From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #284 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, September 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Here comes the ...bride. [Matt Weber ] [loud-fans] Lascivity lives! ["Rex.Broome" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Here comes the ...bride. At 8:43 PM -0700 9/28/03, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > >And before signing off, I must ask: Am I the only person who woke up >to find a strange naked drunk chick in the shower this morning? Or >are they giving them out to everyone? I think you got mine, Elizabeth. Matt His expression may often be called bald...but it is bald as the bare mountain tops are bald, with a baldness full of grandeur. Matthew Arnold (1822-1888), Second Series (1888), preface to Poems of Wordsworth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:41:16 -0700 From: rlewis@nethere.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Here comes the...menage a trois. My female choice: Judy Collins. A voice you could pour on waffles. My male choice, if I were so inclined: Ken Nordine. Absolutely no question. - --R.L. Seen on a bumper sticker: SEX AND DRUGS AND FLATT AND SCRUGGS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:06:03 -0700 From: "Michele" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Here comes the ...bride. And now for my yearly posting (at least that's what it seems to have amounted to)... This should be no surprise to anyone who knows me: Michael Quercio. I also really dig Terri Nunn's vocals - how she can go back and forth from that low, sexy, gravelly growl to that sharp, powerful, high-pitched Benatar-like wail. BTW, since some of you may not know, I admit this is the perfect excuse for me to mention that Jupiter Affect's second full-length cd, "The Restoration of Culture after Genghis Khan," was recently released on Orange Sky records. The line-up has changed, and they have a new guitarist and a new keyboard player. I've barely listened through the cd once, so I can't comment much, except to say that it has a much more straightforward, heavy-rock sound than the previous cd. Michele ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:44:51 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] FW: Penelope's news and shows... Shocking Blue There some Penelope Houston fans out there aren't there? The covers CD sound cool. Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Houston [mailto:phous@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 7:16 PM > To: penelope > Subject: Penelope's news and shows... Shocking Blue > > > Hello Friends, > > After living in a small dry, bat-filled cave in Bali for the > last 8 months I've decided to come out into the bright > sunshine and play a show! > > Oct. 15th, Wed. at the > Cafe du Nord > 2170 Market St. in S.F CA. ph 415.861.5016 > I'll be playing with Pat Johnson (see > http://www.therealpatjohnson.com) also on the bill are: > T.V. > SMITH (ex-Adverts) DR. FRANK (of Mr. T Experience) > Show: 9:00 PM > Door: $10.00 > Ages: 18+ > > At the show we hope to have copies of my new 5 song CD EP > "SnapShot" from Flare Records, with cover versions of songs > by Pentangle, Colin Blunstone, The Band, Shocking Blue and > the Flying Machine. Read more about it here: > http://www.penelope.net/snapshot.html > > We'll definitely have > on hand my last release, the mega-balti 18 track > retrospective "eighteen stories down." Cant wait? Buy it > online at: http://www.penelope.net/eighteen.html > > Ever wonder how to get the music from my out of print > recordings? Like the Avengers CD? Or Crazy Baby? Now you can! http://www.penelope.net/cdrs.html Furthermore... There will be a fun CD release party at Smile on Oct 26th. I'll email you about it! love and kisses Penelope PS. To be taken off this list reply with "Please take me off" in subject bar. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] pimpin' the papers On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Glad you liked it so much, Steve! Allow me to recap that GLIMPSES is one > of the books about rock and roll I think everyone should read. Along with > HIGH FIDELITY. And CHEESE CHRONICLES. And LOST IN MUSIC. And PSYCHOTIC > REACTIONS AND CARBURETOR DUNG. And LET IT BLURT. And MAINLINES, BLOOD > FEASTS, AND BAD TASTE. I haven't actually read everything on Gee Andy's list yet, but I'd like to suggest that Tom Perotta's _The Wishbones_ belongs on this list, and Ian Hunter's _Diary of a Rock'n'Roll Star_, too. Moses Avalon's _Confessions of a Record Producer_ probably just misses as an "everyone" book, but it's tremendously useful for understanding how (and some of why) the music biz is structured as it is. Leg's McNeil's _Please Kill Me_ might turn a few too many stomachs to count as essential, but the fact it ain't on Andy's list makes me wonder if somehow he missed it. Bill Flanagan's _A&R_ was merely very entertaining. Finally, a pair maybe too narrow in their appeal, but so near and dear to my heart I can't omit 'em: Andersen/Jenkins' harDCcore history _Dance of Days_ (a little bit gee-whiz and a little bit "and band a begat band b" and a lot narrated with blinders, but still a remarkable portrayal) and "Punk Planets"' _We Owe You Nothing_. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:07:58 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Lascivity lives! Stewart: >>Other than that, though, things have gotten really generic and boring in >>hip-hop over the last decade or so, so it's not like you've missed 15 years' >>worth of stone classics. Heh... I first read this as "15 years worth of Stones classics", which gets the point across pretty well, too. I've been off the hip-hop train for a while, too. I did pick up a Jurassic Five album a few years back... not bad. But I don't anticipate diving back into the deep end of the stuff any time soon. ______ JeFFrey: >>The good news is, since Belew's played with prog guys, Zappa, Talking >>Heads, and Bowie, a whole mess of major computer geeks are doubtless >>into him, so it's very likely you'd be able to find a lot of his stuff online >>(if you know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink). It's easier than that... one of my collaborators in my band (and, yeah, the guy who does all the computerized stuff both in the band and as a career) has most of Belew's stuff on hand. But he's probably *too* into it to make an objective recommendation, so I was just checking elsewhere. Interesting guy... he has, like, every Eno album I don't have and none of the Eno albums I *do* have (and I have what I think of as "the usual"... Warm Jets, B&AS, Another Green World, Tiger Mountain, Bush of Ghosts, etc). >>Oh - and Paula Frazer, ex-Tarnation, specifically on "Big O Motel," which is >>just completely to die for. Oooh, good one. First heard her on that Cornershop duet... fine moment on a fine record. I think Tarnation's version of "The Little Black Egg" is my favorite among the many cover versions I've collected of that tune, with which I am mildly obsessed (the competition for worst version is intense). Since everyone else went polygamous in their voice-marriages, I'll add Margaret Fiedler (nice coos and purrs, if you know what I mean), Carla Bozulich (for the husky factor), maybe Francoise Hardy (dude, she's French), and let's say Billinda Butcher but only if all that swirly stuff comes with her. _____ Francis: >>At first I felt tempted to say Kristin Hersh, but then I realized hers >>is a voice I can only take in controlled (albeit very large) quantities. Here we get into some confusion between the voice and the content. Hersh is hands-down one of my three favorite musical artists, absolutely spellbinding to me, but yikes, what she's singing and how she states it... hard to fathom being wedded to that. Admittedly, my voice-marriage choice of Lucinda Williams carries some baggage, too, but LW also sounds fairly open to the idea of just plain gettin' busy, so that holds up. Michael Wells: >>Kind of surprised not to see Ian McCulloch, or maybe Robyn Hitchcock mentioned >>yet. Perfect! Going transgender, the formula above applies... substitute Hitchcock for Hersh and McCulloch for Williams and you get my take on it. (Sudden bizarre image of Ian McCulloch smoking a cigarette in bed with Lucinda, who's knocking back a warm highball, after doing the do... or perhaps during?) - -Rex, finally getting off his ass and seeing the Bunnymen next month, at the Anaheim House of Blues, which is appropriately enough on Disneyland Drive or some such ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:50:33 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post Quoting Steve Holtebeck : > In December 1999, BMI announced the Top 100 Songs of the Century, a list > of the most played songs on American radio and television. The number > one song on the list was "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling"! > http://www.bmi.com/news/199912/1999121488.asp The list (linked from the above link) is rather fascinating: it makes clear that what really pumps up a song's numbers (and the reason "Stairway" isn't listed) is muzak-style covers. Every one of these top songs can be heard just about anywhere, and probably the fact of their being so frequently covered contributes to their high numbers. (Note, though, the ASCAP article Steve links, which notes that since ASCAP is considerably older, your old-time classics tend to congregate on that list - whereas BMI's list has a number of relatively recent titles. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a link for the entire ASCAP list.) Who would've thought that "Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You" is the *fifth*-most played song ever? And I'm surprised (though Miles might be pleased...) at Burt Bacharach's absence - although I think he publishes w/ASCAP, whose list I can't find... What's weird is the songs that I've never knowingly heard: which song is "More" for instance (*not* the disco song, which is "More More More")? Or "Only You"? "Canadian Sunset"? I wonder how many other ax-murderers are on the list... > The number one ASCAP song of all time is "Happy Birthday" > http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,5801,00.html ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Californians invented the concept of the life-style. :: This alone warrants their doom. :: --Don DeLillo, _White Noise_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:53:04 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post At 05:50 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >What's weird is the songs that I've never knowingly heard: which song is >"More" for instance (*not* the disco song, which is "More More More")? Theme song from the film MONDO CANE. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Wine that maketh glad the heart of man. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Psalms_ 104:15 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:53:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post Quoting Matthew Weber : > At 05:50 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > >What's weird is the songs that I've never knowingly heard: which song > is > >"More" for instance (*not* the disco song, which is "More More More")? > > Theme song from the film MONDO CANE. Well can you hum a few bars? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:58:19 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bad, there are more silly lists in this post > And I'm surprised (though Miles might be pleased...) at > Burt Bacharach's absence - although I think he publishes > w/ASCAP, whose list I can't find... Bacharach is an ASCAP guy (Brill Building old school), and I can't find their whole list either, but it shows "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" as one of the few post-1950 songs in their top 25. Another list of the RIAA's top recordings of the the 20th century http://members.tripod.com/~tcotrel/365songsbyrank.html Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post > What's weird is the songs that I've never knowingly heard: which song is > "More" for instance (*not* the disco song, which is "More More More")? > Or "Only You"? "Canadian Sunset"? Got a songwriter for "Only You"? My guess is it's the one from Yaz's first album, written by Vince Clarke. Allmusic lists versions by Judy Collins, Boomtang Boys, Richard Clayderman (legendary schlock pianist), Even In Blackouts, Jocelyn Enriquez, Flying Pickets (my favorite apart from the original), and lots more. Miles hates Burt? (But he seems to have submerged again...) Andy "A word of warning: Do not smoke the mechanics' weed. Just because they can operate heavy machinery under the influence of their stash does not mean you will be able to physically lift your ass off the cement after a toke with them." - --Jennifer Maerz on pumping gas for a living, from http://www.thestranger.com/current/ex24.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:35:35 -0700 From: Matt Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post At 6:25 PM -0700 9/29/03, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > What's weird is the songs that I've never knowingly heard: which song is > > "More" for instance (*not* the disco song, which is "More More More")? > > Or "Only You"? "Canadian Sunset"? > >Got a songwriter for "Only You"? My guess is it's the one from Yaz's >first album, written by Vince Clarke. Allmusic lists versions by Judy >Collins, Boomtang Boys, Richard Clayderman (legendary schlock pianist), >Even In Blackouts, Jocelyn Enriquez, Flying Pickets (my favorite apart >from the original), and lots more. > >Miles hates Burt? (But he seems to have submerged again...) > >Andy Uh, negatory there, Andy. I'm pretty sure it's the Platters hit from the 50s. Matt His expression may often be called bald...but it is bald as the bare mountain tops are bald, with a baldness full of grandeur. Matthew Arnold (1822-1888), Second Series (1888), preface to Poems of Wordsworth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:33:19 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post Quoting "G. Andrew Hamlin" : > Got a songwriter for "Only You"? My guess is it's the one from Yaz's > first album, written by Vince Clarke. Allmusic lists versions by Judy > Collins, Boomtang Boys, Richard Clayderman (legendary schlock pianist), > Even In Blackouts, Jocelyn Enriquez, Flying Pickets (my favorite apart > from the original), and lots more. Nope: Ande Rand & Buck Ram (?) > Miles hates Burt? (But he seems to have submerged again...) I think it's more his status as latter-day avatar to orch-rock minions that irks him. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post > Nope: Ande Rand & Buck Ram (?) Ah yes, that is indeed the one the Platters did. And a little bit later, Ringo. Next you'll tell me Vanilla Fudge covered N'Sync... Andy Police Demand Payment From Blaine Illusionist David Blaine has been asked to cover the cost of police protection during his death-defying Above The Below stunt in London. The American has experienced verbal hostility and had to dodge missiles from spectators as he stays in self-imposed exile without food or human contact in a Perspex box hanging above London's River Thames for 44 days, prompting organizers to ask for stronger police protection around the site. Now Britain's Metropolitan Police Force has requested that the multimillionaire performer foot the bill for their work. Commissioner Sir John Stevens says, "We have asked the people who have been staging the event to pay for the policing. It is important to say that there has been a considerable expense. We have concerns about the public order situation around what he is doing down there and we are assessing that on a continuing basis. What's taking place at Tower Bridge currently is an example of how these things can escalate." - --from http://imdb.com/PeopleNews/2003/20030926.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:50:50 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Here comes the ...bride. Jeff said: > Quoting Elizabeth Brion : > >> And before signing off, I must ask: Am I the only person who woke up >> to >> find a strange naked drunk chick in the shower this morning? Or are >> they giving them out to everyone? > > They were issued to all California gubernatorial candidates - perhaps > that > one was intended for your neighbor. And then Matt said: >I think you got mine, Elizabeth. Which can lead me to no other conclusion than that Matt is running for Governor. I wish you'd mentioned it sooner - I, for one, would have contributed at least three or four dollars to your campaign! It's not that I mind if strange women want to use my shower so much - but when you have to involve the police to get them to go away, it gets to be a bit of a bother. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:41:30 -0400 From: Jenny Grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pimpin' the papers dmw wrote: >I haven't actually read everything on Gee Andy's list yet, but I'd like to >suggest that Tom Perotta's _The Wishbones_ belongs on this list > That's one I'd put in the "not for everybody" category. I was so impressed with it I made myself finish it and then promptly sold it on eBay for $2 or so. I'm guessing it's more of a "guy" book, but I thought it was quite lame, characterwise, and especially plotwise. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:16:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post Andy H, then Jeff: >> Miles hates Burt? (But he seems to have submerged again...) > >I think it's more his status as latter-day avatar to orch-rock minions that >irks him. ...or rather, constantly exposes me to Bacharachness, and thus provokes me to comment more often on how I hate that stuff than I might be doing in a less orch-rock alternate timeline. Maybe if I could travel back in time and destroy the Sean O'Hagan Banjo O'Doom, this will all turn out differently. But Andy, yes, I despise Burt's music, and have a very low tolerance for whatever the hell you want to call it (soft pop, lounge, quiet-is-the-new-loud, orch pop, etc.). Sharples denies ownership of the quote, but whoever on this list called it (and I paraphrase) "Mommy-playing-Sergio-Mendes-on-the-reel-to-reel-and-drinking-too-much-during-your-parents'-divorce music," well, that pretty much freakin' nails it. Strangely, I'm not so much into the "loud is the new quiet" bands either, though I'll take them over the strings and vibes set any day. later, Miles last played: music list recommendation #1,472 since 1994 that I've bought and not liked much, a.k.a. the British Sea Power album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:53:40 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good, there are no Glenns in this post At 11:16 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Strangely, I'm not so much into the "loud is the new quiet" bands >either, though I'll take them over the strings and vibes set any day. > >last played: music list recommendation #1,472 since 1994 that I've >bought and not liked much, a.k.a. the British Sea Power album Speaking of these things, how goes the search for new music that actually interests you, or have you just given up and started to embrace fogeydom? S NP: REQUIEM FOR JACK KIRBY -- Gregg Bendian's Interzone (eMusic recommendation, assuming that you're into modern jazz with vibes as a lead instrument...which immediately disqualifies Miles) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #284 *******************************