From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #300 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 300 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? ["Rex.Broome" ] [loud-fans] ye GODS!? [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? ["Stefaan Hurts" ] [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud ["Aaron Milenski] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] [loud-fans] Emusic Faves [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] eMusic stuff [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] eMusic stuff [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud ["G. Andrew ] Re: [loud-fans] WARNING: Scott content [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:36:23 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting Roger Winston : . Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In . The World": ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:40:02 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:36:23 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Roger Winston : > >. Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In >. The World": ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:49:46 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: [loud-fans] Canadian quiz On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT), "G. Andrew Hamlin" said: > Sum total 63... Same here. Language ability 23/24, work experience 21/21, age 10/10, arranged employment 0/10, adaptability 4/10, education 5/25. I guess I should have known not to drop out of kindergarten... - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:53:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ Apparently I'm "Internal Server Error". That must be a character from Stargate SG-1 or some other show I don't watch... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In The World": > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009L1RC/202-9179743-6118265 > Since the Be Bop Deluxe song they include is Ships In The Night (possibly > the least proggy track in the whole BBD catalog), I'm doubting the > truthfulness of the title. Aleady on it. It's not a bad sampling. Odd choices, but some interesting ones as well - Barclay James Harvest, Egg, Man. makes for very good listening. It's apparently part of a sderies, The Best [blah] Album...Ever. You might like the guitar one. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > Aleady on it. It's not a bad sampling. Odd choices, but some > interesting ones as well - Barclay James Harvest, Egg, Man. makes for > very good listening. It's apparently part of a sderies, The Best [blah] > > Album...Ever. You might like the guitar one. I thought the Best Prog Rock Album Ever was A PASSION PLAY by Jethro Tull. Recently re-released remastered, with an onboard video even. Anybody wanna send Scott their Van Der Graaf Generator LP (or even CD) castoffs? Can't understand what's delaying the National Health revival, John Sheridan Justices Reject Govt. Medical Marijuana Appeal 1 hour, 54 minutes ago By James Vicini WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) let stand on Tuesday a ruling that the government cannot revoke the federal prescription licenses of doctors who recommend medical marijuana to sick patients. Without any comment, the justices rejected a Bush administration appeal of the ruling that bars the government from punishing and from even investigating a doctor's conduct because of a recommendation that a patient use marijuana. The federal government has classified marijuana as a controlled substance, an illegal drug, saying it has "a high potential for abuse," "no currently accepted medical use" and is unsafe even when used under medical supervision. A U.S. appeals court in San Francisco ruled the federal government's policy against doctors who recommend marijuana violated constitutional free-speech rights of physicians and patients. The case began after California voters in 1996 adopted Proposition 215, which makes it legal for seriously ill patients to grow and possess marijuana for medical use when a doctor recommends it. Since the case began, eight other states -- Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington -- have approved similar medical marijuana laws. The Clinton administration threatened to revoke the licenses of physicians who recommended marijuana as a medical treatment, a policy the Bush administration has continued and defended. In 1997, a number of physicians and patients sued in federal court in California. The appeals court upheld a federal judge's injunction that bars the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration from revoking a physician's registration to prescribe federally regulated narcotics. The agency also was barred from even beginning an investigation of any doctor who recommended marijuana. Solicitor General Theodore Olson of the Justice Department (news - web sites) appealed to the Supreme Court and said the decision impaired the government's power "to enforce the law in an area vital to the public health and safety." He said the appeals court decision imposed "sweeping and unprecedented restrictions on the government's ability even to investigate possible violations of the law." Lawyers from the American Civil Liberties Union, which helped represent those challenging the policy, opposed the appeal. They called the government policy censorship of speech covered by the physician-patient relationship. "What's at issue is the ability of doctors to speak openly and honestly with their patients about marijuana as a viable therapy option," said Graham Boyd, director of the ACLU's Drug Policy Litigation Project. "Patients deserve access to accurate information about (marijuana's) medicinal value in treating pain, nausea, wasting syndrome and other symptoms of life-threatening diseases," he said. The high court sided with the ACLU and declined to hear the government's appeal. The Supreme Court last addressed the issue of medical marijuana in 2001, when it ruled that California cannabis clubs may not distribute marijuana as a "medical necessity" for seriously ill patients. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] ye GODS!? james kirk?? yeep. i should know beter by now than to click on those things. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:22:39 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? Rex.Broome on 10/14/2003 10:53:55 AM wrote: > > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ > > Apparently I'm "Internal Server Error". That must be a character from > Stargate SG-1 or some other show I don't watch... No, actually it means that you're already a fantasy character and that you don't really exist. We're all just Jeff's bots on this List anyway. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:14:35 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ John Sheridan. Hmmm, never saw an episode of Babylon 5, so I'm not sure whether I should feel insulted or not. - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:20:19 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem At 09:45 AM 10/14/2003 -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Roger Winston wrote: >> Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In The World": >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009L1RC/202-9179743-6118265 >> Since the Be Bop Deluxe song they include is Ships In The Night (possibly >> the least proggy track in the whole BBD catalog), I'm doubting the >> truthfulness of the title. > >Aleady on it. It's not a bad sampling. Odd choices, but some interesting >ones as well - Barclay James Harvest, Egg, Man. makes for very good >listening. It's apparently part of a sderies, The Best [blah] >Album...Ever. You might like the guitar one. Actually, the Pub Jukebox one is surprisingly good -- I might actually order this if I get something else from Amazon UK in the next few months. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:37:01 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud > >> Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In The >World": > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009L1RC/202-9179743-6118265 > >> Since the Be Bop Deluxe song they include is Ships In The Night >(possibly > >> the least proggy track in the whole BBD catalog), I'm doubting the > >> truthfulness of the title. It claims to be the "best" prog album, not the "proggiest!" And in fact I'd suggest that it's intended as an introduction for people who aren't yet sold on the genre, and as such it's not bad. I mean, they hardly pull the best Kevin Ayers song (Ayers is prog???) but they do nail killers from Barclay James Harvest, Caravan, and Curved Air, for example. Shame they don't include the greatest prog one-shot of all time, Heavy Jelly's "I Keep Singing The Same Old Song." n.p. Linda Perhacs: PARALLELOGRAMS, Best singer/songwriter album in the world??? _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Stewart Mason wrote: > >listening. It's apparently part of a sderies, The Best [blah] > >Album...Ever. You might like the guitar one. > > Actually, the Pub Jukebox one is surprisingly good -- I might actually > order this if I get something else from Amazon UK in the next few months. It does seem like the perfect sing-along-when-you're-a-bit-tipsy collection. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? heh heh. i am Obi-Wan Kenobi. excellent. On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:53:55 -0700, "Rex.Broome" wrote: > > > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? > http://www.tk421.net/character/ > > Apparently I'm "Internal Server Error". That must be a > character from > Stargate SG-1 or some other show I don't watch... > > -Rex - -- What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? - Calvin - -- recent adventures in tech support at http://www.pirate.org/people/hello/cat_techterror.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:21:01 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Stewart Mason on 10/14/2003 12:20:19 PM wrote: > Actually, the Pub Jukebox one is surprisingly good -- I might actually > order this if I get something else from Amazon UK in the next few months. Our domestic amazon.com has the Prog Rock one as an import for $40, though it may still be cheaper to get it directly from the UK branch. My currency conversion brain cells died in the last alcohol binge. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:35:11 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? Hmm, I am Wesley Crusher, whoever that is. Wes is Wes.. very cool.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:48:53 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Emusic Faves Since I brought it up, here's my list....Can't guarantee any of these are still available. In no particular order, and ignoring the obvious stuff (Yo La Tengo, GbV, Bauhaus, etc) This is all assuming you can even connect to their servers.... Mezzanines - Mezzanines (neat Seabodoh-esque low-fi with huge pop hooks) Gary Numan - Pleasure Principle (great album) Quickspace - The Death Of Quickspace (former Faith Healers) The Warlocks - Phoenix Album (old school indie - very VU/Stooges) Maserati - The Language Of Cities (nice post-rock) Couch - Fantasy (worthwhile, organic post-rock meets electronica) Pele (any) instrumental, jazzy rock. Rumah Sakit - Rumah Sakit (see Pele, except louder) Bright - Bright ( a little of everything, all well done. reminds of Wire in spots) Dumptruck - Terminal ( its no "...For the Country", but it aint bad) John Lee Hooker The Classic Early Years Explosions in the Sky Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Die, Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Live Forever (simply amazing, simple post rock) Doleful Lions The Rats Are Coming! The Werewolves Are Here! (weird pop) The Wedding Present (everything) For Stars (s/t) - (if you can get past the Thom Yorke voice, nice gentle pop) Yume Bitsu (all) - atmospheric Mono - One Step More and You Die (Japanese noise meets Mogwai) City of Caterpillar s/t (Hardcore, but really intelligent & well done hardcore...a band that has discovered that high intensity screaming and riffing is more effective if you only do it once in a while, and build to it. Highly recommend to aging, jaded punkers like me) The Stratford 4 - Revolt Against Tired Noises (dream pop for 00's) Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights (my #1 album of that year) Lumen- The Man Felt An Iron Hand (well played, organic post rock) Peace Harbor - Not Yet Fire (folky instrumentals...really nice) AMFM - Mutilate Us (sweet, hooky pop album, complete with Beach boys cover) Black Box Recorder - England Made Me (twisted British guitar Pop) Black Uhuru - Black Sounds Of Freedom (really good reggae) Wheat - Hope And Adams (indie pop with a twist) Epic Soundtracks - Everything Is Temporary (what great songs!) Chrome - The Chrome Box (Can't describe it...it's Chrome) Junket - sci fi Claremont Hi (great lost indie guitar rock...Dream Syndicate fans will really dig this) Marmoset -Today its You (more twisted pop 80s style...one of my abs fave Emusic finds) Tarentel - From Bone To Satellite (Epic post rock) Sonna (all) - (more post rock, extremely melodic) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Our domestic amazon.com has the Prog Rock one as an import for $40, > though it may still be cheaper to get it directly from the UK branch. > My currency conversion brain cells died in the last alcohol binge. It's cheaper to get from Amazon UK - about $27 w/ postage, and well worth it, especially if you like Mellotrons and ARP solos. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:38:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ > > Apparently I'm "Internal Server Error". That must be a character from > Stargate SG-1 or some other show I don't watch... Nah, I think it's the little waitress in your head, who's just screwed up an order of fried neurons. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:18:44 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: [loud-fans] WARNING: Scott content So, if any of you haven't yet ordered the Loud Family DVD, what's the matter with you? Mine arrived today and considerably brightened up an otherwise dark, dreary, drippy afternoon. And my favorite Moody Blues song, to boot! And, my god, I laughed my guts out at the between song stories and "performances." Now, I held back, waiting for someone else to say it first, and NO ONE DID (!), but I would marry Scott's voice in a heartbeat. Jen (who turned out to be Spock according to that Sci Fi quiz. [/cues "The Logical Song"]) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:23:03 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] eMusic faves On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 12:19 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Chris Prew wrote: > >> So, I suppose, all us Emusicer's should provide each other with a list >> of must-downloads to try and get ahold of prior to the switchover. > > Here's my ongoing list of what I thought was the best stuff... Here's mine, with duplicates from Aaron's and Chris' lists omitted: Ilkae - Pistachio Island - super melodic IDM, very short tracks V/A (Law & Auder) - Avantgardism (Drum & Bass, Volume One) - creative D&B The Aislers Set - How I Learned To Count Backwards - nice off-kilter indie pop Akufen - My Way - great chopped up microhouse Richie Hawtin and Pete Namlook - From Within - bass-heavy percussive ambience Bill Laswell and Pete Namlook- Psychonavigation - dubby space music Pete Namlook - Namlook VII - creative live electronic set Pete Namlook - Namlook XIII - live set, drum & bass and ambience Pete Namlook - The Four Seasons - spring, summer, fall and winter movements All Natural Lemon and Lime Flavors - s/t - melodic dreampop V/A - Stax Gold - just what it says Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus - really fantastic bebop Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners The Three O' Clock - Sixteen Tambourines/Baroque Hoedown Tipsy - Trip Tease - fun, sleazy fake jazz John Coltrane - My Favorite Things Tracy Thorn - A Distant Shore Ben Watt - North Marine Drive + Summer Into Winter Pole - Pole 1, Pole 2 - crickle crackle ambient dub Brendan Benson - Lapalco Burger/Ink - Las Vegas - nice melodic techno Club 8 - s/t - great Swedish pop Club 8 - Spring Came, Rain Fell Cocteau Twins - Treasure, Garlands, Head Over Heels Bauhaus - In The Flat Field Md - Appelsap - melodic IDM crunch Md - Gaps Mono - One Step More and You Die - Japanese post-rock with noise Jonny L - Sawtooth - drum and bass (some amazing singles) various assorted Residents discs Ultra Vivid Scene - Joy 1967-1990 Ultra Vivid Scene - Rev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > I know Blender is published by the Maxim folks...and judging by the only > thing I've read from it - that list of 100 shit albums, or > whatever it was - its staff seems to have around the same collective > intelligence as Maxim's. Found it! You can read the whole thang and the list of "10 CDs no jazz collection is complete without," right here. http://www.maximonline.com/entertainment/articles/article_5263.html Let's see...only ever owned one, maybe two, of those records. Only heard four or five. But I feel lame because of it. And hopefully I'll live to fix the situation, Andy What could you not under stand: My name. Ethnic, Background Regent to folding, like an American Flag with regent Fold up ^, fold downw, for setting caps sensitive, Telepathy formula I have a right sided articulated related injury, on my back and neck. I am sorry if you can not speak through with articulation. To define the response from a projected, telepathy moment, create a length of time t(delta) have a pencil of the recipient write down that felt focus. To respond by writing down the equal to the recipient, I write after the transfer to prove time in transfer. The person giving the information for transfer can be someone other than my self. Two people in this transfer third party for information for transfer without regent lie. - --received by James Randi at the James Randi Educational Foundation, in response to a reply by Randi to an earlier, similar message, regarding the Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge. From http://www.randi.org/jr/101003.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:17:45 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] eMusic stuff Not counting the half-dozen or so things I've downloaded in the last couple days, here's what I liked enough to keep off of eMusic, roughly broken down into categories. I actually hadn't realized I'd kept so much stuff, and I'm seriously thinking about going ahead and springing for the magic $50 a month category, for at least a couple of months to clear out my want lists. If I keep track of how much I'm getting and it still breaks down to a reasonable price -- these discs average out well under $2 a pop! -- it might be worth not having to worry about download limits so much. S Jazz (contemporary): ABCs -- ABCs Gregg Bendian's Interzone -- REQUIEM FOR JACK KIRBY Dizrhythmia -- DIZRHYTHMIA Danny Thompson -- LIVE 1967/WHATEVER'S BEST Jazz (modern): Cannonball Adderley -- NIPPON SOUL Chet Baker -- CHET Eric Dolphy -- FAR CRY Antonio Carlos Jobim -- QUIET NOW: QUIET NIGHTS OF QUIET STARS The Bill Smith Quartet -- FOLK JAZZ Free improv/Out jazz: Peter Brotzmann -- NIPPLES Roger Eno and Peter Hammill -- THE APPOINTED HOUR Moholo/Stabbins/Tippett -- TERN Sun Ra -- MUSIC FROM TOMORROW'S WORLD/NUCLEAR WAR Howard Riley and Keith Tippett -- IN FOCUS Manfred Schoof -- EUROPEAN ECHOES Prog/Psych/Ambient: Daevid Allen -- STROKING THE TAIL OF THE BIRD Todd Dillingham -- VAST EMPTY SPACES Roger Eno -- THE MUSIC OF NEGLECTED ENGLISH COMPOSERS Roky Erickson -- THE EVIL ONE (PLUS ONE) Giles Giles and Fripp -- THE BRONDESBURY TAPES John Greaves -- LITTLE BOTTLE OF LAUNDRY/PARROT FASHIONS Japancakes -- DOWN THE ELEMENTS Anthony Moore -- WORLD SERVICE Slapp Happy -- SORT OF Violeta de Outono -- WOMAN ON THE MOUNTAIN Poppy punk and punky pop: Atom and His Package -- HAMBURGERS The Chubbies -- AMERICAN SWAGGER The Cinch -- THE CINCH Consonant -- CONSONANT The Dudoos -- KOGIDASO! SHURA-SHU-SHUN! The Epoxies -- THE EPOXIES Fastbacks -- AND HIS ORCHESTRA/VERY VERY POWERFUL MOTOR The Flatmates -- THE FLATMATES The Frenetics -- THESE MISTAKES TOOK YEARS OF PRACTICE The Hives -- VENI VIDI VICIOUS The Methadones -- CAREER OBJECTIVE/ILL AT EASE The Queers -- LOVE SONGS FOR THE RETARDED The Rumblers -- HOLD ON TIGHT Sahara Hotnights -- JENNIE BOMB Dan Sartain -- DAN SARTAIN VS. THE SERPIENTES Pop/Indie: The six Apples in Stereo releases I didn't otherwise have The Asteroid No. 4 -- THE SINGLES Brendan Benson -- LAPALCO Buellton -- AVENUE OF THE FLAGS Candypants -- CANDYPANTS The Civil Tones -- VODKA AND PEROXIDE Clem Snide -- SOFT SPOT The Eaves -- THE EAVES Elf Power -- all four releases The Exploding Hearts -- GUITAR ROMANTIC The Go-Betweens -- THE FRIENDS OF RACHEL WORTH Interpol -- TURN ON THE BRIGHT LIGHTS The Lovethugs -- PLAYGROUND INSTRUCTORS The Lovetones -- BE WHAT YOU WANT Masters of the Hemisphere -- MASTERS OF THE HEMISPHERE/I AM NOT A FREEMDOOM The New Pornographers -- ELECTRIC VERSION Noise For Pretend -- HAPPY YOU NEAR Janet Panic -- THE GIRL WHO PASSED FOR NORMAL Peace Harbor -- NOT YET FIRE Sonic Youth -- five releases Spirea X -- FIREBLADE SKIES Super Furry Animals -- RINGS AROUND THE WORLD They Might Be Giants -- three releases This Mortal Coil -- BLOOD/FILIGREE AND SHADOW Tom Waits -- BLOOD MONEY/ALICE The Walkmen -- EVERYONE WHO PRETENDED TO LIKE ME IS GONE Brian Woodbury -- BRIAN WOODBURY AND HIS POPULAR MUSIC GROUP Mary Timony -- THE GOLDEN DOVE Various Artists -- THE EYES HAVE IT/HEAVY SURF/HOW MANY BANDS DOES IT TAKE TO SCREW UP A BLONDIE TRIBUTE/MINIATURES Noise/Experimental: AZ -- MUSIC FOR SCATTERED BRAINS Eugene Chadbourne -- JESSE HELMS BUSTED WITH PORNOGRAPHY Mono -- ONE STEP MORE AND YOU DIE Negativland -- OVER THE EDGE VOLUME 4: DICK VAUGHAN'S MORIBUND MUSIC OF THE 70s World: Pierre Barouh -- VIKING BANK Bia -- CARMIN Brigitte Fontaine and Areski -- VOUS ET NOUS Bill Nelson -- WITH CULTUREMIX Dub: Culture -- SCIENTIST DUBS CULTURE INTO PARALLEL UNIVERSE Folk/Folk-rock: John Fahey -- THE LEGEND OF BLIND JOE DEATH/THE TRANSFIGURATION OF BLIND JOE DEATH Lionel Fanthorpe and Jon Downes -- WEIRD WORLD OF... Richard Thompson -- THE OLD KIT BAG Electronic/Dance: Tommy Guerrero -- A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHIN' Sixties rock: Van Morrison -- THE COMPLETE BANG SESSIONS (includes the legendary demos) The Wilde Flowers -- TALES OF CANTERBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:44:02 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] eMusic stuff One more thing-nobody's-mentioned yet that I just thought of: if you're into the classicist-but-not-cookie-cutter pop stuff, Jim Boggia's "Fidelity Is The Enemy" is a worthy choice. The album sounds a bit like that Jon Brion fellow (intentionally, I'm pretty sure), but Jim has more audible soul influences in the mix and... trying to find the right way to say this... his singing voice is less of an acquired taste. I'm a little biased because he sang at my wedding, but I figure since you're not actually paying any money, I can't do too much damage with my blatant cronyism. I also just discovered that if you try to go through the whole catalog using the "styles" links at the left, you miss a hell of a lot of stuff. Just in case anyone else had the same plan of action. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:35 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Or maybe Blake's 7? On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 03:35 PM, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > Hmm, I am Wesley Crusher, whoever that is. Wes is Wes.. very cool.... This guy here - http://www.wilwheaton.net/ - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud > n.p. Linda Perhacs: PARALLELOGRAMS, Best singer/songwriter > album in the world??? An intriguing album, and I'm hoping Aaron has the updated, remastered, with-bonus-stuff edition. Really, though, Mr. Milenski, you mean to consign BLUE, COURT & SPARK, 12 SONGS, STARSAILOR, ASTRAL WEEKS, THE WILD THE INNOCENT AND THE E STREET SHUFFLE, MY AIM IS TRUE, SLUG LINE, HEAT TREATMENT, HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED, PINK MOON, GRACE, SAPPHIE, and LIFE'S A RIOT WITH SPY VS. SPY to the chopped-liver pile? And the remaing life of that guy in the Cubs' left field stands can be measured in hours if not minutes, Andy Heir Heads Reality TV is obsessed with people trying to get rich. But what about people who were born rich? Youre going to be sorry you asked By Marc Peyser and B. J. Sigesmund NEWSWEEK Oct. 20 issue  The clingy dress, the Chanel belt, the denim mini-skirtif they were cruising the clubs, Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie would be stunning. However, the Beverly Hills bombshells just relocated to Altus, Ark. (population: 817), so the reaction is closer to stunned. Well, their clothing is a little different than what most girls wear around here, says grandma Curly Leding. You aint seen nothing yet, Curly. INSIDE THE LEDINGS modest farmhouse, Hilton and Richie face surprise after nasty surprise. A single bathroom. A well. What are wells for? asks Hilton. Water, says mom Janet Leding. Richie is so bewildered, she needs to check her bearings. Do you guys hang out at Wal-Mart? she asks. Ive always heard that people hang out at Wal-Mart. The Ledings look confused. So does Hilton. What is Wal-Mart? she asks. Is it, like, they sell wall stuff? Could anyone be this stupid? Thank heavens, yes. Richie (Lionels daughter) and Hilton (the hotel heiress) are the stars of Foxs The Simple Life, which like all TV shows steals its conceptin this case, its Green Acres with two real celebutants filling the stilettos of one Gabor. The Simple Life debuts in December, and it already looks like the next reality-TV phenom. By then, well be well primed by a slew of rich people behaving badly. Later this month MTV will launch Rich Girls, which follows Tommy Hilfigers daughter, Ally, and her spoiled friends as they navigate high school from the back of a limo. And HBO will air a documentary called Born Rich, in which Ivanka Trump, Georgina Bloomberg, magazine heir S. I. Newhouse IV and others discuss the burdens of inherited wealth. Though you dont have to be an heiress to be a successful TV airhead. The reigning rich ditz, pop star Jessica Simpson, and husband, Nick Lachey, just signed on for a second season of MTVs Newlyweds. Perhaps she wants a shot at atoning for the moment this year when she debated whether Chicken of the Sea is tuna or chicken. I hate fish, so I didnt understand why I liked this tuna, Simpson tried to explain to David Letterman last week. It doesnt make any sense at all, I know. Canned tuna would have been haute cuisine on The Simple Life. We had to fry this squirrel on our very first night. That was gnarly, says Richie. She and Hilton spent five weeks with the Ledings, a family of seven. MTV didnt tell the jet setters where theyd be stationed, and when they pile their Louis Vuitton bags into a pickup, you know instantly that Arkansas is going to be as foreign as polyester. To their credit, the girls are unfailingly polite, even when it comes to sharing that bathroom. But they do have their limits. They tried to make us pluck a chicken and I almost barfed, says Hilton. We had a midnight curfew, which we broke every night, says Richie. Where did they hang out? The most fun place was the gas station, says Hilton. We met some cute country boys. Actually, all 817 citizens of Altus got to know our intrepid cultural-exchange students. Hilton and Richie showed up more often in the local paper than they do in Liz Smith. It was like we were Michael Jackson, says Richie. They wrote that our skirts were too short. They said we came to church in fur coats. It hurt my feelings. I never went to church! When youve got more money than god, why risk TV when the camera adds pounds and removes dignity? Theres vanity, of courseand the gnawing feeling that you should be at least as famous as Jack Osbourne. Richie and Hilton come off sweet enough to forgive their shallowness, but not everyone is so lucky. MTVs Rich Girls attempts to show us that life in the penthouse isnt as rarefied as it seems. Hilfiger and her pal Jaime Gleicher may vacation on Mustique and use a personal shopper, but they still worry about getting a prom date. The problem is that as much as Rich Girls wants to prove that money doesnt make adolescence any easier, its hard to care when the girls say things like My dad invented cargo pants and everybody copied him and We had a photo shoot on the boat, the Christina O. You know Jackie O, or something? Whatshisname OOnassis? By the time Jaimes prom date drinks too much and bails from the limousine, you dont empathize with her. You want to jump out of the car, too. Despite way too much evidence to the contrary, not every rich kid wants to be on television. Jamie Johnson spent three years making Born Rich, in part because dozens of wealthy kids turned him down for interviews. Everything they do revolves around money. They are either making it or spending itthats their identity. But they dont want to talk about it, says Johnson, of the Johnson & Johnson dynasty. To his credit, Johnson puts himself and his dad in Born Rich. He also interviews Bloomberg (having the last name Bloomberg sucks, Georgina says), Newhouse IV (dislikes Newhouse III) and Trump (the most surprisingly grounded person in the film). Born Rich does a thorough, if earnest, job with a touchy subject. So touchy that a casino-gambling heir named Luke Weilwho does an ugly rant about how any woman who wont sign a prenup is an ungrateful bhsued Johnson to get his interviews removed. I think he got pressure from his friends and family, and that made him nervous, says Johnson. A judge dismissed the suit, which is a certain kind of justice. It would have been more fun if hed sent Weil to share a bathroom down on the farm. - --from http://www.msnbc.com/news/978291.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] WARNING: Scott content - --- Jenny Grover wrote: > Jen (who turned out to be Spock according to that > Sci Fi quiz. [/cues > "The Logical Song"]) I am Gimli. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:12:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting Roger Winston : > Diversion of the day: > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ I am, unfortunately, John Sheridan...I say unfortunately, because I have no idea who he is. At least a third of the questions offered *no* alternative I was really comfortable with...and as usual with these things, I found myself choosing particular unsuitable answers to balance other unsuitable answers, since I could tell which answers tend to align with others. In other words, that's my way of circling between the lines. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:13:36 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reduced WARNING: Scott content at Level Bert Quoting Gil Ray : > I am Gimli. Vodka Gimli? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Consonant - Love and Affliction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:18:24 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Say it Loud Fans, we're prog and we're proud At 08:52 PM 10/14/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >> n.p. Linda Perhacs: PARALLELOGRAMS, Best singer/songwriter >> album in the world??? > >An intriguing album, and I'm hoping Aaron has the updated, remastered, >with-bonus-stuff edition. Really, though, Mr. Milenski, you mean to >consign BLUE, COURT & SPARK, 12 SONGS, STARSAILOR, ASTRAL WEEKS, THE WILD >THE INNOCENT AND THE E STREET SHUFFLE, MY AIM IS TRUE, SLUG LINE, HEAT >TREATMENT, HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED, PINK MOON, GRACE, SAPPHIE, and LIFE'S A >RIOT WITH SPY VS. SPY to the chopped-liver pile? Sapphie? The question is, are you thinking of "singer/songwriter albums" in the general sense of "any album by one dude or chick who both writes and sings the songs" -- which would be logical and therefore must be viewed with suspicion -- or in the particular sense of "late '60s/early '70s performers who favored a stripped-down and self-consciously 'mellow' production aesthetic with often spuriously 'confessional' lyrics" which is what most people think of as "singer/songwriter albums," which I'm sure is how Aaron was using the term. And frankly, much as I like the half or so of that list that are singer/songwriter albums in the L6/E7PWFAS-DAS-C'M'PAWOS'C'L sense -- although oddly there are Mitchell, Newman, Tim Buckley, Morrison and Nick Drake albums I like much better than any of the ones you list, and I'd throw in the first albums by Judee Sill, Neil Young and Graham Nash to boot - -- it's entirely possible that I like PARALLELOGRAMS even more. It's one of those albums that sounds like it had a specific set of artistic criteria that it wanted to fulfill and does so perfectly. S NP: WHATEVER'S BEST -- Danny Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:29:07 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem At Tuesday 10/14/2003 11:12 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I am, unfortunately, John Sheridan...I say unfortunately, because I >have no idea who he is. Commander of Babylon 5 for the last 4 (out of 5) seasons. He saved the universe. Kind of a stick-up-the-ass guy, but not as much as the previous captain, Jeffrey Sinclair. Played by Bruce Boxleitner in his patented what-am-I-doing-here mode. I make light, even though I loved B5 and thought Sheridan was an enduring character (who unfortunately had not much chemistry with his romantic lead). Rent the B5 DVDs (4th season out soon), but don't be discouraged by the lackluster 1st season, since it's basically just setting everything up. Cue Miles... >At least a third of the questions offered *no* alternative I was >really >comfortable with...and as usual with these things, I found myself >choosing particular unsuitable answers to balance other unsuitable >answers, since I could tell which answers tend to align with others. >In >other words, that's my way of circling between the lines. So you've never taken a Myers-Briggs test? Don't they make all teachers take that? But my bigger question is: Why can't you format your e-mails correctly? What's with the weird line breaks? Well, at least you're not substituting boxes for quotes and apostrophes, like Gandalf Andrew Hamlin. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > Commander of Babylon 5 for the last 4 (out of 5) seasons. He saved the > universe. Kind of a stick-up-the-ass guy, but not as much as the > previous captain, Jeffrey Sinclair. Played by Bruce Boxleitner in his > patented what-am-I-doing-here mode. I feel a little better, I guess, knowing that he's an okay guy, or at least a guy who saved the universe. And that Jeffrey and Stefaan and me are all together. John Lennon gets more right every day. > Rent the B5 DVDs (4th season out soon), but don't be discouraged by the > lackluster 1st season, since it's basically just setting everything up. Yeah, I only watched part of the first season, said to myself, "This poor thing wants to be classic Trek so much it can taste it," and never checked back in. > So you've never taken a Myers-Briggs test? Don't they make all teachers > take that? I, for one, don't care to be reduced to, what is it, four letters of the alphabet? > But my bigger question is: Why can't you format your e-mails > correctly? What's with the weird line breaks? Well, at least you're > not substituting boxes for quotes and apostrophes, like Gandalf Andrew > Hamlin. Happens when I import .sigs from certain other sources. No idea why. Open to explanations. Nobody seems to guess my first name correctly (hint: it's Orson Welles' first name too), Andy "My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people." - --G. Orson Welles ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #300 *******************************