From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V3 #279 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, September 25 2003 Volume 03 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] stan wilson photos [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats ["John Swartzentruber" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:27:02 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] stan wilson photos > From: Jenny Grover > > if you look in the Musician > Portraits, Music Performance, Group Portraits, and Dual Portraits > sections under "photography" you might see some people you recognize > :-) Or not. Really good photography, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:24:10 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! b.s.: >>I was listening to Fresh Air last week and heard the teaser for his reviewing the >>new MMJ record, but not the review itself. I generally trust and agree with >>Ken Tucker's taste in music and teevee, so I was curious about how he was >>going to praise MMJ. Interesting. I generally *don't* hold with Tucker's reviews (he's been too quick to say good things about shitty or uninteresting popular stuff, seemingly just to make the point that he's not too snotty), but, oddly, I seem to be the only one here with anything positive to say about MMJ. I'll agree that it's a shit name, and I'm not a *huge* fan or anything, but their stuff is right up my alley, at least as of their previous album... I've not heard the new one. I'd be interested in reviews of the Beulah record, too. - -Rex, not averse to the occasional guitar space-out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:20:12 -0400 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > I'd be interested in reviews of the Beulah record, too. > I'm no reviewer, but I've listened to a good dozen or so times just today (ha! kidding!). If you liked the last one, you'll love this one. Well, I do. It's darker, which you'll read in every review, and really just a more mature record. The artwork on The Coast is Never Clear is much nicer, though. The last record I liked this much was Lapalco (I know, I'm a sap). Which makes me wonder: I don't have the first Brendan Benson album -- should I? - --betsy betsy lescosky way pantone_367@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/pantone_367 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:56:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Boss Tweed At 04:07 PM 9/19/2003 -0700, G. Andrew Hamlin wrote: >For the record, at least one other E Street Bander plays on the record, >the Mighty Max himself. I'd forgotten that Max was on it too. Of course, it's probably been a decade since I listened to the whole thing. >This was, if memory serves, during the pre-RIVER >period that found Bruce laid low by lawsuit, so those fellows had to stay >busy somehow... Actually, you're off by an album -- jilted ex-manager Mike Appel's lawsuit held up DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN (1978) rather than THE RIVER (1980). >Loaf and Steinman had/have their soft >moments. I'm thinking of "Heaven Can Wait," or the sinister-turned-goofy >intro to "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth" (the album version, >not the sadly-bombastic redo you see and hear in the video). I"m not saying that Loaf/Steinman haven't done "soft," I'm saying that even their "soft" plays big, like a "soft" number from a musical (say, "Midnight" from CATS, which is only bearable in its David Letterman-sung variant). Reminds me of what Michael Stipe said about DOCUMENT: "Even the soft songs are loud." >Good to have you back Miles! Where you been, and how was Dale? Dale who? I presume "who," since you mentioned a cell phone number at some point. I did see Neil and Crazy Horse perform GREENDALE, but y'all knew that already. Last week, I also got to see Jay Farrar do a mean Neil imitation on a show-ending cover of "Like a Hurricane." Jay, much to my surprise, did a shockingly exact Neil imitation, on vox *and* speaker-shredding guitar. Who knew? >Read Eric >Alterman's AIN'T NO SIN TO BE GLAD YOU'RE ALIVE? Picked up John >Mellencamp's TROUBLE NO MORE? Thoughts? Or are you more likely to pick >up the new Meat Loaf? Alterman's idiotic, vitriolic anti-Nader rants in THE NATION have pretty much ensured that I won't be favoring him with any cash purchases, and not interested in the Mellencamp or the Meat Loaf. >Quite a few nanoseconds there (then again I was taking a nap), I got up to 10 to the 100th * 10 to the minus-9th and lost count. By the way, I haven't knowingly heard either My Morning Jacket or Kings of Leon. I qualify with "knowingly" since I shop at Grimey's a lot and they're both on Grimey's best seller list, so I might have heard one or both playing in the store. If so, they must not have impressed me as either great or atrocious, because I'll always ask Mike or Mickey what they're spinning if it gets my attention. Kings of Leon are from nearby Mt. Juliet, TN, i.e., the 15-minute mark on I-40 East if we're leaving Nashville to go to Knoxville or back to WV. Charlie Daniels has lived his adult life there, though I'm not sure if that means anything one way or the other about Kings of Leon. Also, kudos to Aaron Milenski for bringing up the Boomtown Rats' debut re: Springsteen imitations. Well-spotted. Someday I must get CDs of the first three Boomtown Rats albums, and learn how to forget the subsequent ones. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Betsy Lescosky Way wrote: > The last record I liked this much was Lapalco (I know, I'm a sap). > Which makes me wonder: I don't have the first Brendan Benson album -- > should I? Yes! I thought the Beulah album sounded like the last one, only better. I liked the first two much more than The Coast Is Never Clear, though, and am not totally convinced I'm into the direction they've taken. The new one also made me wonder, at least briefly, if it had been produced with an ear toward the recent popularity of the Flaming Lips and their imitators. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:24:00 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! Betsy (good to see *you* back!) says: >The last record I liked this much was Lapalco (I know, I'm a sap). >Which makes me wonder: I don't have the first Brendan Benson album -- >should I? Dunno. I loved the first one but was considerably less cheery about LAPALCO. Mabye the things I especially liked about the first one would put you off. Here's a conversation between me and Jeff Norman from last year that may or may not be instructive. Keep in mind that Jeff may have changed his mind over the last sixteen months (I haven't): Jeff: >>> >np: Brendan Benson _Lapalco_ me: >>> I wonder if I'm the only person to be vaguely disappointed with this? I >>> don't want to blame Jason Faulkner, since I like him OK and he was also on >>> ONE MISSISSIPPI, but LAPALCO sorely misses ONE MISSISSIPPI's whimsy and >>> ramshackle spirit. It's a good record, but not a unique one like ONE >>> MISSISSIPPI -- and one more like Faulkner's own catchy-but-slick solo >>>efforts. Jeff: >>You're probably not - in fact, I said something to that effect on this >>list (I think). It's since grown on me - so maybe I'll eventually like it >>as well - but it seems more Sloan-clever than, uh, whatever I'd >>characterize the first one as. At this point, my problem is that it >>doesn't have a song like "House in Virginia," nor an amusingly nasty >>number like "Sitting Pretty," nor a less nasty but still kinda twisted >>number like "Crosseyed" on it. >> >>Then, I haven't listened to it as much - but I know I miss the "Virginia" >>effect. me: >All well-put, and it's most of what I was getting at with my noises about >whimsy and ramshackleness. ONE MISSISSIPPI is more eclectic and seems >inspired and unique, something only this here guy could have made. LAPALCO >is accomplished and catchy, but it could have been made by any of a dozen >Sweethearts of Audities, y'know? So there ya go. Or not. FWIW, the only Beulah I have is THE COAST IS NEVER CLEAR, which I liked OK but not well enough to buy anything else by them, though when I said that to Grimey last week when he asked me if I had the new Beulah, he said that he thinks the new one shows a lot of maturity and might be more of my kind of thing. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:20:39 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:24:00 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Dunno. I loved the first one but was considerably less cheery about LAPALCO. Mabye the things I especially liked about the first one would put you off. Here's a conversation between me and Jeff Norman from last year that may or may not be instructive. Keep in mind that Jeff may have changed his mind over the last sixteen months (I haven't): I wonder how I missed all that the first time around. And here I was wondering if I was the only one who felt that way. I still would recommend them both. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:58:45 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Stewart Mason wrote: > NP: THE LOVE BELOW -- Andre 3000 (OutKast) This record is blowing my head off. I'm still on my first listen through, but has anyone done two better tracks, back-to-back this year than "She Lives In My Lap" and "Hey Ya"? -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:07:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! At 03:20 PM 9/24/2003 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: >I wonder how I missed all that the first time around. And here I was >wondering if I was the only one who felt that way. I think some of it may have been off-list. These things happen, y'know. >I still would recommend them both. I wouldn't, but I've been in a less-than-tolerant mood about a lot of CDs lately, particularly those from the last few years. I guess I feel like I've bought far too many underwhelming LAPALCOs since the mid-'90s, and I'm starting to think about purging them from the collection rather than hang on to them in hope that they'll reveal themselves to me one day. Probably still too much of an R.E.M. completist to ditch REVEAL, though. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Curley Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats Good luck finding the first Boomtown Rats on CD. I don't think it's ever been released in that format. The second one is available in the UK. I think the third is out of print. I'm amazed that nobody has gotten around to re-releasing their stuff. Mike Miles Goosens wrote: Also, kudos to Aaron Milenski for bringing up the Boomtown Rats' debut re: Springsteen imitations. Well-spotted. Someday I must get CDs of the first three Boomtown Rats albums, and learn how to forget the subsequent ones. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:55:39 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats I have A TONIC FOR THE TROOPS on CD, which ever number album that is, and it looks to be even still available. THE FINE ART OF SURFACING, which is arguably their masterpiece and which features their biggest hit ("I Don't Like Mondays"), is long out of print, though. I've never heard anything they've done beyond that, save "Up All Night," but the quality of the early work is something that is worthy of reissuing and remastering. Jer Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:55:54 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:50:04 -0700 (PDT), Mike Curley wrote: >Good luck finding the first Boomtown Rats on CD. I don't think it's ever been released in that format. The second one is available in the UK. I think the third is out of print. I'm amazed that nobody has gotten around to re-releasing their stuff. Last I checked on eBay (which has been awhile), The Fine Art of Surfacing was going for Lolita Nation type prices. A quick Half.com scan shows $49.95. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:22:20 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD At 03:58 PM 9/24/2003 -0400, Dave Walker wrote: >On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> NP: THE LOVE BELOW -- Andre 3000 (OutKast) > >This record is blowing my head off. I'm still on my first listen >through, but has anyone done two better tracks, back-to-back >this year than "She Lives In My Lap" and "Hey Ya"? I've actually listened to Andre's disc three or four times since yesterday afternoon, without having gotten around to Big Boi's disc yet. The obvious point of departure on OutKast's previous albums was the P-Funk family, but THE LOVE BELOW sounds like nothing so much as prime '80-'87 Prince ("Spread" actually sounds like the great lost Prince/Marvin Gaye collaboration), only even more wide-ranging in terms of its stylistic cues and anything-goes feel. I'm particularly tickled by the fact that one of my favorite tracks, "God," sounds uncannily like something R. Stevie Moore would do! "Hey Ya" is quickly moving up to "single of the year" status, it's true, but my favorite track is shaping up to be "Vibrate," with a nod to the tribute to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things." S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:23:49 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats At 01:50 PM 9/24/2003 -0700, Mike Curley wrote: >Good luck finding the first Boomtown Rats on CD. I don't think it's ever >been released in that format. The second one is available in the UK. I think >the third is out of print. I'm amazed that nobody has gotten around to >re-releasing their stuff. I knew I'd seen A TONIC FOR THE TROOPS and THE FINE ART OF SURFACING (albums 2 and 3), so I had assumed someone somewhere had done album #1 on CD. But a quick look at discographies, GEMM, and eBay confirms your impression that there's no CD of the first one. I know I've seen SURFACING in some of the used stores here for less than LOLITA NATION prices, though I don't know how long it's been since I saw one; guess I should have been picking those up and selling them on eBay! Thanks to Mike, Jer, and John Swartzentruber for the quick response. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 17:28:51 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boomtown Rats On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:23:49 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >I know I've seen SURFACING in some of the used stores here for less than LOLITA NATION prices, though I don't know how long it's been since I saw one; guess I should have been picking those up and selling them on eBay! Thanks to Mike, Jer, and John Swartzentruber for the quick response. If anyone here has SURFACING on CD and would be willing to copy it for someone who owns it on vinyl (me), let me know. I'm willing to do the same for someone who has TONIC in a non-CD format and would like the CD. But no promises on timeframe -- my CDs are still in a box from my June move. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:52:21 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Bartlett's swap-mix CD On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 04:22 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > "Hey Ya" is quickly moving up to "single of the year" status, it's > true, > but my favorite track is shaping up to be "Vibrate," with a nod to the > tribute to Coltrane's version of "My Favorite Things." The "Hey Ya" video is pretty much perfect, too, in case anyone hasn't seen it (apparently it's a staple on VH1): http://www.rollingstone.com/videos/playvideo.asp?sid=495627 -d.w. "shake it like a Polaroid picture" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:16:09 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: My...Moaning Racket? (was Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her!) Rex Broome wrote: >oddly, I seem to be the only one here with anything positive to say about >MMJ. I'll >agree that it's a shit name, and I'm not a *huge* fan or anything, but their >stuff is right up my alley, at least as of their previous album... I've not >heard the new one. > >I'd be interested in reviews of the Beulah record, too. > >-Rex, not averse to the occasional guitar space-out Oh, me either. I just thought AT DAWN was awful, and I tried to like it. Maybe it was the trying that made me edgy about them. I think that maybe if Jim James didn't work my nerves like cats courting in the moonlight I'd hear it a little differently, at least. And like I said, the buzz is going pretty strong in MMJ's favor, even if some of it's from self-serving populists. I haven't heard the new record yet either, but those who have say it's their best yet, and the folks I know who've seen 'em swear by the shows. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:23:08 +0100 From: "RichardBlatherwick" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans rescue another album I think I must be too open to outside influence in my listening choices when in lurk mode. Anyway, I dug out ONE MISSISSIPPI after being rather unimpressed when I first got it about a year ago. Needless to say that it has now been playing for about the last 3 hours and I'm a lot more favourably disposed towards it. Faves on it would be Emma J and Insects Rule - has someone made the film of this already. The connection I make in vocal tone and style, especially, is with early Built To Spill. Also, any Hoodoo Gurus fans on the list might be interested to know that they've gone back to their garagey roots and released some stuff in Aus as the Persian Rugs. www.whammo.com.au has got an interview with Brad Shepherd on their site. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Goosens" To: "quercian rosicrucian psychobabble" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tucker? Why, I hardly know her! > Betsy (good to see *you* back!) says: > >The last record I liked this much was Lapalco (I know, I'm a sap). > >Which makes me wonder: I don't have the first Brendan Benson album -- > >should I? > > Dunno. I loved the first one but was considerably less cheery about LAPALCO. Mabye the things I especially liked about the first one would put you off. Here's a conversation between me and Jeff Norman from last year that may or may not be instructive. Keep in mind that Jeff may have changed his mind over the last sixteen months (I haven't): > > Jeff: > >>> >np: Brendan Benson _Lapalco_ > > me: > >>> I wonder if I'm the only person to be vaguely disappointed with this? I > >>> don't want to blame Jason Faulkner, since I like him OK and he was also on > >>> ONE MISSISSIPPI, but LAPALCO sorely misses ONE MISSISSIPPI's whimsy and > >>> ramshackle spirit. It's a good record, but not a unique one like ONE > >>> MISSISSIPPI -- and one more like Faulkner's own catchy-but-slick solo > >>>efforts. > > Jeff: > >>You're probably not - in fact, I said something to that effect on this > >>list (I think). It's since grown on me - so maybe I'll eventually like it > >>as well - but it seems more Sloan-clever than, uh, whatever I'd > >>characterize the first one as. At this point, my problem is that it > >>doesn't have a song like "House in Virginia," nor an amusingly nasty > >>number like "Sitting Pretty," nor a less nasty but still kinda twisted > >>number like "Crosseyed" on it. > >> > >>Then, I haven't listened to it as much - but I know I miss the "Virginia" > >>effect. > > me: > >All well-put, and it's most of what I was getting at with my noises about > >whimsy and ramshackleness. ONE MISSISSIPPI is more eclectic and seems > >inspired and unique, something only this here guy could have made. LAPALCO > >is accomplished and catchy, but it could have been made by any of a dozen > >Sweethearts of Audities, y'know? > > So there ya go. Or not. > > FWIW, the only Beulah I have is THE COAST IS NEVER CLEAR, which I liked OK but not well enough to buy anything else by them, though when I said that to Grimey last week when he asked me if I had the new Beulah, he said that he thinks the new one shows a lot of maturity and might be more of my kind of thing. > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:33:33 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: loud-fans rescue another album > > Jeff: > > >>> >np: Brendan Benson _Lapalco_ > > > > [Miles]: > > >>> I wonder if I'm the only person to be vaguely disappointed with > this? > I > > >>> don't want to blame Jason Faulkner, since I like him OK and he was > also on > > >>> ONE MISSISSIPPI, but LAPALCO sorely misses ONE MISSISSIPPI's > whimsy > and > > >>> ramshackle spirit. ... > > > > Jeff: > > >>You're probably not - in fact, I said something to that effect on > this > > >>list (I think). It's since grown on me - so maybe I'll eventually > like > it > > >>as well - but it seems more Sloan-clever than, uh, whatever I'd > > >>characterize the first one as. At this point, my problem is that it > > >>doesn't have a song like "House in Virginia," nor an amusingly nasty > > >>number like "Sitting Pretty," nor a less nasty but still kinda > twisted > > >>number like "Crosseyed" on it. While I still like One Mississippi better, Lapalco has grown on me some - although I don't listen to it as often (which is to say I don't know as many songs from it). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:11:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Here comes the ...bride. This is the result of watching the California Recall debate, and 2 yummy beers on an empty stomach: If you could marry a voice, whose would it be? Present spouse or loved one does not count. I'll start. Kim Longacre (the Reivers) Gil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V3 #279 *******************************