From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #291 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD [John ] Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] New York City Loudfans? ["Strangelight Information" ] Re: [loud-fans] lost in mIRC ["G. Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] lost in mIRC [Roger Winston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:04:47 +0100 From: John Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:19:01 -0400, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 04:28 PM 10/4/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >>>> 16. Half Man Half Biscuit "Them's the Vagaries" - John's >>>> tried to sell me on these guys, he says...well, fun, catchy, >>>> energetic...hmm...intrigued, at least. >>>> >> > > John recently made me a swell HMHB compilation after I rediscovered > the glory that is the 12" of "Dickie Davis Eyes" b/w "The Bastard > Son of Dean Friedman." They were improbably popular at Texas > Tech's college station because one of the DJs, a Londoner named > Jane...I forget...used to play them all the time on her show. > Rather like the Bonzos, even if you don't know the specific > references -- I still don't know who Dickie Davis is -- you get the > gist. > Dickie Davis - presenter of the Saturday afternoon World Of Sport TV prog on ITV in the 70s/80s . Had dark hair with a strange white flash at the front if I remember correctly. If anyone else wants a copy of said HMHB comp, feel free. Cheers, John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 07:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD > John recently made me a swell HMHB compilation after I rediscovered the > glory that is the 12" of "Dickie Davis Eyes" b/w "The Bastard Son of > Dean Friedman." They were improbably popular at Texas Tech's college > station because one of the DJs, a Londoner named Jane...I forget...used > to play them all the time on her show. Rather like the Bonzos, even if > you don't know the specific references -- I still don't know who Dickie > Davis is -- you get the gist. I giggled out loud to "Dickie Davis Eyes" in the record store, but never did take the plunge. I've still got my vinyl BACK IN THE DHSS, though, and was lucky enough to find a TRUMPTON RIOTS ep including "All I Want For Christmas Is A Dukla Prague Away Kit," which turns out, if I recall correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong) to be about one of those toy football pitches with minature magnetic men, though if that's true, I would never guessed. (Two buddies of mine once had the American football equivalent.) From what I remember though, the TRUMPTON RIOTS songs, "Dukla Prague" in tow, come appended to the BACK IN THE DHSS compact disc. >>I needed Emma Townshend to teach me five-a-side, remember > > Not Paul Carrack's Ace? Never did listen to Ace. Any good? Okay, which Zeppelin album had five different covers? I thought I knew them all, Andy Elvis Mitchell in the New York Times suggests that it's about time that The Station Agent, which was picked up at the Sundance Film Festival last January, got to theater screens. "It's a relief to see it finally released," he writes. "It's the kind of appetizing movie you want to share with others." Megan Lehmann in the New York Post calls the film a "powerfully understated charmer." John Anderson in Newsday writes that it "is what critics often call a small movie. (Sorry. Did it again.) And what this usually refers to is budgets and subject matter. People and their need for connections are the subjects of [Director Tom] McCarthy's very human movie. And there's nothing inadequate about either what he set out to do or how well his movie does it." And Kenneth Turan in the Los Angeles Times praises McCarthy for having "the best ear and eye for what makes people individual as well as an exact sense of how far he can go without jeopardizing empathy and believability." - --from http://www.imdb.com/StudioBrief/#3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:24:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > Okay, which Zeppelin album had five different covers? I don't know if it was five - but In through the Out Door had a couple of different covers - I think also it came in different colored shrinkwrap (although I may be confusing it with some other '70s record - Wish You Were Here perhaps?). Some of our other Old Fogeys may be able to answer this one, in between stroking their grey beards and pulling their black socks most the way up their calves. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:27:24 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] King For a Day John wrote: > Just announced for sale on Chalkhills is King For A Day, which > collects all the tracks on the 3 XTC trib tapes, plus something like > 80 more More details here > http://www.geocities.com/king4aday_xtc/TrackListing.html > and here http://www.geocities.com/king4aday_xtc/Ordering.html I've seen this advertised before.. What's the quality like? 130 songs for $6 seems like a bargain, but a lot of "fan tributes" (except the loud-fans tribute of course!) seem to have a high chaff to wheat ratio. And why didn't they cover more Colin songs? Just added to emusic: Four Thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty Seconds: A Short Cut To Teenage Fanclub.. Woohoo!! - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:49:18 -0500 From: "Strangelight Information" Subject: [loud-fans] New York City Loudfans? Excuse me for sending this to everyone... My band will be traveling from Texas to NYC to do a showcase next Saturday, and we could really use some support. If you can make it please, please, please do! Saturday, Oct. 11, 2003 just after Midnight. Acme Underground, 9 Great Jones Street (between Broadway and Lafayette), New York, NY www.strangelight.cc www.acmeunderground.com LUX by Strangelight: Review by Mark Suppanz, The Big Takeover Issue #50 This Houston foursome's captivating, atmospheric guitar pop brings to mind the ambience of Elbow or late-period Talk Talk, but adds more traditional song-based structures, plus a slight early 80's New Romantic influence. Led by co-guitarists Raman and Bill Royall, and anchored by the sturdy rhythm section of Jason Smith and Steve Ringo, the band's softer more etheral textures are complimented with a layered, muscular guitar crunch. One of the LP's highlights is Raman's thick, expressive voice which adds unique character and depth to each song. He sounds a little like Jeff Buckley, with dramatic flashes of Thom Yorke or Depeche Mode's David Gahan. Every song makes an impact: The big guitars/choruses of "Bigger" and "Tell All Your Friends" give way to the groovy spaciness of "Hypnopaedia," the hushed, airy "Fiction," and the stirring drama of "Black Ribbons" and "Red Drums." The LP ends with two enticing storybook-like lullabies, "Pieces" and "Ghost Story." Strangelight have come seemingly out of nowhere to create an accomplished involving debut. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Okay, which Zeppelin album had five different covers? IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR had several different covers, which showed the same scene from different points of view. It was wrapped in brown paper, so you'd never know which cover you got until you got home. Oh, those wacky Hipgnosis guys! In addition, the album mostly sucked, but that's ascribed mostly to Jimmy Page's heroin addiction and John Paul Jones' love of the GX-1, a then-new "super keyboard" from Yamaha. http://www.geocities.com/jpjkeys/yamahagx1.html Note on this page that after recording at ABBA's studio, JPJ also replicated Benny & Bjorn's haricut... Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:11:02 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD At 10:00 AM 10/5/2003 -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > Okay, which Zeppelin album had five different covers? Actually, ITTOD had 6 different covers. The spine of the sleeve had the catalog number plus A, B, C, D, E or F depending on which sleeve you got. Sounding like I had way too much free time in 1979...because I did, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD > IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR had several different covers, which showed the > same scene from different points of view. It was wrapped in brown > paper, so you'd never know which cover you got until you got home. Oh, > those wacky Hipgnosis guys! In addition, the album mostly sucked, but > that's ascribed mostly to Jimmy Page's heroin addiction and John Paul > Jones' love of the GX-1, a then-new "super keyboard" from Yamaha. I've got IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR, my only Zeppelin on CD actually, and what can I say, I think it's pretty neat. Not quite as brilliant as what came before, fine, and with Bonzo plastered and Pagey befogged, Percy and Jonsey came up with most of the musical ideas, but that makes no nevermind to me. You're not moved by "Fool In The Rain"? "In The Evening"? Maybe it's the GX-1, but I actually find them plundering new wave with the same ferocious aplomb with which digested Robert Johnson and Willie Dixon. Also, it's supposed to suck a lot less than PRESENCE. Allowing that I don't know PRESENCE very well. So why did nobody tell me how fine this new Dar Williams is (I'm *depending* on you guys...), Andy "Tom Jones, Jeff Beck, Van Morrsion and Lulu improvise classic blues standards." - --listing for a segment of "The Blues," from the Seattle Times' "TV Times" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:54:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD I have nothing but good things to say about IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR, so if it's just Percy and Jonsey coming up with the goods, well, their goods were damn good. Even Zep-basher Honest Bob Christgau could be heard muttering something about it being a pretty decent art-rock record. IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR also points the way toward Plant's incredibly underrated solo career, whose biggest seller (NOW AND ZEN) is arguably his least interesting album. Whether he's working on atmospheric Adamantly-Not-Zep material (pre-NOW AND ZEN), or embracing and transcending that legacy (post-NOW AND ZEN, with NAZ's "Tall Cool One" as the transitional piece), I've always been enthralled. Not sure how Page and Plant counts here (Zep? Not Zep?), but I was all into NO QUARTER, while WALKING INTO CLARKSDALE reached a wholly unsatisfying middle ground between St. Albini's production preferences and Pagey's. (Any fan of the Page/Plant project needs a good walk around the bootlegs from the WALKING INTO CLARKSDALE tour, as each night they made a point of playing at least one WIC track the way it should have sounded in the studio, so if you put them together, you get a much more satisfying version of the album.) And for what it's worth, Robert Plant is as sincere follower of cool new music as you'll find among rock's dinosaur generation, and probably knows more about the acts on this week's CMJ charts than I do. Really. But then again, I like PRESENCE a lot too, so you may want to equip yourself with a good supply of Morton's Iodized while reading all this. later, Miles - -----Original Message----- From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Sent: Oct 5, 2003 1:32 PM To: jmmallon@joescafe.com Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD > IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR had several different covers, which showed the > same scene from different points of view. It was wrapped in brown > paper, so you'd never know which cover you got until you got home. Oh, > those wacky Hipgnosis guys! In addition, the album mostly sucked, but > that's ascribed mostly to Jimmy Page's heroin addiction and John Paul > Jones' love of the GX-1, a then-new "super keyboard" from Yamaha. I've got IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR, my only Zeppelin on CD actually, and what can I say, I think it's pretty neat. Not quite as brilliant as what came before, fine, and with Bonzo plastered and Pagey befogged, Percy and Jonsey came up with most of the musical ideas, but that makes no nevermind to me. You're not moved by "Fool In The Rain"? "In The Evening"? Maybe it's the GX-1, but I actually find them plundering new wave with the same ferocious aplomb with which digested Robert Johnson and Willie Dixon. Also, it's supposed to suck a lot less than PRESENCE. Allowing that I don't know PRESENCE very well. So why did nobody tell me how fine this new Dar Williams is (I'm *depending* on you guys...), Andy "Tom Jones, Jeff Beck, Van Morrsion and Lulu improvise classic blues standards." - --listing for a segment of "The Blues," from the Seattle Times' "TV Times" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD > I have nothing but good things to say about IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR, so if it's just Percy and Jonsey coming up with the goods, well, their goods were damn good. Even Zep-basher Honest Bob Christgau could be heard muttering something about it being a pretty decent art-rock record. Not sure if a man who never graded the band below a "C+" (and below a "B" if you throw out THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME) could be called a "Zep-basher." On the other hand, I more-or-less gave up on his reviews after noticing how he damned Big Black and the Pixies with "B+"s and faint praise. A nice man in person, though. And I haven't totally given up on his ideas. > IN THROUGH THE OUT DOOR also points the way toward Plant's incredibly underrated solo career, whose biggest seller (NOW AND ZEN) is arguably his least interesting album. Never bought a Plant album, so I only know the video songs. That said though, I find "Burning Down One Side" ferocious, "Big Log" and "In The Mood" satisfyingly contemplative, and "Little By Little," in all honesty, one of the most amazing songs about death I've ever run on. He doesn't scratch his old band's work *quite* so well as the Beastie Boys, but hey, that was fun too. > Not sure how Page and Plant counts here (Zep? Not Zep?), but I was all into NO QUARTER, while WALKING INTO CLARKSDALE reached a wholly > unsatisfying middle ground between St. Albini's production preferences and Pagey's. (Any fan of the Page/Plant project needs a good walk around the bootlegs from the WALKING INTO CLARKSDALE tour, as each night they made a point of playing at least one WIC track the way it should have sounded in the studio, so if you put them together, you get a much more satisfying version of the album.) Saw the sorta-dynamic duo at the Gorge, with my three oldest friends, Zep-lovers all (me, I fretted about missing Question Mark and the Mysterians, back in Seattle, that same day). We had to laugh when, every time they launched into a CLARKSDALE song, the crowd immediately sat down and got real quiet with a touch of impatience. Then back to the Zep catalog, and everyone back on their feet... Memorable intro to CLARKSDALE song three or four by Plant: "This song...is an old, song. Well...not an old song, but...the ideas, are old..." High point of the evening for me: the rising mid-set of a crescent moon with Venus leading. Quoth Plant: "Look at that moon. Someone's in trouble tonight." Oh, and the guys who decided to throw around, not bottles, not cans, not lemons, but...tortillas. They wobbled like big floppy flying saucers in the stage lights. > And for what it's worth, Robert Plant is as sincere follower of cool new music as you'll find among rock's dinosaur generation, and probably knows more about the acts on this week's CMJ charts than I do. Really. Couldn't vouch for this. Zoot Horn Rollo met him in London, late 60's or early 70's, though, and wrote later that he was a heck of a nice guy. Not like that Jimmy, who was and is, as everybody knows, a spoiled brat. Oh by the way, the guys with the Jones website have a nifty Beck site as well: http://whiskeyclone.net/ Nobody could possibly know less about this week's CMJ charts than me, Andy "This is a powful tool I hope you would like it." - --sent to me this afternoon in far too obvious an attempt to get me to open a virus-laden file ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > And for what it's worth, Robert Plant is as sincere follower of cool > new music as you'll find among rock's dinosaur generation, and > probably knows more about the acts on this week's CMJ charts than I > do. Really. When asked in '86 what his favorite band was, he replied, "Let's Active". Spot on, that Percy. > But then again, I like PRESENCE a lot too, so you may want to equip > yourself with a good supply of Morton's Iodized while reading all > this. "Achilles Last Stand" is a great song, no doubt. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:35:26 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] lost in mIRC I seem to be having my third straight week of trouble connecting to Eskimo, so I've relocated myself to #loudfans on irc.dalnet.net. If there is already a chat happening at Eskimo, I don't want everyone having to relocate (to make matters even more complicated, I heard that some were having trouble connecting to Dalnet) but if I'm the first to send the signal out, feel free to drop in and join me. Just got back from seeing LOST IN TRANSLATION, by the way, and yes, it is as great as everyone says it is. Also, depending on how Kevin Shields-heavy the soundtrack CD is, it may end up being the first soundtrack I've purchased in years. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lost in mIRC Okay, Jer can't log onto Eskimo. *I* can't log onto DAL. Only one thing left to do: irc.muppetlabs.com #loudfans I'm waiting, and I'm hoping you'll join me. Anyone have any idea what's happening to our high-tech paradise here? Also saw LOST IN TRANSLATION today, though I'm not raving quite so much as Jer, Andy Mice to test Bushs food in Thailand Huge security operation mounted for APEC summit BANGKOK, Oct. 3  Thailand is going to use mice to test food for poison before it is served to President Bush and 20 other Asia Pacific leaders at a regional summit in Bangkok this month, a top health official said Friday. Department of Medical Scienceschief Somsong Rugpao said samples of dishes served during the Oct. 20-21 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit would be injected into mice. Well have a result within a minute. If its safe, well tell the waiters to start serving, he said. Somsong did not how many mice he would use, but the Bangkok Post reported on Friday at least 20,000 health workers would be on hand during the summit to ensure the leaders and their delegations remained in good health. Earlier this week, Thailands chief summit organizer declared Thailand  mounting a huge security operation amid fears it poses a soft target for militants  is ready to host the 21 leaders that are due to attend the forum. Im sure a good deal of their time will be taken up with talk on international terrorism, Tej Bunnag, head of the APEC 2003 Secretariat said. Since Los Cabos we have had attacks in Bali and Jakarta, so international terrorism has been brought to Southeast Asia and we can feel it directly, he said. Security has been a dominant issue at APEC forums since their 2001 gathering in Shanghai, a month after the Sept. 11 attacks, and last years meeting in Los Cabos, Mexico. In the past year there have been deadly bombings in the Philippines as well as Indonesia and threats in other Southeast Asian countries, including Thailand. Critics say the region suffers from patchy cooperation in the fight against terror, but Tej said APEC was working to improve the gathering and sharing of intelligence. I think the level of cooperation has been increasing in its efficiency, he said, pointing to the August arrest of Hambali, suspected mastermind of the Bali bombings, in Thailand. We wish to strengthen our cooperation in countering international terrorism. We have been working on this now for a good two years at every level, he said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:07:20 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lost in mIRC At Sunday 10/5/2003 09:35 PM -0400, jer fairall wrote: >Just got back from seeing LOST IN TRANSLATION, >by the way, and yes, it is as great as everyone >says it is. Also, depending on how Kevin >Shields-heavy the soundtrack CD is, it may end >up being the first soundtrack I've purchased in >years. To continue on the People You Never Thought Would Do Soundtracks front, I saw DEMONLOVER today, with soundtrack by Sonic Youth. Weird soundtrack... weird movie. If anyone else has seen it, could you please explain the last hour (especially the Diane-Elise thing) to me? Thanks. On the weirdness front, anyone watching Carnivale on HBO? Any idea when it's going to develop something resembling a plot? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #291 *******************************