From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #299 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, October 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["Stefaan Hurts" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] The Canada Problem ["Tim Walters" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] The Canada Problem [Mike Curley ] Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem [Roger Winston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:05:51 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Gil on Stew: >>It's funny, but it seems that with every successive show I've >>seen, the band would keep subtracting members until >>now it looks like it's Stew and Heidi and a hired gun >>for a drummer. Don't get me wrong, I still love Stew >>and Heidi, I guess I just miss the fuller sound with a >>full-time keyboard player. I do like the new one okay, but whilst reading along on the lyric sheet I noticed he'd thrown in an unsung reference to "Buzzin'", which brought to mind the first two Negro Problem albums and how damned great all of those songs were, and, yeah, I wanted a bigger band back for sure. >> I think Scott could really make a great small record, >>I know he's got the equipment sitting in his home, but >>I guess he would need the desire, and of course, the >>time, now that lovely Valerie is crawling all over the >>place! Well, against the grain as usual, having kids made me start doing music again after years off, so here's hoping. >>Who is damn proud of the fact that I live in Alameda >>County, California. The murder rate may be high, but >>we know damn well how to vote..... Family business abruptly called me out of the state ON ELECTION DAY. Not that it would have made any fucking differrence, as it turns out. My wife called me in West Virginia to tell me to start looking for jobs *there*. What to do, what to do. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:45 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem In a message dated 10/13/03 12:50:32 PM, Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com writes: << Family business abruptly called me out of the state ON ELECTION DAY. Not that it would have made any fucking differrence, as it turns out. My wife called me in West Virginia to tell me to start looking for jobs *there*. What to do, what to do. >> Yeah....in the 60's.....My dad said "If Reagan's elected Governor, we're leavin' California and never comin' back." It's like deja vu around here now...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:11:13 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting LeftyZ@aol.com: . Yeah....in the 60's.....My dad said "If Reagan's elected Governor, we're . . leavin' California and never comin' back." . . It's like deja vu around here now... You know how any argument is deemed to have reached a dead end whenever anyone brings up the Nazis? Something similar ought to apply, in terms of frustrations w/US politics, whenever anyone claims they're going to go live in Canada. That said, if Bush is elected (for the first time) in '04, I hear Vancouver's really nice... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Ultra Vivid Scene s/t ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:37:12 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:11:13 -0500, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" said: > That said, if Bush is elected (for the first time) in '04, I hear > Vancouver's really nice... Why not all move to Belgium, land of beer and chocolate? Toodlepip, - -Stef - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:41:21 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem In a message dated 10/13/03 12:12:17 PM, jenor@uwm.edu writes: << That said, if Bush is elected (for the first time) in '04, I hear Vancouver's really nice... > Well, they did film "The X-Files" there, so it would certainly be a nice place for conspiracy freaks still disputing the '00 election. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:47:06 -0400 From: "Stefaan Hurts" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:41:21 EDT, JRT456@aol.com said: > Well, they did film "The X-Files" there, so it would certainly be a > nice place for conspiracy freaks still disputing the '00 election. Are those the same conspiracy freaks who are abusing the Homeland Security Act? - -- Stefaan Hurts stef_hurts@fastmail.fm - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > You know how any argument is deemed to have reached a dead end whenever > anyone brings up the Nazis? Something similar ought to apply, in terms > of frustrations w/US politics, whenever anyone claims they're going to > go live > in Canada. I find the Nazis and Canada both fascinating. So I don't think I understand this remark. And thanks to Ernst Zundel, you have two great tastes that taste great together eh? Certainly I've pondered moving to Canada in the face of what the US has become over the last few years. Realistically though, to live in Canada, you must work in Canada. And to work in Canada, you must have citizenship. And for obvious reasons, they don't make getting citizenship easy. > That said, if Bush is elected (for the first time) in '04, I hear > Vancouver's really nice... Vancouver's one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen. Definitely worth a visit. Now will someone please tell me what happened to Charlie Pagano? Andy "Could I have three fives and five ones, please?" (pause) "That doesn't add up to twenty dollars." - --exchange between Diego and the guy behind the counter when Diego wanted change for a twenty, Hawk's Prairie Restaurant and Casino, Thurston County, Washington, USA, last Saturday morning ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tim Walters" Subject: [loud-fans] The Canada Problem G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Realistically though, to live in Canada, > you must work in Canada. And to work in Canada, you must have > citizenship. And for obvious reasons, they don't make getting citizenship > easy. Maybe not, but they make finding out if you qualify very easy: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html Hey, it's an online quiz! I'm in like Flynn with a score of 81. I knew that master's degree was good for something. - -- SHALMANESER Artifically unintelligent twitching disco brain http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:46:16 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Gandalf Andrew Hamlin on 10/13/2003 9:05:06 AM wrote: > "Could I have three fives and five ones, please?" > > (pause) > > "That doesn't add up to twenty dollars." > > --exchange between Diego and the guy behind the counter when Diego wanted > change for a twenty, Hawk's Prairie Restaurant and Casino, Thurston > County, Washington, USA, last Saturday morning Are you sure this wasn't Jessica Simpson on "Newlyweds" (she who thought buffalo wings came from buffalos and that chicken of the sea was chicken)? Latre. --Rog Diversion of the day: Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ I'm Samwise Gangee, though if I go back and answer the two questions I was unsure of in the other way, I become B5's John Sheridan. What I find interesting about this is that someone obviously went through and applied a Myers-Briggs personality type to all these characters. The questions were instantly recognizable as M-B personality test questions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Roger Winston wrote: > Diversion of the day: > Which SF/Fantasy character are you? http://www.tk421.net/character/ I am Jean-Luc Picard. Could I look as good when I'm bald? Make it so! Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:01:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting Roger Winston : . > "Could I have three fives and five ones, please?" . > . > (pause) . > . > "That doesn't add up to twenty dollars." . > . > --exchange between Diego and the guy behind the counter when Diego . wanted . > change for a twenty, Hawk's Prairie Restaurant and Casino, . Thurston . > County, Washington, USA, last Saturday morning . . Are you sure this wasn't Jessica Simpson on "Newlyweds" (she who . thought buffalo wings came from buffalos and that chicken of the sea . was chicken)? Hey, go easy on her - maybe she's a vegetable. I mean, "vegetarian." ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:01:56 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > You know how any argument is deemed to have reached a dead end whenever > anyone brings up the Nazis? Something similar ought to apply, in terms > of > frustrations w/US politics, whenever anyone claims they're going to go > live > > in Canada. I've actually been trying to move to Canada (or Australia - Australia would do) since, damn, the late '80s. Not so much because of any one politician or political party as because - well - if EMode had a "Which country would you be?" test online, the US would be in the bottom 10% for me. It's just a crappy fit with my personality. Saaaay... turns out my spousal has enough points to get into Canada! (Even though I bring his score down - my 3 1/2 years of college just counts as "secondary school degree or less," and isn't THAT depressing.) Anyway, yeah, moving to a new country=hard. On another note, thanks to those who've posted eMusic lists - my sweetie-pie mother-in-law bought me a burner for an early birthday present, and I'm getting my money's worth by looting the place. I haven't listened to much of it yet, and most of the titles I really like have been mentioned by someone else, but I will say the two Marian McPartland/Cecil Taylor tracks from "Embraced" that have popped up on the iTunes random list so far have kicked my ass. If anyone wants to check out some of the classic jazz artists who have a zillion releases, and doesn't know where to start, give a yell - my job has gotten me pretty well-versed in that stuff. New best-album-of-2003-in-the-Brion-house candidate: the new release from Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy. It contains versions of both "Player Hater" and "Save The Best For Last," people! OK, I'm only up to track 5, but I may have a winner here... E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:27:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Canada Problem Quoting Tim Walters : . Maybe not, but they make finding out if you qualify very easy: . . http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html . . Hey, it's an online quiz! I'm in like Flynn with a score of 81. I'm one point behind him. I probably would have done better, but je ne parle en francais tres mauvement. See what I mean? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Wondermints - Mind If We Make Love to You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem > Anyway, yeah, moving to a new country=hard. Depends on the country, probably. The less they've got to offer, the more they'd welcome new blood, right? > New best-album-of-2003-in-the-Brion-house candidate: the new release > from Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy. It contains versions of both "Player > Hater" and "Save The Best For Last," people! OK, I'm only up to track > 5, but I may have a winner here... Got a title for that one? All Music lists three albums by the group, but the most recent is from 1992. And Lester died in 1999. Strange. Jazz-wise, I'll recommend Dawn Clement's HUSH, which is new, and Jelly Roll Morton's THE ORIGINAL MR. JELLY LORD, which is not new, but is one of the Ten Jazz Recordings Everyone Should Own, according to Blender, or maybe Maxim, the issue of which has in any case scooted under my bed or somewhere similar. For Stewart or anyone else interested: a record by Jeanne Lee called NATURAL AFFINITIES appeared this year on a label called Sunnyside. The All Music review is a little vague, and the Sunnyside sites I found make no mention of this release, but it seems to be sessions recorded in 1992 and only now seeing the light of day. I'd pick it up myself if I had the bread. Sum total 63...guess I better go looking for a Canadian guy or gal to marry... And you guys were making that Jessica Simpson stuff up, right (just admit it), Andy "I am Providence" - --cut into the headstone of Howard Phillips Lovecraft (1890-1937), Swan Point Cemetery, Providence, Rhode Island ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:07:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : . the Ten Jazz Recordings Everyone Should Own, according to Blender, . or . maybe Maxim, the issue of which has in any case scooted under my bed . or . somewhere similar. I know Blender is published by the Maxim folks...and judging by the only thing I've read from it - that list of 100 shit albums, or whatever it was - its staff seems to have around the same collective intelligence as Maxim's. And what would that be? Let's just put it this way: they won't be emigrating to Canada anytime soon. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass np: Aphex Twin _Drukqs_ disc 2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:16:57 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 07:39 PM, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >> New best-album-of-2003-in-the-Brion-house candidate: the new release >> from Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy. It contains versions of both >> "Player >> Hater" and "Save The Best For Last," people! OK, I'm only up to track >> 5, but I may have a winner here... > > Got a title for that one? All Music lists three albums by the group, > but > the most recent is from 1992. And Lester died in 1999. Strange. They've got the last two LBBF albums just listed on the main Bowie page - - Odyssey of Funk and Popular Music, which I also recommend highly, and the new one, which is When the Spirit Returns. Having now read the liner notes, I can tell you that it was recorded in late 1997, and that the repertoire was chosen by Bowie's then-15-year-old daughter Zola. And having now listened to the whole thing, I can also tell you that I think it's great start to finish. Not entirely sure why it took this long to come out, but in a way I'm glad it did - I wasn't nearly this hard up for albums to put on my top 10 list in '97. E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: rad costumes Good Lord.... Gil Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem - --- "G. Andrew Hamlin" wrote: > Now will someone please tell me what happened to > Charlie Pagano? He's such a great drummer! It seems to me that Stew has had a rough time replacing him. The last time I spoke to Charlie, I believe his >real job< was something he couldn't really do without, thus bowing out of the band. Damn shame. Maybe he moved to Canada. Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Canada Problem Woo-hoo! It's nice to know that I always have the fall back plan of moving to Canada. That is, unless they decide to raise the threshhold above 76 points. In which case, I'll be forced to argue that understanding the words "non" and "oui" counts as a basic understanding of French. Mike Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:27:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: such a stem Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Canada Problem Quoting Tim Walters : . Maybe not, but they make finding out if you qualify very easy: . . http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html . . Hey, it's an online quiz! I'm in like Flynn with a score of 81. I'm one point behind him. I probably would have done better, but je ne parle en francais tres mauvement. See what I mean? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Wondermints - Mind If We Make Love to You The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:35:01 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Kid Problem At Monday 10/13/2003 07:39 PM -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >And you guys were making that Jessica Simpson stuff up, right (just admit >it), Not even Jeff could make that stuff up: http://www.msnbc.com/news/978317.asp SNL did a Nick 'N Jessica parody the other night, with Justin Timberlake in the Jessica role. I'm thinking there was some irony involved, but I can't quite pin it down. Here's a link for Joe, Gil, and Jeff - "The Best Prog Rock Album In The World": http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009L1RC/202-9179743-6118265 Since the Be Bop Deluxe song they include is Ships In The Night (possibly the least proggy track in the whole BBD catalog), I'm doubting the truthfulness of the title. Latre. --Rog (gotta go drop some kids in the pool) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #299 *******************************