like a military/industrial Frankenstein's monster, haunted by (and hunted for) other people's sins." - New York Press "It's been ages since I've seen a more thoughtful, unpredictable, and gripping movie than CUL DE SAC It's an engrossing true-life story. More important, it's a brilliant cultural and political essay, packed with insights into grass-roots attitudes about violence and war." - Christian Science Monitor - --from http://www.mediarights.org/search/fil_detail.php?fil_id=05961 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud > Sapphie? Yes, SAPPHIE is from Richard Youngs, a transplanted Cambridgian now living and working in Glasgow. He's made a lot of records in a lot of different styles. I tried one of his ambient electronic exercises and didn't think much of it, but his records with vocals and at least one acoustic instrument (usually guitar), vaguely in the English folksinging tradition though with generous touches of the avant-garde, are some of my favorite discoveries of the past few years. SAPPHIE is Youngs solo, voice and classical guitar. Three long songs. Allegedly "Sapphie" was Youngs' dog, who died, thus inspiring the album, but he's admitted in a subsequent interview that the dog belonged to someone else and the whole dog angle was a bit of a put-on. The music, however, is no put-on. Chris Martin, my friend from the band Kinski, says it's one of the most amazing albums he's ever heard but he eventually had to stop listening to it because it was that emotionally raw. I'm still listening to it. But I'm with Chris on the rest. > The question is, are you thinking of "singer/songwriter albums" in the > general sense of "any album by one dude or chick who both writes and > sings the songs" -- which would be logical and therefore must be viewed > with suspicion -- That would be logical. Wouldn't it? Of course, I could point out various chinks in the armor of definition. Elton John almost never wrote his own lyrics. Did Morrissey ever, even once, write his own music? From what I understand, Joan Armatrading started out as half of a duet, but the label split her off from her songwriting partner, who was probably also her lover, because they didn't want to peddle a same-sex duo. > And frankly, much as I like the half or so of that list that are > singer/songwriter albums in the L6/E7PWFAS-DAS-C'M'PAWOS'C'L sense -- > although oddly there are Mitchell, Newman, Tim Buckley, Morrison and > Nick Drake albums I like much better than any of the ones you list, and > I'd throw in the first albums by Judee Sill, Neil Young and Graham Nash > to boot -- it's entirely possible that I like PARALLELOGRAMS even more. > It's one of those albums that sounds like it had a specific set of > artistic criteria that it wanted to fulfill and does so perfectly. Doug, take note! Didn't know Judee Sill; will have to investigate. Wonder what the heck TULIPS FROM AMSTERDAM is. I note, though, that Warren Zevon covered "Jesus Was A Cross Maker." I'm getting into the complex-harmony stuff some; the Free Design reissues, a Spanky and Our Gang album called LIKE TO GET TO KNOW YOU. The stuff the Folksmen call "toothpaste commerical." Awaiting Mr. Milenski's chime-in, Andy WARREN: Of the ten titles in your filmography, five are PHANTASM and its follow-ups. What inspires you to tackle other projects? How did you land the gig scripting and directing BUBBA HO-TEP? DON: It's always a challenge to make a new film from the ground up. It's actually a bit ego-maniacal, in that one is creating a world from the ground up. I spent 4 years cobbling together the funding for BUBBA HO-TEP. It wasn't the traditional "gig". I put it together myself. WARREN: BUBBA HO-TEP's tough to summarize in five paragraphs, let alone one sentence. Did you ever have to pitch it? (If so, how?) Entice prospective viewers -- confused by the title -- by shilling for your fine flick in fifty words or fewer. DON: I'll do it in 17 words. If you are going to see one Elvis vs. Mummy picture this year, this one is it! How's that for a pitch? Obviously, none of the studios bought it... but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think unanimous rejection by the powers-that-be in Hollywood usually means you are doing something different and interesting. WARREN: Bruce Campbell can do no wrong... and he knows it. Thus, it comes as no surprise he'd sign up as the real Elvis in BUBBA HO-TEP. But, did it take any smooth-talking skills to convince Emmy-winner Ossie Davis to play the real John F. Kennedy? DON: His agent read the script first and told me that he liked the GRUMPY OLD MEN stuff in the story, but could we cut out this "mummy business?" I kept bothering him - I would not let it go, as Ossie was my first and only choice. One day the agent called back and said, I don't like this script, but my client does. I guess Ossie saw something in the project that interested him. WARREN: Dear Lord, the flying spheres in PHANTASM still scare the bejeezus out of me. How'd ya do that? And what's become of Angus Scrimm? DON: It was all done with fishing line. Seriously. The first thee PHANTASMS were done the old fashioned way, a ball on a string. Except for the flying down the hall scenes, in which we enlisted a baseball pitcher to throw the sphere from behind camera and then we reversed the film. Angus is doing great. Last year he had a recurring role on PHANTASM fan JJ Abrams tv show, "Alias," and he is appearing in a new show as we speak. As to future PHANTASMs, Angus says: "Tell them I haven't hung up the old balls yet." WARREN: Currently, you're in pre-production -- no? -- for PHANTASM'S END, the fifth and, presumably, final installment of the series. Say it ain't so! Is this truly the end? How 'bout a spin-off, FREDDY VS. JASON VS.... JEBEDIAH? DON: Actually the Roger Avary scripted film you desribe above has been tabled. It was an epic script, but difficult to get funded. We do hope to get another PHANTASM going soon, though. To quote the Tall Man in the last scene of PHANTASM 3, "It's never over." WARREN: How have horror films evolved since the Seventies? Are there any substantial differences in how you approach the genre after three decades directing films? Is there a lesson you'd like to share with aspiring shock-auteurs? DON: Get into profits early! WARREN: Check your vision. When shooting SURVIVAL QUEST, did you have any idea that cast members Dermot Mulroney and Catherine Keener would conquer the indie circuit? Did you have higher hopes for Steve (INSIDE MONKEY ZETTERLAND) Antin? Did you beg Paul Provenza to return to his stand-up gig? DON: We had a terrific cast on SURVIVAL QUEST. I selected them because they each possessed a unique style. I am not at all surprised that all of them have gone on to be very successful. In addition to his acting, Steve Antin is a successful screenwriter. Paul Provenza has gone on to do some great stuff including an HBO comedy special. Most satisfying is that Dermot and Catherine met and fell in love on the set of SURVIVAL QUEST. They married a few years later. WARREN: THE BEASTMASTER was born with the courage of an eagle, the strength of a black tiger and the power of a god. Then why did it take him nine years to return in a sequel? And, why weren't you at the helm of Marc Singer's comeback? DON: Been there. Done that. It was time to move on. WARREN: You've worked with some gorgeous starlets -- Tanya Roberts, Janet Jones and Traci Lind, to name but three. Who's your "perfect 10?" DON: She's sitting right next to me on the floor. She has big brown eyes and her name is Millie. She is my Basset Hound. WARREN: Bruce Campbell has published, not perished. IF CHINS COULD KILL is a cult tome. Any plans to pen your own memoirs? Any thoughts as to a title? DON: I am proud to announce that I am currently, and finally a published author, in that the screenplay of BUBBA HO-TEP has just been released in hardback. It is especially satisfying to share the credit with the renowned Joe R. Lansdale whose short story is a companion in the book. It's for sale on amazon.com for those who are interested. WARREN: And, for those who can't wait -- or, can't read -- care to share your fondest on-screen memory or funniest off-screen anecdote? DON: I do envy the cast and crew cutting it up, and I envy them, but my mind is always on the next shot. - --Don Coscarelli, director of BUBBA HO-TEP, interviewed by Warren Etheredge, from www.thewarrenreport.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:02:35 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The Kid Problem On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > >listening. It's apparently part of a sderies, The Best [blah] > >Album...Ever. You might like the guitar one. > > Actually, the Pub Jukebox one is surprisingly good -- I might actually > order this if I get something else from Amazon UK in the next few > months. I only got around to checking this tracklist out one day late, and am more than a little disappointed, because I was expecting a pub rock compilation! Where's the BEST PUB ROCK ALBUM..EVER!? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] WARNING: Scott content (may contain slight SPOILERS) I was at the Austin show, and I don't remember an unusual amount of talking during the songs...at least not up front where I was. I do remember one guy who was pretty incoherent, yelling things like "IT' THE F*&&$^#G LOUD FAMILY!!" There was also some of the staff talking at the back of the room. But, from what I remember, the crowd was pretty friendly and well behaved. I can't wait to get my copy of the DVD in the mail. Mike Roger Winston wrote: I wanted to slap the Austin, Texas crowd. They sure did a lot of talking during the songs. And what was that weird silhouetted Christ-like figure behind Gil? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #302 *******************************